Friday, July 9, 2021

Our Snarky Commentary on Recent Wikipedia News

Actual things have been going on in WikiLand this year and before it all gets too dated, we have to say something about these items.

María Sefidari Huici quits being WMF Chairperson, becomes a WMF "consultant"

We are going to be brutally honest - before we read about her quitting, we did not know who was Wikimedia Foundation Chair. Sefidari Huici was Chairperson for eight years, which is one year longer than this blog has been running, and I have not heard a peep about her or how she has been operating the Wikimedia Foundation. She resigned on the 3rd of June with the following email:

Dear All, There is one last bit of news I would like to share following the Board meeting update. After ~ 8 years on the Board of Trustees at the Wikimedia Foundation - a long time! - I have notified the Board that I am stepping down as Chair and trustee, effective end of day today. As all of you know, the community-selected seats were due to expire last year and were extended at the request of the Board to see through these difficult and unprecedented times. Now, after chairing the last meeting of the fiscal year and having the call for candidates for the upcoming elections approved, it is the least disruptive moment for me to step down. The Foundation has asked me to consider an advisory role to support Movement Strategy and the onboarding of new trustees and the new CEO/ED, to help support leadership and this strategic transition. Nataliia Tymkiv, currently Vice Chair, will act as Chair until a new one is elected by the Board ensuring continuity. Hopefully this news will not come as too much of a surprise. I am grateful to the community members who lent me their trust and support to become a trustee on two different occasions, to the staff, and to the trustees for their confidence in me in the different leadership positions I have held within the Board - first as committee chair, then two terms as Vice Chair, and two terms as Chair. Together we have accomplished many things during this time, but if I had to single out only a few they would be the following: launching the Movement Strategy process, engaging in the most ambitious governance reform in the history of the Board, and working to ensure the stability and sustainability of the Foundation. It has been a time of change, of discussing strategy and our future, and deciding together what the path forward should be. Of course, the work is never finished - it will be the task of the Board to continue what has been done and face the newer and complex challenges that will no doubt arise. I hope that we will see many of the women of the movement and people from the Global South as candidates in the upcoming community elections - I know there are many qualified people ready to step into these important roles. I look forward to supporting an increasingly capable and diverse Board. Be safe and well everyone. Tupananchiskama, [This is a Quechua farewell meaning "till we meet again" - S.] María -- María Sefidari Huici Chair of the Board Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>


Then twenty days later she was hired to "consult with the Foundation on Movement Strategy and the ongoing Board evolution for the upcoming year" and the uproar was something.


Hello, all. :) I hope and trust that everyone is keeping well during these times! I’m Maggie Dennis, Vice President of the Community Resilience & Sustainability group of Wikimedia Foundation, within the Legal department. I wanted to announce with pleasure that Maria Sefidari has agreed to consult with the Foundation on Movement Strategy and the ongoing Board evolution for the upcoming year. Many of us know María from her role as the chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees, from which she provided invaluable leadership in governance, oversight, and fundraising. Others may know her from her volunteer work as User:Raystorm <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Raystorm>, in which she has a broad range of experience. María, based in Spain, commenced her assignment with the Foundation this week. We intend to tap into her expertise and knowledge of the Foundation to support a successful implementation of the Movement’s Strategy and to tap into new opportunities. (With her Board work, she will be supporting Quim Gil’s team with the Board election and helping Margo Lee in improving onboarding, documentation practices, and training.) María will report to me as part of our Community Resilience & Sustainability group. I’m excited that she accepted our offer for a more hands-on assignment, particularly given how important all of the work she’ll be supporting is. :) With more than 15 years of Wikimedia experience, her contributions in the next phase will be a tremendous benefit to me and my team as we continue settling into our own work on Movement Strategy. Those of you who are involved with Movement Strategy are used to seeing her at related meetings and still will. :) I anticipate María will be joining one or more of the Movement Strategy global conversations <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Updates/June_15,_2021> this weekend. Advertisement alert: maybe you can, too? Here’s more detail <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Strategy/Updates/June_15,_2021>! I myself will be attending at least one of those sessions and look forward to seeing some of you there. Warm regards, Maggie -- Maggie Dennis She/her/hers Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.


And it went on like that from there with Kolbe keeping up the pressure.





We could go on, but the link is out there to see all the 67 or so responses. Other people of note in the list: Fae, Risker, Erik "flee children, he's coming!" Moeller, Dan "I predict baseball games with math" Szymborski, Amanda Keaton (the WMF legal person), Pavel Richter, and Andy Mabbett. The GenderDesk
blog thinks she will be paid, but we assume the drama will continue somehow because that is The Wikipedia Way™.


                      Sefidari Huici at WikiWomen Camp in 2017. Image stolen from Wikipedia (natch.)


The April WMF mailing list switchover 

For those on the WMF email list (not us), the entire system vanished in mid-April then returned on April 28th (a date with historical undertones)  because updates time! I suppose. Amir Sarabadani sent out the message that the "Mailman 3" software was open for general use and that the archives were being converted over. No response from the users. We heard rumors that people were unhappy.

Freenode gets sold off

Freenode ran the Internet Relay Chat servers favored by Wikipedia insiders, this thread at the Wikipedia Sucks! forum goes into some details while this old Wikipediocracy thread from 2013 runs through more of it. Eric Barbour "spilled the beans" then:

Damn right. The real nastiness happens on #wikipedia-en.admins.
Epic, unbelievably stupid battles happen there, as with any noticeboard. Used to be a lot of Giano and Malleus abuse.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/wiki ... /User_list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... in_channel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: ... s%27_Abuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ration/IRC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... C_channels

And that's not all, folks!
Other "secret" English Wikipedia IRC channels include:

#wikimedia-checkuser
#wikipedia-en-checkuser-clerks
#wikipedia-mediation
#wikipedia-en-unblock
#wikipedia-en-accounts
#wikipedia-medcab
#countervandalism, used by the highly secretive "Countervandalism Unit". They also have a private wiki.
#wikimedia-otrs-watch

Plus, nutcases open private channels routinely to discuss harassing/blocking someone they don't like. No one on WP will ever discuss any of that.

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Saturday, June 12, 2021

Not-Wikipedia: Reddit's Forbidden Words

Before I begin I have to admit that I've been running a "subreddit" (Reddit forum) with Eric Barbour, RedditCritiques, which is the running tally of all the dumb crap that goes on within that website. Well, it turns out the 'bots running around the website will "shadowban" comments (i.e., make the comments readable only to the comment maker) just as they shadowban users. Here is a short list of things that have gotten comments blanked by machine or a combination of machine and administrator (the actual employees of Reddit, users can do unpaid moderation; we aren't talking about how mods delete comments for slurs.)


thedonald.win or patriots.win: This is where the denizens of r/The_Donald, the ultra-pro-Trump subreddit went right before the June 2020 "Ban Wave" that zapped it and r/ChapoTrapHouse and 2000 other subreddits off the site. They have made it impossible to have a subreddit for Chapo Trap House (a comedic but highly critical Left-wing podcast) in any form, but the r/DonaldTrump subreddit still exists as a "private" subreddit that is probably moribund. So the Trumpateers made their own freestanding subreddit on thedonald.win (.win being a domain for gambling websites; The_Donald users often used the term "winning") and that switched to patriots.win after Trump lost, but they are still acting like Trump has any say on anything beyond the bulk of Republican members of Congress (he has no Twitter outlet anymore, his blog collapsed in a month). An example of comment blanking of patriots.win:



Aimee Knight, Aimee Challenor: In March of this year, Reddit hired Aimee Knight, the British transgender former Green Party candidate and ex-Liberal Democrat member as an administrator (they had been a mod at r/RPAN, the live video streaming subreddit). American Redditors quickly discovered that their father David Challenor had been convicted in 2016 of raping and torturing a girl while also running Aimee's political campaign. Then it turned out their fiance (now husband) admitted on Twitter to having pedophilc desires (that account was suspended.) Within hours it turned into a free-for-all and comments and people were getting banned for mentioning either name, subreddits went dark in protest, etc. It was all over by April; Knight was no longer an employee. Not even remaining founder Steve Huffman (u/spez) wanted to write the name Aimee Knight in the announcement that the drama was done. 


Graham Linehan, "Glinner":  Related with the Aimee Knight drama; Graham Linehan, Irish television writer (Father Ted, The IT Crowd) and now anti-trans activist has a Substack "email newsletter" with multiple posts on the Aimee Knight issue. Eric Barbour attempted to post links to two of these articles at r/RedditCritiques and the post was removed, which is from a subreddit he moderates. No reasons were given. On Substack itself Rick Paulas wrote critically about Linehan's British tabloid-style way of discussing/depicting transgendered people, and Ashley Fineberg wrote about Linehan when she started her Substack Trashberg. Below is proof of the Reddit posting.


***

If you go looking, there are endless demands from Redditors for "Shadowban Word or Phrases Lists" for various subreddits; it's been a major obsession for years judging by the number of responses to this query....if we cut out all the ones about the Trump-era CDC having a "banned words list." Reddit now has user-created scripts like u/RemovedCommentsBot that will confirm if you have been shadowbanned and what comments of yours have been blanked or removed. We have come very far from where the website was at even seven years ago. 






Monday, May 31, 2021

Quasi-Wikipedia: Ralph Gordon Stair has Died, Blowing a Hole in Domestic Shortwave Radio

Noted rambly coot and "Last Day Prophet of God" Ralph Gordon Stair died at the beginning of April. For those blessedly ignorant, "Brother Stair" (b. 1933) had been running a compound ("The Overcomers Ministry") down in Canadys, South Carolina since 1978, when the proto-compoundees were living out of a purchased hotel in Walterboro, SC; sometime in the early 1980s they moved to their compound space ten miles away, off the two-lane Augusta Highway, on a plot of land that is shielded from roadside view by tall trees. All the money is held collectively and all the men work on a farm plot behind the compound (the women do traditional "women's work") and like most of the religious cults in America, there have been repeated accusations of sexual abuse by female ex-members towards R.G. Stair, and he was arrested in 2017 over those. Stair was going to go to trial over the accusations when he died either on April 3rd or 4th. Ralph Stair was no product of the counterculture; he claimed to have started preaching before the age of 20 (i.e., right after World War II), was ordained a Methodist minister, then dropped organized religion, and moved to the South in the 1950s because he thought it was the best place for Christians to survive the "end times." The Southern Poverty Law Center labeled Stair a homophobe when he was arrested in 2017. I can find little information online of his time between the 1950s and the late 1970s (allegedly he was kicked out a preaching job or two for sexual issues), but by the 1980s he was on the air, and that's where my interest lies.

The Overcomers Ministry has grown from buying airtime on local AM or FM radio stations to owning the former Radio Bulgaria shortwave transmitter, buying huge chunks of time on World Wide Christian Radio (their fourth transmitter only runs Stair), Radio Miami International (WRMI), and Alan Weiner's WBCQ which are all multi-kilowatt shortwave radio stations. Besides the shortwave stations and a smattering of AM/FM stations, they stream online, do satellite TV, and even have a phone number you can call to listen to Stair. Stair had been making endless predictions of earth-shattering things going on for 35+ years, and none of them have come true except posssibly for his last prediction, which was that Christ would return before November of this year, which means that the Overcomers have paid up to October....what happens after that is unknown. Sometime in the last couple of months WINB (a private religious shortwave station that has been around since the early 1960s) dumped Stair, but the records are still there on the short-wave.info site. Personally it's been bizarre listening to 49 meters (5900 kHz to 6200 kHz) and hearing Star competing against himself on WWCR and WRMI, many times with the same recording! It's odder still when you realize that Stair is on the same shortwave outlet as Dr. Gene Scott and so it's two dead guys ranting about God, and WWCR has granted them separate transmitters to ramble on. There needs to be a documentary made on Stair and his chokehold on American shortwave and his crazy compound and how he got away with it. Finally, Wikipedia was dead wrong about who was broadcasting R.G. Stair after 2018; except for WINB, all of his old affiliates kept playing those CDs.



Above: Allan Weiner and his wife Angela announcing the death of Stair. Back in 2017 Weiner defended Stair on his Allan Weiner Worldwide show after Stair was arrested.



Above: This bizarre recording allegedly went out over the air on October 27, 2018; Stair is yelling at "Sister Andrea" and she brings up the women he assaulted and it gets worse. He seemed to be kicking people out during the last three years, he tells her to leave.



Above: Off-air recording from WRMI on Christmas Day in 2016. WRMI no longer transmits on that frequency. Stair ranting about Trump, Christmas, etc.



Above: Raw footage of Stair's 2002 arrest for sex charges. He served 77 days and that was it. The MicroCults YouTube channel has a number of Stair videos, including some badly-transferred footage of local TV news stations from 1988 reporting how people from as far away as Pennsylvania were dropping out of their lives to go to Stair's compound; the Overcomers were working with Anthony Marcolongo's "Church of Our First Love" to collect them in Philadelphia and shuttle them to South Carolina. Marcolongo's church collapsed in the early 1990s and he died in a car crash in 1992.

Raw short clips of Stair ranting about WBCQ running a rock show (Rabishu Xul?) right after his, exiling members off the compound, a teenaged girl describing Stair repeatedly molesting her: Brother Stair Watch on Soundcloud. No dates as to when they were recorded, but it's all very crisp.

For those asking "where did the money come from for all the airtime?", we don't know. Rapper Craig Mack was only involved with the church commune from 2012 to his death from heart failure in 2018.





Thursday, April 8, 2021

It's Finally Beginning to Sink In: "Wikipedia's Deep Ties to Big Tech" by Michael Olenick

 Found this on Naked Capitalism, with an introduction by Yves Smith, here is a link to the original article at the Institute for New Economic Thinking website. Olenick talks about the Tides Foundation and the WikiMedia Foundation's ties to that and to Google's shuttered Google.org, plus how wealthy the organization really is, the interconnection between Craig Minassian (Minassian Media Inc.) and his two employees Jose Oliver and Dasha Burns with the WMF and the Clinton Foundation, and other oddities and conflicts of interest. "Wikipedia's Deep Ties to Big Tech" is an sequel to a January article "Wikipedia: The Overlooked Monopoly" which goes into gory detail about the websites endless use of unpaid labor, the culture of deletionists, and other Wikidiocy. Deep in the comments to the "Monopoly" article, we get some of this weird fanboyism:


johnson

It seems like you don’t really understand what the phrase “ad hominem” means. It does not mean “someone said something I don’t like.”

Ad hominem takes the form of “this person has these bad personal traits; therefore their arguments are wrong.” This editor you take such offense to wrote nothing about you as a person and therefore did not engage in ad hominem. They justified their deletion of your edits by pointing out that the source is unreliable, which it is, because it’s a wiki. Wikis are defined in Wikipedia’s rules as unreliable sources because anyone can edit them. As such, Tim1965’s deletion was correct and his justification sound. Would you like to see an example of an actual ad hominem fallacy?

This guy lives in a basement and doesn’t get paid for his work. Therefore, his work is wrong.

You are the only person engaging in ad hominem in this dispute. You very clearly broke the rules of Wikipedia and, bizarrely, took the totally-correct enforcement of those rules as some sort of personal slight.

  1. Yves Smith

    Your comment is what Lambert calls a reader assisted suicide note, which we are only too happy to oblige. You have violated basic rules of argument, as well as made a personal attack on a post author. Each individually is grounds for blacklisting. Three together is a no-brainer.

    First, you are Making Shit Up with your definition of ad hominem. It is any form of attack on the author of an argument, not just ones based on personal character. “He was posting something from his own article” is a fit. Nowhere did you or Tim1965 contend that Olenick was factually in error.

    Second, you straw manned. Olenick’s argument that Wikipedia’s policies, including its policy on not allowing authors to provide links to their own text, is evidence of its monopolistic approach. If someone is a Noble Prize winner, or a Pulitzer Prize winner, they can’t point to their own work? The Columpbia Journalism Review pointed out years ago that the distinction between the MSM and blogs was increasingly spurious, since columnists and even journalists increasingly had blogs, some under the sponsorship of the publication, yet not subject to review. Similarly, Naked Capitalism has been regularly cited and re-reported in the MSM, and we are regularly invited to apply for journalism awards, yet according to Wikipedia, we are “user generated content”. Wikipedia would not credit us for breaking important stories, like the ones that got three separate government officials fired.

    I have authors regularly send me links to their stories, including blog posts. Sometimes I publish them. Sometimes I don’t. Wikipedia with its zillons of editors is saying it isn’t capable of making similar determinations? This stupid policy supports Olenick’s claims that the intent is preserving Wikipedia’s information monopoly, and not stopping experts from engaging in self-promotion.

    Third, as previously stated, your personal attack it totally out of line.

    Goodbye.

  2. flora

    You very clearly broke the rules of Wikipedia and,….

    ( Catches breath after laughing, since the entire point is that the wiki argument from authority is a claim based on its questionably interested “authority” )… ohh kaay.

  3. Michael Olenick

    Yves answered this one. Tim’s attack was ad hominem, attacking a website I work on with no investigation. Still, that’s besides the point.

    As stated many times, these Wikipedia “rules” – which are sloppy at best – exist to preserve a monopoly. That is the point.

    I don’t care about the edits or, for that matter, Tim1965 and his ilk except to the extent they pollute public discourse, which they do.

    I do care about diversity of thought, opinion, bullying, and monopolies – especially of information or news. And Wikipedia is certainly a monopoly. Like most monopolies, there are often positive benefits — Google is outright magical — but it’s still a monopoly.



                                            Google Images seems to be onto Wales' little scheme....


Wednesday, March 24, 2021

More Random Wikipedia-en IRC BS: "Bullzeye" plays Collegic Billy Badass As "Ironholds" Looks On, 2009

Just to be annoying, here is some more IRC nonsense before the month runs out.

Session Start: Thu Mar 05 17:42:55 2009 

Session Ident: #Wikipedia-en

�03[17:42] * Now talking in #Wikipedia-en
�03[17:42] * Topic is 'Discussion of the English Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up | 
No public logging | Guidelines: http://bit.ly/OiAr | Offtopic chatter to #wikipedia-social | 
For operator assistance, type !op or join #wikimedia-ops | 
For urgent admin help, type !admin followed by your request�'
�03[17:42] * Set by MrZ-man on Sat Feb 28 00:05:03
[17:42] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
[17:43] <Narson> I think its a german show
[17:43] <Narson> Der Spiegel claim it
[17:43] <Gracenotes> does anyone here call the letter z 'Zed'?
[17:44] <Gracenotes> I've never heard of it before, but apparently it's common outside of US
[17:44] <Ged_UK> yes,
[17:44] <Ged_UK> it's how it's supposed to be pronounced :p
[17:44] <iMatthew> no it's not...
[17:44] <Gracenotes> pshaw.
[17:44] <Gracenotes> :)
[17:44] <Ged_UK> It's the standard UK pronounciation
[17:44] <iMatthew> abcdefghijklmonpqrstuvwxy zed?
[17:45] <Ged_UK> that's it
[17:45] <Gracenotes> all those poor students going to schools and being taught to pronounce z "zed"... 
it's a pity!
[17:45] <Gracenotes> :P
[17:45] <iMatthew> indeed
�06[17:45] * iMatthew picks up a very large trout and slaps UnitedKingdom around a bit with it
[17:45] <Narson> Must remember to ask that holocaust chap about this
[17:45] <Ged_UK> what holocaust chap?
�15[17:46] * Elyne (i=Elyne@unaffiliated/elyne) Quit ("I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. 
I suspect people of plotting to make me happy.~~     J. D. Salinger"�)
[17:46] <Narson> HMatthews or somesuch?
[17:47] <Narson> Amazon for the win
[17:47] <Narson> They credit Third Reich in Colour to Antonesco, Churchill, Bormann and Braun
[17:47] <Narson> Antonescu even.
�15[17:48] * J_Milburn (n=chatzill@wikipedia/j-milburn) Quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]"�)
[17:49] <Narson> This is slightly annoying
[17:49] <Narson> I know this series exists.
[17:50] <Narson> I'm watching it right now, but, there is so little online
�03[17:50] * werdan7 (i=werdan7@freenode/staff/wikimedia.werdan7) has joined #wikipedia-en
�03[17:51] * JD|food is now known as jdelanoy
[17:53] <Ged_UK> it's always annoying when that happens.
�08[17:53] * Cream huggles Narson tightly.
[17:54] <Narson> Heya Cream.
[17:54] <Narson> How be?
�08[17:54] <Cream> great :)
�08[17:54] <Cream> Eating supper atm :)
�15[17:54] * DerHexer (n=DerHexer@wikimedia/DerHexer) Quit ("Verlassend"�)
�08[17:55] <Cream> chicken breasts with pesto sauce.
�03[17:56] * jdelanoy is now known as JD|AFK
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[17:57] <Ged_UK> right, i'm off
[17:57] <Ged_UK> night all
�08[17:57] <Cream> ni ni Ged_UK <3
�08[17:57] <Cream> sleep tight...
�08[17:57] <Cream> *kisses*
[17:58] <Neurolysis> Anyone else having issues with enwp? I can't access any pages 
(with any action parameter), slow as hell to the point of mostly timeouts.
�15[17:58] * Ged_UK (n=Ged@geduk.plus.com) Quit
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�03[18:00] * j is now known as Maximr
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[18:02] <JD|AFK> Neurolysis: no problems here
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�08[18:07] Clones detected from wikipedia/j.delanoy:�8 JD|AFK jdelanoy_
[18:07] <Steve-Crossin> I'm kinda feeling, like, cant be bothered with wiki, anymore. thats bad, aint it
[18:08] <thedj> course not.
[18:09] <thedj> "people move on"
[18:09] <thedj> that's only healthy.
�03[18:09] * Willking1979 (n=williamc@dynamic-208-4-250-178.tvscable.com) has joined #wikipedia-en
[18:09] <Steve-Crossin> idk
[18:10] <Reedy> Awww, im making nazi style edits by following style guidelines
�03[18:10] * Yamakiri|food is now known as Yamakiri
�06[18:10] * Syn|busy bans Reedy
[18:10] <Reedy> I'll just unblock myself
�06[18:10] * Syn|busy contacts a stew
[18:11] <Syn|busy> enforcebanplskthnxbai
[18:11] <Syn|busy> how did that article turn out?
[18:11] <Syn|busy> the one in your userspace?
[18:11] <Reedy> who/which/what/eh?
[18:11] <Syn|busy> last time we spoke, it was over an article
[18:11] <Reedy> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Edgar_(playwright)&action=history - lol
[18:12] <Syn|busy> :o
�15[18:12] * Narson (n=Blah@wikipedia/Narson) Quit
[18:12] <Reedy> Ohhh
[18:12] <Reedy> That, its in mainspace, no challenges, apart from someone adding default sort, and a bot tag update, no other edits to it
[18:12] <Syn|busy> cool
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[18:13] <Patton123> can I get someone to informally help resolve a dispute?
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Head over to http://scriptwiki.net!"�)
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[18:28] <iMatthew> chain broken
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[18:33] <Steve-Crossin> er, hi
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[18:41] <Majorly> Ryanposs: do you ever want to get a job?
[18:42] <Ryanposs> Majorly: hehe, nope :-)
[18:42] <Majorly> yay for manchester uni
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[18:45] <Majorly> Ryanposs: so basically you'll be a qualified doctor/lawyer?
�08[18:45] <Cream> Majorly!!!!
[18:45] <Ryanposs> I've got a degree in pharmacology, a masters in biomedical and forensic science 
and I'll have a degree in law
[18:45] <Ryanposs> I want to be a human rights lawyer now
�08[18:46] <Cream> Hey Ryanposs <3
[18:46] <Ryanposs> Hey Cream
[18:46] <Majorly> you should become a neurosurgeon
[18:46] <Majorly> and you should start your own business
[18:46] <Neurolysis> Majorly: ping :(
�08[18:46] <Cream> Majorly hi.
[18:46] <Neurolysis> haet @ u
[18:47] <Majorly> Neurolysis: ?
[18:47] <Neurolysis> Majorly: 23:48 < Majorly> you should become a neurosurgeon
[18:47] <Neurolysis> :(
[18:47] <Majorly> ?
�08[18:47] <Cream> stop looking at breasts.
[18:47] <Neurolysis> Majorly: ...
[18:47] <Syn|busy> O.O
�08[18:47] <Cream> Syn|busy is breasts a word that pings you?
�06[18:48] * Majorly is going to be doing some actual real teaching next week O_O
�08[18:48] <Cream> I hope you go batshit insane :D
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[18:49] <Syn|busy> huh?
[18:49] <Syn|busy> no
[18:49] <Syn|busy> i was already reading
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�08[19:42] <Cream> wow
�08[19:42] <Cream> been almost a hour
�08[19:42] <Cream> not a single chatter or talk...
[19:42] <[Soap]> Im working in Visual Basic
�08[19:42] <Cream> fun.
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[19:51] <Bullzeye> chatter
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[19:51] <Bullzeye> talk
�08[19:51] <Cream> *chitter*
[19:52] <Bullzeye> Why hello there, Cream. How are you today?
�08[19:52] <Cream> good you?
[19:52] <Mifter> Hey cream :)
�08[19:52] <Cream> Mifter :)
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�08[19:53] <Cream> How are you too  Bullzeye?
�08[19:53] * Cream jumps up and sits on Ironholds's lap.
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[19:53] <Mifter> lol
[19:54] <Bullzeye> Cream: I'm good. Having a bloody mary and trying to calm down.
[19:54] <Ironholds> ..do I have to pay for this like all the other lap-dances?
[19:54] <Ironholds> Or are you a cheap whore.
[19:54] <Ironholds> Bullzeye: whats wrong?
[19:54] <Ladonna> lolmary.
[19:54] <Bullzeye> I almost punched somebody out in college class today.
[19:54] <DanielB> lol
[19:54] <Ironholds> I have done that twice.
�08[19:54] <Cream> lol
[19:54] <Ironholds> Punched out, not almost punched out.
[19:55] <Bullzeye> I'll set the stage for you
[19:55] <Ironholds> luckily my school didn't transfer any records to the uni, so..
�08[19:55] <Cream> Ironholds, i'm cheap, 10$
[19:55] <Bullzeye> Girl in front row of class, next to me.
[19:55] <Ironholds> Mm.
[19:55] <Mifter> cream: lol it should be $10 not 10$
�08[19:56] <Cream> lol
[19:56] <Bullzeye> No book. Professor asks "Where is your book? I told you to bring it yesterday." She says, snottily, "You see I don't got it. Whaddya want me to do?"
[19:56] <Bullzeye> Professor frowns and looks at shoes.
[19:56] <Bullzeye> Girl pulls out Sidekick and commences texting. Above desk, for the entire class.
[19:56] <Ironholds> The correct response should not have been to punch her lights out.
[19:56] <Bullzeye> At the end of class, professor is getting ready to cut the class loose.
[19:57] <Bullzeye> I stop him briefly and ask whether he wants our midterm paper in MLA or Chicago citation style.
[19:57] <Ironholds> Yup.
[19:57] <Bullzeye> Girl gets mad, throws her hands up, says "Oh my fuckin' god...."
[19:57] <Bullzeye> I say "Is there a problem?"
[19:57] <Bullzeye> She says "Sit the hell down, white boy."
[19:57] <MindstormsKid> O_o
[19:57] <Bullzeye> I SHOUT at the top of my lungs
[19:57] <Mifter> O_O
[19:57] <Steve-Crossin> obai
[19:57] <Bullzeye> "This is not the FUCKING Bronx, and you are fucking with the WRONG bull."
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[19:57] <Mifter> lol cya steve :)
[19:58] <Ironholds> Hahaha.
�08[19:58] <Cream> lol!
[19:58] <Bullzeye> The shocked silence in that classroom was epic.
[19:58] <Mifter> lol
[19:58] <Ironholds> I would have done something different, but I admire the effort.
[19:58] <Mifter> so what happened next :P
�06[19:58] * MindstormsKid would have cheered Bullzeye on
[19:58] <Ironholds> You should however have instead taken your pen, punched a hole in her windpipe and looked on as her attempts to wave for help got increasingly feeble.
�06[19:58] * Mifter has his popcorn out and is listening intently :P
[19:58] <Prodego> :/
[19:59] <Ironholds> ..too much? :P.
[19:59] <Bullzeye> College kids are, by and large, scum. They were all shocked.
[19:59] <Mifter> lol I'm joking :P
[19:59] <Mifter> I'm no advocate of violence
[19:59] <Ironholds> Bullzeye: as a university student I agree with you like, totally, dude.
[19:59] <Ironholds> We have the biggest fuckwads at my uni.
[19:59] <Prodego> How about you just wait until she gets a 0 on the course and wastes x hundreds of dollars having taken it
[19:59] <p858snake> Mifter: pfft there are people that deserve it
[20:00] <MindstormsKid> WHAT NEXT??
[20:00] <Mifter> yes, but if anyone could attack anyone for any reason then nothing would ever get done :P
[20:00] <Bullzeye> Prodego: No joke. That's my only solace. U-Albany boasts an impressive 40% graduation rate.
[20:00] <Ironholds> Example conversation at my uni: "Have you done the contract assignment?" 
"no, I got an extension until friday" "oh, so when are you working on it?" "probably thursday evening"
[20:00] <Ironholds> Its like WHAT THE FUCK.
[20:00] <Ironholds> I've never needed an extension in two fricking years.
[20:00] <Bullzeye> Despite having the absolute lowest tuition and standards in the state.
[20:01] <Prodego> Bullzeye: SUNY?
�08[20:01] <Cream> ␇
[20:01] <Bullzeye> Prodego: Yessir. SUNY Albany.
[20:01] <MindstormsKid> Bullzeye: care to continue??
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[20:01] <Bullzeye> MindstormsKid: Nothing to continue on. Everyone was shocked into silence. Like dead, frightened silence. 
And then the prof turned around and everyone left.
[20:01] <Bullzeye> Keep in mind, this was a 25 person class.
[20:01] <Bullzeye> In a small classroom.
[20:02] <Ironholds> Bullzeye my man.
[20:02] <Ironholds> You deserve a trophy.
[20:03] <Ironholds> In the shape of a small, tearful piece of white trash.
[20:03] <Bullzeye> lawl
[20:03] <Ironholds> At least I assume she was white.
[20:03] <Bullzeye> Nope.
[20:03] <Ironholds> God knows.
[20:03] <Ironholds> oh rly?
[20:03] <Bullzeye> She called me "white boy" recall
�06[20:03] * Ironholds is at uni in the sticks. All white people in my "town" think that they are black, and talk like that all the time
[20:03] <Bullzeye> which I could probably get her expelled for, since the prof surely heard it
�08[20:03] <Cream> omg
�08[20:03] <Cream> my printer starting working on its own...
[20:03] <Ironholds> We have some guys who go on about how ghetto they are.
[20:04] <Ironholds> its like for fucks sakes, you're a second-year politics student!
[20:04] <Bullzeye> Ironholds: are they chavs?
[20:05] <Ironholds> Yes.
[20:05] <Ironholds> We have the highest chav:human ratio in the country.
[20:05] <Bullzeye> There ya go.
[20:05] <Ironholds> And we're talking about a country that produced Tim Westwood.
[20:05] <Bullzeye> If I heard a white kid call me "white boy", I'd probably die with laughter.
[20:06] <Bullzeye> Like literally rotflmao
[20:06] <Ironholds> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arv717FgWHk
[20:06] <MindstormsKid> Bullzeye: oh, i thought you were going to punch her :P
[20:06] <Ironholds> You will find this fucking hilarious, then.
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[20:06] <Bullzeye> The absolute stupidity and juvenile confusion that would produce such a statement 
would render me incapable of doing anything but laughing.
[20:06] <Ironholds> Bullzeye: to make that video better.
[20:06] <Ironholds> The white guy who thinks he is black was educated at public school and is the son of a bishop.
[20:07] <Bullzeye> MindstormsKid: Nah. Like I said, it was a girl. You can't really hit 'em.
[20:07] <MindstormsKid> orly?
[20:07] <Bullzeye> lol
[20:07] <Ironholds> You can if they deserve it.
[20:07] <Ironholds> Now Bullzeye, watch.
[20:08] <Bullzeye> "I'm gonna big him up something crazy"
[20:08] <Bullzeye> haaaaaaaaaaaa
[20:08] <Ironholds> Oh, there is better.
[20:08] <Ironholds> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31QLgql_5EY&feature=related
[20:08] <Ironholds> (our sort of American Idol thing. I forget if we've exported it yet.)
[20:09] <Bullzeye> He literally ends every single sentence with "man"
[20:09] <Ironholds> Mm.
[20:09] <Bullzeye> Not even total stoner surfers do it for EVERY sentence
[20:09] <Ironholds> Make sure to watch the second video allll the way through.
[20:10] <Ironholds> We've exported racism, imperialism and British tourists, but we've never invented anything worse than wiggers from sheffield.
[20:10] <Ironholds> Unless scottish rappers exist.
[20:11] <Ironholds> In which case I am going to die from laughter.
[20:11] <Bullzeye> I cannot understand a single bloody lyric that's coming out of that douchebag's mouth.
[20:11] <Ironholds> Exactly.
[20:11] <Ironholds> He sounds like a homeless guy.
[20:12] <Bullzeye> Sharon Osbourne: "You are not talented at all at performing. You should find something else you enjoy doing."
[20:12] <Ironholds> Exactly.
[20:12] <Ironholds> I'm pretty sure the people who compared him to Eminem were either 1) being sarcastic or 2) also from Sheffield.
[20:12] <Ironholds> Or 3) his mum.
[20:12] <Ironholds> Who probably falls under 2.
[20:13] <Bullzeye> I'll give a transcript from an American perspective:
[20:14] <Bullzeye> "Simon Cowell, effix he it. Ee nuffin but a sole. Louis Schwaltz....you lot...er....you...er..."
[20:14] <Bullzeye> I like the stuttering. Eminem does a lot of that.
[20:14] <Ironholds> I know.
[20:14] <Ironholds> He's well known for his inability to rap.
[20:14] <Ironholds> Its what helped him sell millions of albums.
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[20:15] <Bullzeye> There is a circle of hell somewhere labelled "moron enabler"
[20:15] <Bullzeye> It's below the one where normal morons go
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[20:16] <Ironholds> Mm.
[20:16] <Ironholds> I think thats the fifth one.
[20:16] <Bullzeye> "Sharon Osbourne's daughter Kelly....she's got more talent....than a piece of shit on me shoe!"
[20:16] <Bullzeye> Oooh, burn.
[20:16] <Ironholds> Wait no.
[20:16] <Ironholds> Eight circle, section two.
[20:16] <Bullzeye> People like this would be euthanised in a truly just society.
[20:17] <Ironholds> Flatters, steeped in shit.
�08[20:17] <Cream> Geniune Sharon osbourne quote: "Martha Stewart can lick my scrotum, do i have a scrotum"
[20:17] <Ironholds> Hah.
[20:17] <Bullzeye> omfg
[20:17] <Boriss> o_O
[20:17] <Bullzeye> unbelievable
[20:17] <Ironholds> I maintain a list of people to be lined up against a wall and shot when I come to power.
[20:17] <Boriss> i see i've come at exactly the right time
[20:17] <Ironholds> Osbourne is on it.
[20:17] <Ironholds> As is Jennifer Aniston.
[20:17] <Ironholds> And anyone associated with scientology.
[20:17] <Ironholds> And the pope, just to prove I can.
[20:17] <Bullzeye> You're alright, Ironholds.
[20:17] <Bullzeye> I don't care what anyone says.
[20:18] <Ironholds> People say I'm not? O.o.
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[20:18] <Bullzeye> Yer mum
[20:18] <Ironholds> Well yes, she does.
[20:18] <Ironholds> The only reason the pope is on it is because I think it'd be highly amusing to top the pope, 
wait for them to go through the whole election rigmarole and then top the new one as soon as he steps out into public.
[20:19] <Ironholds> Basically I just like making other people waste their time.
[20:20] <Ironholds> Hence why I bought an album off amazon because it was the last one they had.
[20:21] <Ironholds> Gah, the wiki is boring me.
[20:21] <Ironholds> I hath finished my last big project, and now I have nothing to do.
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[20:22] <Bullzeye> seriously? You bought an album of Amazon just because it was the last one? lawl
[20:22] <Ironholds> Well I also wanted it.
[20:22] <Ironholds> But my decision to order it immediately on the spot so on so forth was because 
they wouldn't get another one for five weeks.
[20:22] <Ironholds> How soon I get it doesn't matter, I already downloaded it.
[20:22] <Ironholds> But frustrating people=great fun for a londoner.
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�06[20:24] * irregardless bothers Ladonna
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[20:25] <Ladonna> :X :X :X
[20:25] <Ladonna> irregardless: /nick please.
�06[20:26] * irregardless 
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�06[20:28] * Ironholds has thought of something to do on-wiki, sweet
[20:28] <oona> \o/
[20:29] <Ironholds> ?
[20:30] <p858snake> take over the MOS monster?
[20:30] <Ironholds> Oh god no.
[20:30] <Ironholds> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stewards_of_the_Manor_of_Northstead
[20:30] <Ironholds> see this bastard?
[20:31] <Ironholds> I got it to Featured based on a bet with Peter Cohen.
[20:31] <Ironholds> Now I need to do the same for its fellow articles.
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[20:31] <Ironholds> Hmm.
[20:31] <Ironholds> I wonder if I could turn it into a Featured Topic.
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�06[20:33] * oona wants to make a featured picture
[20:34] <Ironholds> Take, surely :p.
[20:35] <oona> I has no camera
[20:35] <oona> but I make vector graphics
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[20:35] <Ironholds> Ahh.
[20:36] <Steve-Crossin> ohai
[20:37] <p858snake> oona: i've seen a few featured diagrams and graphs
[20:37] <oona> yeah so have I
[20:37] <oona> not too many though
[20:38] <Ironholds> Ooh, two of my DYKS are in the queue.
[20:38] <Ironholds> Groovy.
[20:38] <Ironholds> Maybe I'll make it a project to get 666 DYKS.
[20:38] <Ironholds> ...at which point the wiki will break as hell-beasts leap out of the server racks and devour Brion.
[20:39] <Mifter> lol
[20:39] <Mifter> thats not nice
[20:39] <Mifter> Brion keeps us running
[20:39] <Ironholds> I know.
[20:39] <Ironholds> Twas a joke.
[20:39] <Ironholds> anyone want an FL star?
[20:40] <Mifter> lol
[20:40] <oona> :P
[20:40] <Ironholds> Not for doing nothing :P.
�06[20:40] * irregardless iz in ur FAs, fucking up ur grammarz
�08[20:41] <Cram|BRB> ohhai Steve-Crossin <3
[20:41] <Ironholds> Thats alright.
[20:41] <Ironholds> My FAC is shite grammar-wise.
[20:41] <Ironholds> Nobody would notice.
[20:42] <Gracenotes> heh, Britons call it the "Mexican wave". Silly Britoners.
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[20:44] <Ironholds> Cal what the what.
[20:44] <Ironholds> And British people, not Britons.
[20:45] <Gracenotes> those silly ethnic British people... always over-representing for the rest of the British people...
[20:45] <Esteffect> I had a Featured Article once. I don't even dare look at it nowadays
[20:45] <Bullzeye> hey Ironholds
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[20:45] <Bullzeye> I got a nominee for the greatest sacrifice in the name of lulz
[20:46] <Bullzeye> Apparently they found a guy at the bottom of the Golden Gate bridge
[20:46] <Bullzeye> in the bay
[20:46] <Bullzeye> dead
[20:46] <Bullzeye> with a note taped to his chest that read "No reason at all except I had a toothache."
[20:46] <Gracenotes> and it's funny because you killed him and pushed him off
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