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Session Start: Wed Sep 23 13:18:10 2009
Session Ident: #Wikipedia
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[13:18] * Topic is 'Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Status: Up | No public logging | Guidelines: http://bit.ly/OiAr | For channel operator assistance, join #wikimedia-ops or, in emergencies, type !op followed by your request'
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[13:19] <unforgettableid> Quagmire: bored?
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[13:19] <Quagmire> unforgettableid, nah
[13:20] <Quagmire> it's the bnc lol
[13:20] <unforgettableid> Quagmire: what do you mean?
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[13:22] <unforgettableid> Quagmire: why does it make you change your nick?
[13:22] <Quagmire> unforgettableid, because the config file is stupid.
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[13:43] <iDangerMouse> later
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Session Close: Wed Sep 23 14:01:02 2009
Session Start: Wed Sep 23 16:46:09 2009
Session Ident: #Wikipedia
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[16:46] * Set by PeterSymonds on Tue Sep 22 17:47:25
[16:46] #wikipedia url is http://wikipedia.org
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[16:53] -ChanServ- [#defocus] Hi all, and welcome to #defocus. Please see http://blog.freenode.net/?p=87 Please be patient and you will be voiced. Do not ask for voice, it will be given to you soon. Thanks!
Session Close: Wed Sep 23 16:53:37 2009
Session Start: Wed Sep 23 16:53:37 2009
Session Ident: #Wikipedia
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Session Start: Wed Sep 23 17:05:38 2009
Session Ident: #Wikipedia
[17:05] * Now talking in #Wikipedia
[17:05] * Topic is 'Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Status: Up | No public logging | Guidelines: http://bit.ly/OiAr | For channel operator assistance, join #wikimedia-ops or, in emergencies, type !op followed by your request'
[17:05] <eptalon> irc is sent over an unencrypted connection, in clear text.
[17:06] <netbook> it is hosted on a server not owned by wikipedia
[17:06] <netbook> operating a channel is like editing an article on wikipedia
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[17:07] <Yojojo> anyone can do it.
[17:07] <Yojojo> Shame we can't semi irc though...
[17:09] <netbook> meh it is alright
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[17:10] <Yojojo> wait a minute... We can semiprot irc... That's what +r is for...
[17:10] <Yojojo> no unregistered users in channel.
[17:10] <Yojojo> :)
[17:10] <Dendodge> but anyone can register, and there's no autoconfirmed requirement
[17:10] <SkEmO> yush
[17:11] <eptalon> +i, invite only.
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[17:11] <Dendodge> that's more full-prot
[17:11] <PeterSymonds> +r is the one that restricts unregistered users.
[17:11] <PeterSymonds> Just fyi. :P
[17:11] <Yojojo> dendodge, no, but they must confirm a valid email to keep their account.
[17:12] <Yojojo> So in a way, that is a verification process.
[17:12] <Dendodge> I guess it would people off, but I don't recommend we do it
[17:12] <eptalon> Yojojo: wpsucks.5.bigtime@spamgourmet.com?
[17:13] <Yojojo> lol
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[17:14] <eptalon> Yojojo: so you see ,thats not really a protection either.
[17:14] <Yojojo> I'm still of the frame of mind to campaign places like this not to register people with throwaway emails
[17:14] <kmccoy> Yojojo, what's a "throwaway email"?
[17:14] <Yojojo> one you can just dispose of and open another one, a freebie
[17:15] <Yojojo> Hotmail, gmail, that kind.
[17:15] <eptalon> kmccoy: an email you throw away, after printing, to make sure it is environmentally-friendly?
[17:15] <Betacommand> kmccoy: www.mailinator.com
[17:15] <kmccoy> Yojojo, so a gmail account isn't acceptable?
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[17:15] <Dendodge> I have an ntlworld, a hotmail, and a gmail—are they throwaways?
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[17:15] <kmccoy> Yojojo, I don't understand how anyone can honestly suggest to deny things like gmail or Yahoo mail accounts anymore. For some users, that may be all they have.
[17:15] <eptalon> I od have an unused yahoo, and my main email is currently gmail.
[17:15] <Yojojo> Kmccoy: i consider gmail and hotmail throwaways, where you ignore them, they disappear if you don't log in after a month....
[17:16] <Yojojo> Well not gmail,
[17:16] <Yojojo> But hotmail ones do
[17:16] <Dendodge> do they?
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[17:16] <Yojojo> If you fail to login for 30 days, they suspend and stop accepting email, and all your folders get emptied
[17:17] <eptalon> yahoo ones need to be "activated" again if you like don't log in for about half a year.
[17:17] <BrewJay> I hated it when my kitchen knives kept ending up in someone's bedroom. I did not like it when one guy used the long blade for everything.
[17:17] <Dendodge> ...
[17:17] <Dendodge> o_O
[17:17] <Yojojo> I belong to a site where you can only reg if you have a paid isp email
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[17:18] <Yojojo> Ntlworld, virginmedia.com, btinternet.com, etc
[17:18] <kmccoy> Yojojo, that's stupid.
[17:18] <Dendodge> ntlworld = virginmedia :P
[17:18] <Yojojo> dendodge, i know
[17:18] <kmccoy> Yojojo, people change ISPs, some people don't have them, some people don't use the email services provided by them.
[17:18] <Yojojo> Some people still have ntlworld.com, and not virginmedia.com though
[17:18] <Dendodge> like me, for example
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[17:19] <Betacommand> any admins want to go on a deletion spree?
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[17:22] <Jake_Wartenberg> sure
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[17:23] <Betacommand> Jake_Wartenberg: Im running the query now
[17:23] <Betacommand> Jake_Wartenberg: Ive got a large list of commons dupes, that where uploaded to commons before 08
[17:23] <Jake_Wartenberg> cool
[17:23] <Jake_Wartenberg> massdelete ok for this?
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[17:24] <Betacommand> Jake_Wartenberg: needs review
[17:24] <Jake_Wartenberg> ok
[17:24] <Betacommand> some are tagged as not to delete
[17:24] <Jake_Wartenberg> can you exclude those in the query?
[17:25] <Betacommand> Jake_Wartenberg: I havent had time to fiddle with the query yet
[17:25] <Betacommand> {{nocommons}} is on some of them
[17:25] <Jake_Wartenberg> right
[17:26] <Betacommand> which does not add any categories
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[17:26] <Jake_Wartenberg> you can grab the list of pages that template is used on, though
[17:27] <Jake_Wartenberg> that template probably should add a cat if it would make this kind of thing easier
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[17:27] <Jake_Wartenberg> should I edit it?
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[17:28] <Betacommand> Jake_Wartenberg: Im thinking of TfDing it
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[17:40] <tombom_> http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/press-releases/2009/september/california-s-real-death-panels-insurers-deny-21-of-claims.html
[17:40] <tombom_> :(
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[17:41] <AngryParsley> why is aetna so nice?
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[17:43] <tombom_> no idea
[17:43] <SkEmO> cos he/she got laid maybe
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[17:45] <tombom_> thanks for your contribution
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[17:59] <Neonexus> any experienced wikipedians about?
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[18:00] <Betacommand> Neonexus: yes, whats up?
[18:00] <Yojojo> neonexus, depends on how experienced you want us. How can we help?
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[18:01] <Neonexus> how can i reference or cite local facts?
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[18:02] <Betacommand> Neonexus: define local facts
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[18:04] <Neonexus> if there is a local building and I want to talk about it, but no other information exists about that building
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[18:06] <Dendodge> it's probably not notale, then
[18:06] <Dendodge> *notable
[18:06] <Neonexus> how do I prevent is getting "This article needs additional citations for verification." plastered all over it?
[18:06] <Neonexus> is = it
[18:07] <Dendodge> you have to find books, newspapers, or websites to prove the facts in the article
[18:08] <Neonexus> confusing
[18:09] <Neonexus> the whole idea for writing about it is to tell people about it so its not lost in time
[18:09] <Dendodge> run a Google search for the name of the building, and see what comes up
[18:13] <Neonexus> nothing
[18:17] <mavhc> no local paper? local documents?
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[18:17] <christian16> hola
[18:17] <christian16> kien coño habla español
[18:17] <mavhc> just make up citations for a lot of local stuff that noone'll ever check
[18:18] * christian16 said frikipedia rules
[18:18] <PeterSymonds> christian16, hola, try #wikipedia-es
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[18:20] <Neonexus> nope, just in local people heads
[18:20] <Neonexus> and they are getting old and dying off, losing the information
[18:20] <PeterSymonds> Neonexus, unfortunately then it won't be possible to make an article on it at the present time.
[18:21] <PeterSymonds> This is because the information can only come from non-published sources, which is original research.
[18:21] <PeterSymonds> See <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:OR> for more info.
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[18:26] <mavhc> do the research, publish it on a website, then cite it
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[18:26] <Neonexus> be better setting up my own wiki then
[18:27] <PeterSymonds> Yeah, that's one option. It'd be good to have the info recorded somewhere. :)
[18:27] <PeterSymonds> Even if we can't provide it here.
[18:27] <Neonexus> I know thought the research could help the wikipedia project instead of page stubs
[18:31] <Neonexus> may I private message you peter?
[18:31] <PeterSymonds> Sure.
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[18:36] <KerliQ> (o: Hellos :o)
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[18:42] <geniice> The National Secular Society said it was planning demonstrations against the visit in protest at what it called Pope Benedict's "intransigence and fundamentalism".
[18:42] <geniice> he's the pope. That's pretty much his job description
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[18:44] <mavhc> well, last pope was better
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[18:46] <geniice> not really
[18:46] <KerliQ> looks like OlEnglish is going to get Administrator http://is.gd/3APyy
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[18:48] <mavhc> he did say evolution was real
[18:49] <geniice> so has the current one
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[18:57] <denelson83> Amber Alert in south Texas
[18:57] <Cyrius> so?
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[19:01] <denelson83> You're not in south Texas
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[19:03] -> *cary* btw are you gonna get married in canada :P
[19:04] <denelson83> You're in Beaumont
[19:05] <denelson83> near Houston
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[19:07] <kmccoy> omgouting
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[19:23] <Lindberg47> "I have understanding for mistakes happend." How can I say that in a better way?
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[19:28] <Lindberg47> can you say this: "I understand that mistakes happen. But it is always troubeling to recieve the wrong product."?
[19:29] <denelson83> Well thank you very much Mr. Gigo
[19:29] <Lindberg47> is that correct English?
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[19:41] <Chzz> Lindberg47 Two spelling errors; "troubling" and "receive"
[19:42] <Lindberg47> yes i saw that, but otherwise?
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[19:57] <BrewJay> mavhc: Regarding publishing your own research on a website, then citing it on wikipedia, that is under "Avoid Self-Reference". It is okay to write it up on a website, though.
[19:59] <BrewJay> Lindberg47: I.h.u.f.m.h I tolerate mistakes.
[20:03] <Alkivar> holy fuck... as if the bugatti veyron wasnt expensive enough... Mansory has gone and made one entirely out of carbon fiber
[20:03] <BrewJay> After you do research and write it up neatly, then a local paper might edit it, publish it, get feedback, find you notable events in building that you did not know about.
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[20:04] <mavhc> find a friend to write the wp article then
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[20:06] <Sky2042_afk> mavhc: You may wish to view en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:COI
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[20:09] <Mparu> Is there any icelandic speaker?
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[20:11] <Mparu> Nobody?
[20:13] <Mparu> Is there any speaker of one of theese languages: Bulgarian, Greek, Albanian, Czech, Slovak, Irish, Welsh.
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[20:16] <BrewJay> Vejetarians eat only vejtablz. Is Jeffrey Dahmer a humanitarian?
[20:17] <Cyrius> no, because he's dead
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[20:28] <Lindberg47> BrewJay: I.h.u.f.m.h ?
[20:31] <BrewJay> "I have understanding for mistakes happened." I tolerate mistakes.
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[20:36] <BrewJay> The cops who did not check into Dahmer's probation status at the time of a kidnapping were promoted.
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[22:27] <gwern> Cyrius: that was great as well
[22:28] <gwern> I also like the Defenestrations of Prague
[22:28] <KerliQ> brb, I have to restart my browser, new add-on :P http://is.gd/3Cegq
[22:28] <Cyrius> I was betting on you having made that one up
[22:29] <gwern> you should know I never lie! except when I do
[22:29] <Cyrius> so all your stories are true?
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[22:29] <gwern> Cyrius: sure. except the one about the noodle incident
[22:29] <Cyrius> even the lies?
[22:30] <gwern> all lies. no trutheller I, bah, I derive my truthtelling abilities! I cannot handle the truth!
[22:30] <gwern> *deride
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[22:32] <quanticle> There was more than one Defenstration of Prague? I only know about the one that started the 30 years war.
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[22:33] <Chzz> quanticle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague
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[22:35] <quanticle> "Philip Fabricius was later ennobled by the emperor and granted the title von Hohenfall (lit. meaning "of Highfall")." <-- I think the Holy Roman Emperor was having a royal joke with that one.
[22:35] <gwern> quanticle: no doubt the courtiers collectively wet themselves in joy at never lacking for jokes when Fabricius was around
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[22:37] <KerliQ> I'm back
[22:37] <KerliQ> that add-on is fantastic!
[22:37] <gwern> I've never understood peoples' fascination with URL shortening
[22:38] <KerliQ> you just go to the page, click the button and automatically creates it and copies it to your clipboard
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[22:40] <Ceiling_Cat> [[List of works by Thomas Eakins]] <--- 114 pages and counting
[22:40] <Ceiling_Cat> in a year, that is going to be the longest article on Wikipedia
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[22:42] <OverlordQ> tldr
[22:42] <Ceiling_Cat> OverlordQ - clicky the link. It's mostly pixxx
[22:42] <Ceiling_Cat> including some nekkid ppl
[22:43] <OverlordQ> too took long to load for such a low nudie pic ratio
[22:43] <OverlordQ> *took too
[22:43] <gwern> huh. with some reasonable assumptions, it would take approximately 50 hours to consume the majority of _Oh My Goddess!_
[22:43] <gwern> that's more than a working week
[22:43] <KerliQ> so you don't shorten URLs?
[22:44] <Ceiling_Cat> (on snap, it's a 4 meg download to get that page)
[22:44] <Ceiling_Cat> KerliQ - no, Wikipedia uses only canonical URLs
[22:44] <gwern> KerliQ: no. why would I?
[22:45] <KerliQ> In URL, ? = %3F%0A + = %2B%0A%0A
[22:46] <KerliQ> and what if you want to link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Day_of_the_Dawn_of_the_Son_of_the_Bride_of_the_Return_of_the_Revenge_of_the_Terror_of_the_Attack_of_the_Evil,_Mutant,_Alien,_Flesh_Eating,_Hellbound,_Zombified_Living_Dead_Part_2:_In_Shocking_2-D
[22:46] <Ceiling_Cat> worked for me
[22:46] <Ceiling_Cat> if you don't like long URLs, don't go to articles with long titles
[22:47] <Ceiling_Cat> or use copy-paste :)
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[22:47] <KerliQ> Instead of that long post I could have just clicked the button and then I have http://is.gd/3CgnE
[22:47] <gwern> KerliQ: I would use the long URL because that's part of the humor of that link
[22:47] <Ceiling_Cat> KerliQ - and what happpens with is.gd ceases to exist?
[22:47] <Ceiling_Cat> all your shortened URL links break
[22:47] <Ceiling_Cat> you have introduced a new point of failure
[22:48] <Cyrius> well
[22:48] <Cyrius> long-term availability isn't that big an issue on IRC
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[22:48] <KerliQ> http://bit.ly won't
[22:49] <KerliQ> and what about part 3? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Day_of_the_Dawn_of_the_Son_of_the_Bride_of_the_Return_of_the_Revenge_of_the_Terror_of_the_Attack_of_the_Evil,_Mutant,_Hellbound,_Flesh-Eating_Subhumanoid_Zombified_Living_Dead,_Part_3
[22:49] <gwern> 0.99 * 0.99 < 0.99...
[22:49] <gwern> KerliQ: or you could link a redirect
[22:49] <gwern> nearly as reliable as direct linking
[22:49] <gwern> more informative
[22:50] <gwern> not dependent on mayflies
[22:50] <Gracenotes> gwern: formal proof nao :o
[22:50] <gwern> Gracenotes: I WILL OFFER YOU A CONSTRUCTIVE PROOF! come with me to #haskell!
[22:50] <KerliQ> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NOTDOT
[22:50] <Gracenotes> :O
[22:51] <Gracenotes> I think it could be done with the basic rules of real arithmetic. maybe transitivity, too
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[22:51] <gwern> Gracenotes: screw your existence proofs, I demand constructions!
[22:52] <Gracenotes> I shall prove that they are equivalent
[22:52] <gwern> using - SCIENCE! ?
[22:53] <Gracenotes> proof by threat of nuclear holocaust
[22:53] <gwern> ah, argumentum ad verecundiam. excellent choice sir
[22:55] <Gracenotes> reductio ad mad
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Session Close: Wed Sep 23 23:01:21 2009Above: A podcast on how badly screwed the United Kingdom is from a political/Big Tech perspective. Trashfuture overlaps with other podcasts Well There's Your Problem and Kill James Bond! thanks to co-host November (formerly Alice) Caldwell-Kelly.
