Monday, September 24, 2018

Guest Post: CrowsNest on how Robin Leach was Declared a Suicide by Wikipedia

This was originally a comment on the Wikipedia Sucks! messageboard.

The Two-Minute Suicide of Robin Leach

by CrowsNest

Attack them where most expect it!

On 24 August, there were 104,706 page views of the Wikipedia article for Robin Leach. Why? He died, of course.

On that day, for two minutes, instead of the reliably sourced cause of death, a stroke, the article apparently said he shot himself.

War, what war?

Now, if you can believe it, the good people of Wikipediocracy have spent today claiming it is not a big deal. Beeblebrox, Poetlister, AndyTheGimp, all take the view this is somehow not an issue. Certainly not one worth reporting in the media.

From tiny acorns

Their lazy assumption seems to be that being up for two minutes means it was never seen. Well, on that day, it seems reasonable to assume it could have been seen by around 70 people. And that's on the pretty shaky assumption that those 100,000+ views were spread out evenly right across the day and night. Here it is relevant to note the death was announced on Twitter at 14.41 UTC, the vandalism occurred at 16.07 UTC. So 416 people seems like a more accurate guesstimate, if assuming 50,000 views in the first two hours. Not bad for 120 seconds of vandalism.....

Wikipedia, you know.....the encyclopedia!

They also lazily assume that everyone in the world understands Wikipedia can be vandalised, and indeed that it is officially not to be assumed to be accurate at all, ever, so you should not repeat what you find there on Twitter or Facebook without first checking the source. The fact that one of the three sources included in the article for the cause of death, a Forbes article, has been viewed just 622 times, puts that assumption into perspective.

Sick, sick, sick

And so we arrive at a familiar conclusion. Rather than sympathizing with the potential victims of Wikipedia, and it really isn't a stretch to see how those sort of numbers as a first seed quantity, could start a rumour that spreads far enough to affect friends and family in their time of grief, these pathetic fanboys who so laughingly like to think of themselves as critics, seek to excuse Wikipedia, absolve it of all blame. As if nobody within the cult has ever even uttered the words Do No Harm.


Not satisfied with that, these sick bastards have all but convinced themselves that the only feasible explanation for a reporter picking up on this story, is that they were the source of the vandalism. Their story was dropped at 16.39 UTC, and as they bizarrely condemn her for, it only included two lines and a screencap about the vandalism, the rest being standard obituary type stuff.

Anyone for cake?

As usual, they want to have it all ways. They condemn her for not writing enough about the vandalism, while arguing she should have written nothing at all. They argue she is a lazy hack who doesn't know one end of Wikipedia from the other, while also alleging she knows enough to knock up hoax pages using untraceable IPs, screen cap them, add them to her piece, all in under an hour, and be confident she would not be found out, her career ruined.

If she knows her way around Wikipedia and is generally good at her job, the timeline and story content is feasible. It would mean they have believe she is knowledgeable and good at her job.....

Fumbling in the dark

Worst of all, they want people to think they are Wikipedia experts, when they couldn't even find the vandalised version in the article history. WTF? Never heard of WikiBlame? Even if not, the vandalism was only the 23rd edit made to the article that day. You can't do twenty three mouse clicks before you publicly accuse journalists of making shit up? And then when someone shows you the publicly visible page anyone in the world can see, you accuse them of creating it themselves?

A love that dare not speak its name

And so yet again, we are at a familiar place. Anonymous cowards like this, making public accusations like that about people whose real names are easily found, with sexist overtones all round. All because they can't stand the thought of Wikipedia being criticised, because they love it so much.

To the shitmobile!

Beeblebrox loves it so much, he even emailed the reporter to question her. I'm guessing he didn't address her as "that hack", as he already had on Wikipediocracy. Rather than be grateful she bothered to reply, he used the content of that mail to launch further attacks on her professional standards. He of course did not reveal the full contents of the email, so we are apparently meant to trust this nerk that he is accurately summarising her message.

The full story?

We can assume Beeblebrox didn't furnish her with the details that might have allowed her to update her story. Namely that it seems it was only due to her story that anyone in Wikipedia thought to even delete that piece of vandalism in such a way that it could not be seen even in an old version, i.e. it couldn't be screencapped and/or passed off as legitimate information from Wikipedia.

Sack the janitors

By the time Beeblebrox got around to that, said old revisions had been publicly accessible for just over two days. Keen observers will note this was not his first thought on hearing about this vandalism today, he first had the idea to publicly trash the journalist and send her an email, and only then, clean up Wikipedia's mess.

Tuesday, September 18, 2018

The Internet Relay Chat logs of en. Wikipedia, part 3

....And the train keeps on rolling.

Monday, June 16, 2008  9:30AM

Session Start: Mon Jun 16 09:30:57 2008
Session Ident: #Wikipedia-en
[09:30] * Now talking in #Wikipedia-en
[09:30] * Topic is 'On-topic discussion for the English Wikipedia | Status: Up | 
Please observe [[m:IRC guidelines]] | To get op attention, join #wikimedia-ops 
or type !op followed by your request. | For an admin *in an emergency*, type 
!admin before a request. | No public logging. | SUL now enabled for all users! 
Info at [[Special:MergeAccount]] | Board elections are now open. 
See [[Special:BoardVote]] to vote.#'
[09:30] * Set by Krimpet on Tue Jun 10 23:33:41
[09:30] * ffm (n=firefoxm@unaffiliated/ffm) Quit (Nick collision from services.#)
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[09:31] <ffm> Hey, what's that userbox that says "this user contributed a lot to a GA"?
[09:32] * Soxred93 (n=Soxred93@unaffiliated/soxred93) 
Quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)#)
[09:32] <lulz> good articles
[09:32] <lulz> great articles
[09:33] <lulz> wikipedia is slow?
[09:34] <ffm> lulz: hrm?
[09:34] <Maximr> lulz: hmm?
[09:34] <ffm> lulz: What, cream?
[09:35] * lulz is now known as Cream
[09:35] <tombom> The vocals are intelligible and it's very musical.
[09:35] <Cream> is Wikipedia slow for anyone?
[09:35] <ffm> Cream: nope.
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[09:35] Clones detected from unaffiliated/ffm:#8 ffm ffm_
Session Close: Mon Jun 16 09:37:52 2008
Session Start: Wed Jun 18 17:56:38 2008
Session Ident: #Wikipedia-en
[17:56] * Now talking in #Wikipedia-en
[17:56] * Topic is 'On-topic discussion for the English Wikipedia | Status: Up | 
Please observe [[m:IRC guidelines]] | To get op attention, join #wikimedia-ops or type 
!op followed by your request. | For an admin *in an emergency*, type !admin before a request. 
| No public logging. | SUL now enabled for all users! Info at [[Special:MergeAccount]] 
| Board elections are now open. See [[Special:BoardVote]] to vote.#'
[17:56] * Set by Krimpet on Tue Jun 10 23:33:41
[17:57] <Sceptre>
[17:57] * Cream snuggles Sceptre
[17:57] * Sceptre snuggles
[17:58] <Aqwis> that's evil.
[17:58] <Cream> Sceptre, wanna see me pwning a board?
[17:58] <Sceptre> Cream: sure
[18:00] <Luna-San> Cream: Oh, so that's you on /b/ there >.>
[18:00] <Cream> lol
[18:00] <Cream> lol
[18:00] <Cream> /b/ is dying
[18:00] <Luna-San> Is it bad if I keep reloading just for the song?
[18:01] <Cream> dunno
Session Close: Wed Jun 18 18:02:05 2008

Session Start: Wed Jun 18 18:02:05 2008
Session Ident: #Wikipedia-en
[18:02] SpamTunes stopped.
[18:02] * Disconnected
Session Close: Wed Jun 18 18:02:06 2008

Session Start: Wed Jun 18 18:03:17 2008
Session Ident: #Wikipedia-en
[18:03] * Now talking in #Wikipedia-en
[18:03] * Topic is 'On-topic discussion for the English Wikipedia | 
Status: Up | Please observe [[m:IRC guidelines]] | 
To get op attention, join #wikimedia-ops or type !op followed by your request. | 
For an admin *in an emergency*, type !admin before a request. | No public logging. | 
SUL now enabled for all users! Info at [[Special:MergeAccount]] | Board elections are now open. 
See [[Special:BoardVote]] to vote.#'
[18:03] * Set by Krimpet on Tue Jun 10 23:33:41
[18:03] * Aqwis ( Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)#)
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[18:04] <Sceptre>
[18:04] <Monobi> Aqwis2, Hvordan går det?
[18:04] <Aqwis2> Det går bra, tusen takk for at du spurte.
[18:05] <Aqwis2> translate that!
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[18:05] <Monobi> It's going well, thanks for asking
[18:05] <Aqwis2> bah.
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[18:05] <Monobi> :-D
[18:06] <WBOSITG> Hey
[18:06] <Monobi> Aqwis2, vvordan sier du "alcohol" på norsk?
[18:06] <Aqwis2> alkohol
[18:06] <WBOSITG> We should all start move-vandalising ED
[18:06] <Monobi> Woo
[18:06] * Rdsmith4 (n=Rdsmith4@wikipedia/Rdsmith4) Quit ("."#)
[18:06] <WBOSITG> Now THAT would be irony
[18:06] <Monobi> Aqwis2, last but not least:
[18:06] <Monobi> luftputefartøyet mitt er fullt av ål
[18:06] <Monobi> Time for food
[18:06] <Aqwis2> haha
[18:07] <Farosdaughter> WBOSITG: That's not irony!
[18:07] * WBOSITG is crap at English
[18:07] <Aqwis2> my hovercraft is full of eel
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[18:07] <WBOSITG> thus does not know what irony really is
[18:07] * Soxred93 (n=Soxred93@unaffiliated/soxred93) Quit ("XChat ftw"#)
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[18:09] <Sceptre> Farosdaughter: the use of words expressing something over than their literal intention!
[18:09] <Sceptre> Now THAT is irony!
[18:10] * Farosdaughter cheers!
[18:10] * Farosdaughter also pokes her disk drive in concern
[18:10] * Sceptre should've checked the wording in the fine!!!
[18:10] <Sceptre> Print!!!
[18:10] <Sceptre> Farosdaughter: what happeened?
[18:10] <Farosdaughter> It was making funny noises so I ejected the CD
[18:10] <Farosdaughter> Now it's saying there is no CD when I reinsert it!
[18:11] <Sceptre> reset the computer
[18:11] <Farosdaughter> Is listening to some depressing Kate Rusby too much to ask?
[18:11] <wimt> Is it actually a CD? The usual way to tell is that CDs are round whereas beer mats tend to be square.
[18:11] <Farosdaughter> wimt: I'm incompetent, not *totally* incompetent :P
[18:11] <wimt> :-p
[18:11] <Sceptre> seriously
[18:11] <Sceptre> sometimes my CD drive locks up too :(
[18:11] <Farosdaughter> A subtle but important distinction
[18:12] <Gazimoff> Farosdaughter: WHy not rip the CD to the hard drive?
[18:12] <Farosdaughter> Gazimoff: Because it won't recognise the CD is there...
[18:12] <Gazimoff> Ah.. computer says no...
[18:12] <Farosdaughter> Now it's ejecting the drive!
[18:13] * Sceptre had the displeasure of listening to Lily Allen earlier :(
[18:13] * Farosdaughter does a slightly anxious reboot
[18:13] * Farosdaughter (n=chatzill@wikipedia/Farosdaughter) Quit ("ChatZilla [Firefox]"#)
[18:13] <Sceptre> "At first when I see you cry, and it makes me smile, yeah it makes me smile" sounds psycho
[18:13] <Gazimoff> The one who sings in mockney?
[18:14] <Sceptre> yeah
[18:14] * Gazimoff facepalms
[18:14] * DerHexer (n=DerHexer@wikipedia/DerHexer) Quit ("ChatZilla [Firefox 3.0b4/2008030714]"#)
[18:14] <Sceptre> CRAWLING IN MY ROBES
[18:15] <Gazimoff> This is ironic. Having seven webpages open, IRC and mail running, and chating on MSN, 
while wikilinking an article on one of the major researchers of internet addiction
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[18:19] <bradv> Gazimoff: You should probably go for a walk or something.
[18:19] <Gazimoff> I did, earlier :)
[18:20] <Gazimoff> Did some shopping, bought some lettuce, some cheese, some sour cream, some milk. It was nice
[18:20] <Farosdaughter> It's now saying I don't have permission to access it
[18:20] * Farosdaughter stabs
[18:20] <Farosdaughter> Oh but itunes finds it
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[18:20] <Farosdaughter> Oh it's spinning very fast
[18:20] <Sceptre> yayyyy
[18:20] <wimt> CDs tend to do that
[18:20] <Farosdaughter> No baad
[18:20] <Gazimoff> [[Percussive maintenance]], closely followed by [[magic smoke]]
[18:20] <Farosdaughter> No like it's shaking the whole computer fast!
[18:21] <wimt> Lol
[18:21] * Farosdaughter pets it gently
[18:21] <Farosdaughter> wimt: I don't think it's well :(
[18:21] <wimt> :-(
[18:21] <wimt> My experiences with laptop CD drives aren't good
[18:21] <wimt> They do tend to have a limited lifespan
[18:22] <Farosdaughter> This laptop is only 10 months old
[18:22] <Gazimoff>, replacement for £30, be with you before the weekend, swap out, job done
[18:22] * Alexfusco5|Away is now known as Alexfusco5
[18:22] <Gazimoff> Ah... laptop....
[18:22] * Gazimoff sighs
[18:22] <Gazimoff> Back to the cold dark with you
[18:22] <wimt> Well, at least that means it's within warranty
[18:22] <Farosdaughter> Jaa
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[18:23] <Farosdaughter> Hence all the free new battery packs :D
[18:23] <wimt> Hehe
[18:23] <bradv> The percussive maintenance might void the warranty though
[18:23] <wimt> To be honest, I'm surprised the warranty doesn't have a "void if touched by Farosdaughter" clause ;-)
[18:23] <Farosdaughter> Bugger off :P
[18:23] <Monobi> Aqwis2, how do you say "stabbed"
[18:23] <Farosdaughter> there are worse people than me out there
[18:24] <Monobi> Like "he was stabbed!"
[18:24] <Farosdaughter> My flatmates for example
[18:24] <wimt> This is true. Scary thought :-p
[18:24] <Farosdaughter> Who chuck their laptops across the room
[18:24] <Aqwis2> han ble knivstukket
[18:24] <Monobi> Ok
[18:24] <Sceptre> wait, you're kidding right...
[18:24] <Sceptre> Norwegian black metal band Mayhem is notorious for its tempestuous history. 
One vocalist, Maniac, retired after a failed suicide attempt landed him in a mental institution. 
Another vocalist, Dead (who was known for on-stage self mutilation and once had to be taken from the concert in an ambulance due to blood loss), 
slit his wrists then shot himself in the head with a shotgun. On top of that...
[18:24] <Sceptre> ...fellow band member Euronymous found the body, went into town to buy a disposable camera, 
came back and rearranged the scene then took photos, one of which ended up as the cover art for a bootleg album. 
Then the bassist, Varg Vikernes, stabbed the guitarist, Euronymous, to death. Vikernes was sent to prison, but then escaped in 2003, 
but was caught. The band still tours and records, albeit...
[18:24] <Sceptre> ...with only one founding member, Necrobutcher.
[18:25] <Aqwis2> that's real
[18:25] <WBOSITG> flood, flood
[18:25] <WBOSITG> LOL.
[18:26] <WBOSITG> Those crazy Norwegians.
[18:26] <Cream> sooooo fucked up
[18:27] * Lisa-Chan is now known as Lajla
[18:28] <WBOSITG> I mean, we say MCR etc. are emo
[18:28] <WBOSITG> but that takes the Maccarone
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[18:29] * Sceptre pokes lajla into ranting
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[18:29] <Lajla> Ehh,
[18:29] <Monobi> WBOSITG, moar scottish!
[18:29] <Lajla> read that if you want to see me rant.
[18:29] <WBOSITG> Monobi, Ayyye
[18:29] * Cream butthurts Sceptre
[18:30] <WBOSITG> ewww
[18:30] <Gazimoff> Och aye de nuu
[18:30] <WBOSITG> :O
[18:30] <WBOSITG> Och Aye The Noo
[18:30] <WBOSITG> (used to be my username on
[18:30] <Lajla> Scotts isn't a language, it's a way to give a name to the hard ends of shoelaces.
[18:31] <Lajla> Sceptre: yes, yes?
[18:31] <Gazimoff> What's the most extravagant deep-fried item you've come accross, WBOSITG?
[18:31] <WBOSITG> A Mars Bar.
[18:31] <WBOSITG> Lajla, lol
[18:31] <Monobi> Lajla, Dutch O_O
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[18:32] <Monobi> Ik spreek niet erg goed Nederlands
[18:32] <Monobi> O_O
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[18:33] <Lajla> Ik spreek redelijk Nederlands.
[18:34] <Lajla> Maar ik heb de Taalunie recent een brief gestuurd dat ik 
hen niet meer erken als het regulierende orgaan van mijn moedertaal.
[18:34] <Lajla> Ze hebben net iets teveel blunders begaan was mijn rationale.
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[18:34] <PersianPoetGal> *sneaks in*
[18:34] <Sceptre> the only Dutch I know is that "ljin" or "lijn" (I forgot which) is "line"
[18:34] <bradv> Hup Holland!
[18:35] <Lajla> That's lijn.
[18:35] <Lajla> Mijn: mine, fijn: fine, dijk: dyke, lijk: like.
[18:36] <Lajla> 'ij' descents from the proto-west-germanic 'long-i' as does the English 'ai' sound.
[18:36] <Lajla> And the German one.
[18:36] * Sceptre has used Belgian public transport before
[18:36] * FastLizard4 is finally out of school
[18:36] <Lajla> Mein, klein etc.
[18:36] <Lajla> Ehh, not klein.
[18:36] <Lajla> Sein, dein.
[18:36] <Lajla> dein: þine.
[18:37] <Gazimoff> hurdy furdy hurdy furdy
[18:37] <Lajla> Archaïc English.
[18:37] <Gazimoff> :)
[18:37] * Sceptre goes the hurdy gurdy
[18:37] <Lajla> Sceptre, did you enjoy my rant? :3
[18:37] <Sceptre> screw your rant, I have rule
[18:37] <Sceptre> s
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[18:37] <Lajla> Screw your mom, I have my sister.
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[18:38] <WBOSITG> bye all.
[18:39] * WBOSITG (n=mode@unaffiliated/wbositg) Quit ("Goodnight all."#)
[18:39] <Lajla> A Dutch commedian once said that """"politican"""" Rita Verdonk can't be the product of two people making a baby out of love.
[18:39] <Lajla> It had to be some sort of Parthenogenesis.
[18:39] <Lajla> But with that, he only displaces the problem.
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[18:43] Clones detected from Shiroi_Neko Yume-no-Neko
[18:43] * Gazimoff wonders if he should worry about editor review
[18:43] * Howcheng is now known as Howcheng|away
[18:44] <Aqwis2> don't.
[18:44] * FastLizard4 wonders if he should worry about Gazimoff talking about ER
[18:44] * Lucifer|Away is now known as Harris-Kleblod_0
[18:44] * Harris-Kleblod_0 is now known as Harris-Kleblod08
[18:44] * Harris-Kleblod08 is against gun control.
[18:45] <Lajla> Sceptre:
[18:45] <Harris-Kleblod08> oops wrong channel
[18:45] <Maximr> haha
[18:45] <Farosdaughter> ooof one for monobi ::P
[18:45] <Lajla> Hmm, why are you against gun controll?
[18:45] <Gazimoff> FastLizard4: I thought it would be a good idea to get feedback on my work. 
Kinda like a "HOW'S MY DRIVING" sticker
[18:45] <Harris-Kleblod08> Lajla: its our only claim to fame.
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[18:46] <Lajla> Gun control, or guns?
[18:46] <FastLizard4> Gazimoff: No, I'm worrying about the fact that you are worrying about it
[18:46] <Lajla> The statistics are hardly ambiguous.
[18:46] <Harris-Kleblod08> who can get the reference without googling/wiking?
[18:46] * Shiroi_Neko (n=wikipedi@ Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)#)
[18:46] <Lajla> I've read some in the CBS magazine, 1,44 the chace of dying per firearm 
if you own a gun in the US and seven times the chance of commiting suicide.
[18:46] <Gazimoff> FastLizard4: I'm wondering if anyone will act on it, or if it'll drop to the bottom of the pile and get archived.
[18:47] <Lajla> Though the latter I see as a plus.
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[18:47] <FastLizard4> Gazimoff: heh
[18:47] <Lajla> Simply that it's easier to do it then.
[18:47] <FastLizard4> someone will come around after a while
[18:47] <Lajla> I'm against forbidding people to commit suicide, that's ridiculous.
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[18:48] <Harris-Kleblod08> Lajla: if its any help, im against responsible parenting as well
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[18:48] <Sceptre> They should bring the dealth penalty back for suicide
[18:48] * AzaTht (n=azatoth@wikipedia/AzaToth) Quit (Remote closed the connection#)
[18:48] <Harris-Kleblod08> XD
[18:49] <Lajla> What's responsible parenting?
[18:49] <Lajla> I personally feel that the power parents have over their children should be strictly for upbringing.
[18:49] <Lajla> I know someone who is forced to go to church by her parents, that goes a bit too far.
[18:49] <Ryanposs> Am I notable for my own article?!??
[18:49] <Lajla> That parents have such power.
[18:49] <Maximr> ryanposs: huh?
[18:49] <Ryanposs>
[18:49] <Ryanposs> 2003/04
[18:50] <Harris-Kleblod08> like, for example, taking care of their kids, 
watching over them.. you know, the "parenting" stuff - the way it was in 19th century
[18:50] <Lajla> The father said that that was fine, I asked 'And the reserve, atheist parents forbidding their newly become Christian child to go to church?'
[18:50] <Lajla> That made him think.
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[18:50] <Lajla> does any-one know what the title of this film is?
[18:51] <Cream> К-К-К-КФMБФ БЯЭДKЭЯ
[18:51] <Ryanposs> Actually...........................
[18:51] <Ryanposs> Maximr:
[18:51] <Cream> oh hai Ryanposs <3
[18:51] <Harris-Kleblod08> i dont see anything /wrong/ in making your kid go to church. though i dont blame the kid for wanting to go 
either given how much BS the church spews out these days.
[18:51] <Ryanposs> 2003/04 again, assisstant to [[Peter McDonnell]]
[18:51] <Maximr> '''Ryan Postlethwaite''' is a noted British drunk. In June 2008, Postlethwaite stood for the Wikimedia Board of Directors. 
He was unsuccessful in the election; votes cited that his constant drunkenness as being a poor representative of the Foundation.
[18:52] <Ryanposs>
[18:52] <Lajla> Harris, yes, but do you find it wrong to forbit a child to go to church?
[18:52] <Lajla> Atheïsm is a religion, mind you.
[18:52] <Lajla> Apparently, in Dutch law, the first is okay, while the second isn't.
[18:52] <Majorly> Ryanposs, that article makes you notable
[18:52] <Lajla> The second for some reason interferes with the freedom of religion, while the first doesn't?
[18:53] <BoL> is ProfessorBikeyBike on?
[18:53] <Ryanposs> Majorly: Go create my page!
[18:54] <Cream> Majorly. vandalize my page <
[18:54] <Cream> `<3
[18:55] <Majorly> Ryanposs, no
[18:55] <Ryanposs> booooooooooooooo
[18:55] <Majorly> if you get elected, perhaps
[18:55] <Harris-Kleblod08> Lajla: oh sorry forgot to respond to that one... 
well, i wouldnt forbid my kid to go to church - i'd say hes completely off his rocker though - but then im not an atheist.
[18:55] <miranda> is anyone good in photoshop here?
[18:55] * Seddon gets Ryan's aticle speedily deleted for excessive drunkeness
[18:55] <Harris-Kleblod08> atheism is a religion?
[18:55] <Seddon> miranda, what do you need doing?
[18:56] <miranda> Seddon: I have this picture of different things in white
[18:56] <miranda> and I want them in different colors
[18:56] <Seddon> linky?
[18:56] <miranda> well I haven't uploaded it yet
[18:56] <Seddon> kk :P
[18:56] <Harris-Kleblod08> well, i'd deny my kid all decision making priviliges about 
his religion till he is 14-15 and has enough info about all options available
[18:57] <Ryanposs> miranda: If you can't find anyone, I can probably get one of my mates onto it for you
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[18:57] <Harris-Kleblod08> i like it when people look a /ONE/ religion, decide they dont 
like xyz about it and declare themselves as being godless.
[18:58] <Lajla> Harris, no, he forces his daughter to go to church.
[18:58] <Lajla> Who doesn't want to.
[18:59] <Lajla> He said parents should be able to do that.
[18:59] <Lajla> So I asked him 'Should they also be able to forbid their children to go to church?'
[18:59] <Harris-Kleblod08> depends on how old she is
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[18:59] <Lajla> She is almost seventeen.
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[18:59] <Harris-Kleblod08> well then, he cant. unless shes blonde.
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[18:59] <Lajla> And do you think that in both cases, the ages are equal?
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[19:00] <Harris-Kleblod08> by 17, an average non-american kid would have enough 
commonsense and general knowledge to decide for himself/herself (excluding blondes and only childs)
[19:01] <Lajla> only childs? 
[19:01] <Lajla>Blondes I can get, but ehh.
[19:01] <Lajla> Well, the problem is, I'm extremely averse to determining every-thing by age alone.
[19:01] <Lajla> I praefer a per case review.
[19:01] <Lajla> Not simply going by age.
[19:01] <Majorly> coco pops are being advertised now to be eaten after school instead of for breakfast... what gives
[19:02] <Lajla> I've seen people fourteen year olds more responsible, eloquent and read than some people forty.
[19:02] <Harris-Kleblod08> Lajla: same goes for being able to vote.
[19:02] <Farosdaughter> Majorly: Cereal is good all times of the day
[19:02] <Majorly> Farosdaughter, it's being advertised at kids
[19:02] <Farosdaughter> Oh, perhaps not so good
[19:02] <Lajla> Harris, yep able to vote.
[19:02] <Harris-Kleblod08> choco pops are hardly cereal
[19:02] <Majorly> I never have breakfast. That's not healthy
[19:02] <Sceptre> I never had real coco pops
[19:02] <Sceptre> I had the cheap imitation ones :(
[19:03] <Lajla> Technically, the 18 year old voting barier is something which fits 
the definition of discrimation the Dutch government acts upon.
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[19:03] <Majorly> the shop brand ones
[19:03] <Harris-Kleblod08> Lajla: whats cool is that it would disenfranchise 80% of worlds population
[19:03] <Lajla> The point is that reviewing per case is too expensive and cumbersome.
[19:03] <Farosdaughter> Crunchy Nut Cornflakes are the only way
[19:03] <Harris-Kleblod08> or maybe im just being too cynical today
[19:03] <Harris-Kleblod08> Farosdaughter: cheeros
[19:04] <Farosdaughter> No
[19:04] <Farosdaughter> CNC
[19:04] <Farosdaughter> And not Kellogs, Tesco's own
[19:04] <Harris-Kleblod08> CHEERIOS
[19:04] * Farosdaughter is very particular
[19:04] <Harris-Kleblod08> Farosdaughter: are you a cheerio?
[19:04] * Farosdaughter denies this
[19:04] * Harris-Kleblod08 shoots Farosdaughter
[19:04] <Harris-Kleblod08> Farosdaughter is now a cheerio martyr
[19:05] <Farosdaughter> No, I'm a CNC martyr
[19:05] <Farosdaughter> Since I refused to change my allegiance
[19:06] <Harris-Kleblod08> Farosdaughter: you missed the reference
[19:07] <Farosdaughter> Your name
[19:07] * Harris-Kleblod08 is now known as Lucifer_Cat
[19:07] * Farosdaughter winces
[19:07] * Farosdaughter finds it unfunny she's afraid
[19:07] <Lucifer_Cat> what about it?
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[19:07] <Farosdaughter> Columbine right?
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[19:08] <Lucifer_Cat> yeah, columbine wasnt funny. it manages to piss me off everytime i read about it.
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[19:10] <mattbuck> i read a book by the last guy to talk to klebold
[19:11] <mattbuck> was very interesting
[19:11] <Lucifer_Cat> hmm maybe i'll read it.
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[19:11] * Lucifer_Cat loves the new firefor3 security
[19:11] <FastLizard4> firefor?
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[19:12] <mattbuck> by brooks brown
[19:12] <FastLizard4> Let's see if I can't get AWB to work for me today
[19:12] <mattbuck> "no easy answers" was the title iirc
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[19:14] <mattbuck> there's a game about columbine actually, and i want to see the movie about said game
[19:15] <rory096> hmm, this is interesting
[19:15] <rory096>
[19:15] <rory096> accountability? in my government?
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[19:22] <Sceptre> Gazimoff: how does this edit look?
[19:22] <Sceptre> anyone want to tell me if
[19:22] <Sceptre> sorry
[19:22] <Sceptre> anyone want to tell me if
[19:22] <Sceptre> dammit
[19:22] <Sceptre>
[19:24] <Gazimoff> On it now
[19:24] <rory096> whoa
[19:24] <rory096> [[Battle of Arghandab]]
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[19:24] <rory096> i was just reading an article yesterday about that district and how the taliban just took much of it over
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[19:25] <Gazimoff> Scepter: on [[18 June]] [[2008]], to force a [[by-election]] for the...
[19:26] <Gazimoff> End sentence after by-election and start a new one
[19:26] <Gazimoff> Otherwise, much clearer
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[19:29] <rory096> "On June 13, a tanker truck approached the front gates of the prison at approximately 
2100H after nightfall left the area darkened[3], 
and detonated explosives contained within itself, killing all Afghan police in the area."
[19:29] <rory096> wtf sentence structure
[19:29] <Sceptre> Gazimoff: "On 12 June 2008, Davis announced his resignation as MP for 
Haltemprice and Howden and Shadow Home Secretary, 
and formally resigned on 18 June 2008, to force a by-election and provoke debate about civil liberties in the United Kingdom. 
He immediately stated his intention to run in the by-election, in which the Labour Party and Liberal Democrats declined to field candidates."
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[19:29] <Gazimoff> ...on 18 june 2008 in order to force a by-election. He seeks re-election under the David Davis for Fredom campaign, 
in an attempt to provoke debate about civill liberties...
[19:30] <Gazimoff> Ah, your edit works, Sceptre
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[19:30] <Sceptre> I think the resignation was meant to provoke debates itself
[19:30] <Gazimoff> The additional detail makes it flow
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[19:30] <Gazimoff> Yep, works for me
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[19:35] <Gazimoff> Blackberry. Double-edged sword. You can get your email anywhere. Even when you're on holiday...
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[19:36] <StevenW> can you create an article with a symbol in the title?
[19:36] <StevenW> like a +
[19:36] <StevenW> ?
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[19:36] <Sceptre> [[Image:GordonBrown2004.JPG]] doesn't look good
[19:37] <Juliancolton> StevenW: :O
[19:37] <StevenW> hi Juliancolton
[19:37] <StevenW> anyone know?
[19:37] <Juliancolton> Hi
[19:37] <ffm> MZMcBride: Ponf.
[19:38] <ffm> *pong
[19:38] <MZMcBride> ffm: Any excuse to edit the Main Page, eh? ;)
[19:38] <Aqwis2> Sceptre, humanoid reptiles do, indeed, not look good
[19:38] <Gazimoff> Sceptre: If I was the communications advisor for the Labour Party, 
I'd suggest getting an approved photo under CC3.0 psq
[19:38] <MZMcBride> ffm: Your -en-admins access is all set up, too.
[19:39] * Cream is laughing hard
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[19:41] <Sceptre> Gazimoff: I used a better picture, but it faces the wrong way
[19:41] <blinding_dawn> knock knock
[19:41] <Gazimoff> Sceptre: If it's released under CC3.0 why not flip it and re-upload it as an alternative version?
[19:42] <Sceptre> because it looks weird if I do
[19:42] <Gazimoff> Fair enough.
[19:42] <blinding_dawn> Any administrators in here?
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[19:42] <Sceptre> nope
[19:42] <Sceptre> just us banned users
[19:42] <MZMcBride> blinding_dawn: Whatcha need?
[19:42] <Malinaccier> blinding_dawn: yep
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[19:43] <blinding_dawn> I need to ask a question of a delicate nature
[19:43] <Pilotguy> hello Cream
[19:43] <Cream> and i'll reply with a answer of the delicate nature
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[19:43] <ffm> MZMcBride: cool.
[19:43] <ffm> MZMcBride: Yepper.
[19:43] * ffm is away.
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[19:44] <Gazimoff> That's it now. We'll never see ffm talk in this channel again :)
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[20:02] <Gazimoff> Hrm...
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[20:02] * Gazimoff contemplates installing Huggle
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[20:06] <Gazimoff> Wow, Huggle comes up with a ton of information
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[20:07] <rory096>
[20:07] * rory096 wants one
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[20:09] <Gazimoff> I want one that will display a list of {{ssid}} tags
[20:10] <Gazimoff> Except that I know someone will start a hotspot called an expletive next to one of my favorite nightclubs
[20:10] <rory096> heh
[20:11] <Gazimoff> I have no desire to have a t-shirt with the signal strength of "wanker" as I try to converse with the ladies :)
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[20:21] <Gazimoff> Damn, there's a lot of vandalism tonight
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[20:21] <rory096> # Sorry. I agree that RfA needs to change somehow, but this isn't the way to do it. GlassCobra 00:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
[20:21] <rory096>     That's funny, I thought this page was a request for adminship, not a referendum on changing RfA. 
What happened to commenting on whether or not the candidate was fit for adminship? --Rory096 00:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
[20:21] <rory096> ugh
[20:23] <Farosdaughter> It's his birthday so you have to be nice :)
[20:23] * Farosdaughter bakes GlassCobra  a cake
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[20:23] <rory096> nice?
[20:23] <rory096> i'm not familiar with the concept
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[20:30] <Gazimoff> You know when you report something at AIV... and it sits there, as if you've made a mistake or something...
[20:31] <GlassCobra> rory096: considering the candidate is running essentially a POINT candidacy to try to prove that RfA isn't a big deal, 
I am sticking by my oppose
[20:31] <GlassCobra> thanks for the cake, Farosdaughter :)
[20:31] <Farosdaughter> :)
[20:31] <rory096> GlassCobra: bullshit. just because the user's probably not going to 
use the tools all that much means they're disrupting wikipedia to make a point?
[20:31] <GlassCobra> it's got nothing to do with the user
[20:31] <GlassCobra> it has to do with why he's running
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[20:32] <TenPoundHammer> hey, will someone take a look at a page for me?
[20:32] <rory096> GlassCobra: so you're opposing the user not because they'd abuse or misuse the tools, but because you object to the format of the rfa?
[20:32] <rory096> what the fuck?
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[20:32] <Ryanposs> tut tut Pilotgoy_
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[20:33] * Cream spansk Ryanposs
[20:33] <Cream> hmm
[20:33] <Cream> fireworks tonight
[20:33] <GlassCobra> oookay, you're getting a little too heated about this. 
It seems clear to me that if not for the current climate of RfA, 
the user would not have attempted an RfA
[20:33] * Cream grabs his laz0r pointer
[20:33] * Ryanposs creams C
[20:33] <Ryanposs> Cream*
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[20:33] <Cream> Hurdy Hey GlassCobra :)
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[20:33] <rory096> GlassCobra: so what? the user isn't going to abuse or misuse the tools, so there's NO REASON to oppose their being an admin
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[20:33] <GlassCobra> rory096: thus the only reason for him running is to make a point about RfA
[20:33] <rory096> this process for the sake of process is bullshit
[20:33] -> *GlassCobra* sup&
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[20:34] <rory096> GlassCobra: uh, no. they're running because they believe that admin tools could be useful to them, 
even though they probably wont use them all that much. your opposition for no reason other than the format of their rfa is making a POINT about rfa.
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[20:36] <ffm> Gazimoff: hrm?
[20:36] <Majorly> rory096, ok we've established most of the opposition is baseless and just as pointy as the nom. So be it. He's not gonna budge
[20:36] <ffm> Gazimoff: ah, sorry.
[20:37] <Gazimoff> ffm: It's OK, it's been sorted :)
[20:37] <rory096> Majorly: meh, some have
[20:37] <Gazimoff> We have an old british saying for this. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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[20:42] <rory096> cool crashing, firefox
[20:42] <rory096> ugh
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[20:43] <Majorly> rory096, do you think you'll make a difference by commenting on that rfa?
[20:43] <rory096> Majorly: meh, i got one guy to switch
[20:44] <rory096> at worst, i've pissed some people off and maybe they wont spew their bullshit on rfa anymore
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[20:44] <Majorly> aaron brenneman is back I see
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[20:45] <Majorly> rory096, quoting werdna here: "Please Don't Bite The Opposers by arguing with them. 
If they're showing faulty reasoning, the crat'll take that into account at the end. Whether they're right or wrong, opposes tend to stick anyway 
(people who are wrong are often stubborn, and people who are right will obviously stay opposing), and all arguing causes is bad blood and a long page"
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[20:46] <rory096> Majorly: the chances crats will take anything into account are small, and they're nil if nobody points out why the opposer's argument is retarded
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[20:49] <GlassCobra> Majorly: I have no problem with rory discussing it with me. The whole "don't bite the opposers" 
thing just discourages discussion at RfA and turns it into more of a vote
[20:51] <GlassCobra> last I checked, that's a bad thing
[20:52] <Majorly> so are opposes that have nothing to do with adminship
[20:54] <Sceptre> Majorly: " If they're showing faulty reasoning, the crat'll take that into account at the end. "
[20:54] <Sceptre> '''Oppose''' - likes Kelly Martin
[20:55] <Cream> lol
[20:55] <Cream> @ Kelly Martin Joke
[20:55] <Cream> or '''Oppose''' - Faps to Phaedriel's pics
[20:56] <Sceptre> Cream: you're not talking about my oppose, are you?
[20:56] <Cream> nope
[20:56] <Cream> :)
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[21:00] <Gazimoff> Oppose: Doesn't find my jokes funny.
[21:00] <nihiltres> .
[21:00] * Gazimoff would be stuffed
[21:00] <Sceptre> Cream: you're internet savvy
[21:00] <nihiltres> 666 messages since I entered and before my .
[21:00] <Sceptre> can you tell me, what song is used for emos now?
[21:01] <Sceptre> it used to be Crawling, then How Could This Happen to Me
[21:01] <Monobi> Farosdaughter:
[21:01] <Monobi> <Farosdaughter> ooof one for monobi ::P
[21:01] <Monobi> ??
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[21:01] <Monobi> What does that mean
[21:02] <Farosdaughter> Monobi: Something about gun control was mentionned
[21:02] <Monobi> :-O
[21:02] * Sceptre huggles farosywarosywaterydaughtery
[21:03] <Gazimoff> Sceptre:
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[21:06] <Sceptre> Gazimoff: Alanis Morrisette and Nickelback are making me laugh
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[21:08] <Monobi> Maxim around?
[21:09] <Sceptre> Gazimoff: Would you like a happy m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-meal, meal?
[21:09] <Gazimoff> Thought it'd make you giggle :)
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[21:10] <Gazimoff> I liked Coldplay at the start too :)
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[21:12] <Sceptre> his impersonation of Alanis was brilliant
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[21:12] <Sceptre> I couldn't tell the difference :p
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[21:13] <StevenW> for anyone interested
[21:13] <StevenW> some nut is removing cited content from the GA-class article on [[J. Michael Bailey]] with claims of BLP
[21:13] * JC|Bored heads over
[21:13] <StevenW> it's obviously POV headhunting against any criticism of the man
[21:14] <Farosdaughter> StevenW: Some nut or an admin enforcing arbcom's new rules? ;)
[21:14] <StevenW> ugh
[21:14] <Monobi> StevenW, SOL
[21:14] <StevenW> sol?
[21:14] <JC|Bored> Farosdaugter: Same thing
[21:14] <Monobi> Sh!t Outta Luck
[21:14] <Farosdaughter> JC|Bored: oh snap :P
[21:14] <StevenW> who is Monobi?
[21:14] <Farosdaughter> :D
[21:14] <Monobi> StevenW, [[User:Monobi]] ...
[21:14] <JC|Bored> StevenW: :O
[21:15] <JC|Bored> Who was never heard of Monobi? ;)
[21:15] <StevenW> Monobi: I meant who is SOL
[21:15] <StevenW> :P
[21:15] <StevenW> no who you are
[21:15] <StevenW> not*
[21:15] <Monobi> SOL = Sh!t Outta Luck
[21:16] <SteveCrossin> o_o
[21:16] <SteveCrossin> another Steven :O
[21:16] <rory096> someone clear csd kthx
[21:16] <SteveCrossin> well, im steve :p
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[21:17] <PHMan> oh hai
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[21:17] <Monobi> StevenW, you can whitewash articles, see [[WP:BLPBAN]]
[21:18] <JC|Bored> StevenW: that article was delisted
[21:18] <StevenW> too bad
[21:18] <StevenW> what criterion?
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[21:18] <Monobi> StevenW, all of it
[21:18] <Monobi> you are SOL
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[21:19] <StevenW> fuck that shit
[21:19] <StevenW> seriously
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[21:19] <StevenW> ArbCom only matters because we listen to it
[21:19] <StevenW> so quit listening if it's nuts
[21:19] <Monobi> Haha
[21:19] <Monobi> I've been saying that for...
[21:19] <Ached> hi hi hi
[21:19] <Monobi> A while
[21:19] <StevenW> it's not like they have actual power. their power rests with the compliance of admins to do their bidding
[21:19] <StevenW> I for one intend to write an encyclopedia and just ignore that crap
[21:20] <Monobi> StevenW, all you need is one admin to listen to them
[21:20] <Monobi> And you are SOL
[21:20] <StevenW> ugh, yeah I know
[21:20] <Monobi> Lots of SOL
[21:20] <StevenW> in this case
[21:21] <StevenW> the editor removing cited content has done so before
[21:21] <StevenW> so it's not something new based on the case from Arbcom
[21:21] <StevenW> they may not even be aware of it
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[21:23] <StevenW> well
[21:23] <StevenW> anyway
[21:23] <StevenW> I hope someone deals with the whitewashing over at [[J. Michael Bailey]]
[21:23] <StevenW> I'm personally just going to wait until the moron forgets about it
[21:24] <SteveCrossin> WP:NPA ;)
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[21:24] <StevenW> riiight
[21:24] <StevenW> do I smell a new IRC arbcom case abrewing? ;)
[21:24] <Monobi> INKSCAPE
[21:25] <SteveCrossin> heh
[21:25] <Mm40> How many IRC ArbCom cases have their been?
[21:25] * SteveCrossin bans StevenW for one year, places {{banned|time=1year|by=IRC Arbcom}} on userpage :p
[21:25] * Mm40 doesn't wanr ro know
[21:25] <Sceptre> only IRC, I think
[21:25] <StevenW> lol
[21:26] <StevenW> is steve really your legal name SteveCrossin?
[21:26] <StevenW> or is it steven?
[21:26] <SteveCrossin> Steve is my legal name
[21:26] <StevenW> crazy
[21:26] <SteveCrossin> :P
[21:27] <SteveCrossin> i has no last name :p
[21:27] <StevenW> very funny
[21:27] <StevenW> anyway
[21:27] <StevenW> ta ta for now
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[21:28] <ffm> SteveCrossin: bah.
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[21:45] <rory096> wait a second
[21:46] <rory096> [[HUD]] stands for "head-up display," not heads-up?
[21:46] * rory096 's head explodes
[21:46] <rory096> er, no pun intended
[21:47] <Prodego> rory096: I have heard it as both
[21:47] <rory096> Prodego: i had always thought it was heads-up
[21:47] <rory096> but head-up has a totally different meaning...
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[21:49] <WaRpAtH> OMG AoE is Featured :O
[21:50] <JC|Bored> AoE?
[21:50] <Prodego> age of empires
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[21:51] <JC|Bored> :O
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[21:53] <Gazimoff> Yep. Giggy/DHMO's FA
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[21:55] <SteveCrossin> WaRpAtH: OMG
[21:55] <WaRpAtH> O_O
[21:55] <SteveCrossin> why cant GA's be on the main page :/
[21:56] <animum> Too many?
[21:56] <Soxred93> Take a lot of info out, and make it a DYK ;)
[21:56] <SteveCrossin> lol
[21:57] <SteveCrossin> you could in theory write a GA in 5 days
[21:57] <SteveCrossin> from scratch
[21:57] <Howcheng> there was a proposal to allow GA promotions to show up in DYK, but i don't know what became of that
[21:58] <animum> SteveCrossin, doesn't Qst write Family Guy GAs very quickly?
[21:58] <SteveCrossin> family guy gets to FA? O_o
[21:58] <animum> GA
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[21:59] <Mm40> MBisanz: Hi
[21:59] <SteveCrossin> hi MBisanz
[22:00] <MBisanz> hey MM
[22:00] <WaRpAtH> hi annies mum :P
[22:00] <SteveCrossin> i wonder how the elections are going
[22:00] <MBisanz> Steve did you see my dragged to ANI for being too open to discussion?
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[22:00] <SteveCrossin> linky
[22:00] <MBisanz>
[22:01] * SteveCrossin looks
[22:01] * animum (belatedly) stabs WaRpAtH.
[22:01] <WaRpAtH> :DDD
[22:02] <SteveCrossin> "We don't "punish" people except by giving the 
good ones even more work to do, which can be quite punishing indeed,"
[22:02] <SteveCrossin> heh
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[22:02] <SteveCrossin> And hes an ADMIN! Please punish him for this!
[22:02] <SteveCrossin> lulz
[22:02] * Gazimoff facepalms
[22:03] * SteveCrossin "punishes" MBisanz by asking him to look at
[22:03] <SteveCrossin> :DD
[22:03] <SteveCrossin> muahahaha'
[22:03] <MBisanz> no, no, stop!
[22:04] <MBisanz> I only do user warning templates in any event
[22:04] <SteveCrossin> bwahahaha
[22:04] <Gazimoff> If {{uw-ewblock}} is there, I was asked to make it at WP:RT :P
[22:04] <MBisanz> Gazimoff you need to add it to the block page
[22:05] <MBisanz>
[22:05] <Gazimoff> Okies, will do that now
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[22:05] <SteveCrossin> O_O
[22:06] <MBisanz> didnt know that page existed Crossin?
[22:06] <Luna-San> MBisanz: Interesting AN/I thread XD
[22:06] <SteveCrossin> no I didnt
[22:07] <SteveCrossin> and dont call me crossin >_>
[22:07] <MBisanz> I could be like a certain MZMcBride and delete things at random
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[22:07] <SteveCrossin> heh
[22:07] <MBisanz> but no, I seek consensus for my admin actions
[22:07] <SteveCrossin> he's here O_O
[22:07] <SteveCrossin> ubad :p
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[22:08] <Gazimoff> MBisanz - Added per request
[22:09] <MBisanz> I noticed scarian's used it
[22:09] <MBisanz> he knows its supposed ot be substed?
[22:09] <Gazimoff> Possibly not. I'll fix now...
[22:09] * Gazimoff assumed he knew how to use block templates
[22:09] <MBisanz> never trust admins
[22:09] <MBisanz> we are idiots
[22:10] <BoL> ' it ok if i mention something regarding ED?
[22:10] <BoL> no link sinvolved
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[22:10] <Luna-San> Erectile dysfunction? Sounds like a personal problem. :x
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[22:11] <BoL> Luna-San: the other ED
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[22:11] <Yamakiri> BoL: Why?
[22:12] <Gazimoff> MBisanz: Subst'ing done
[22:12] <BoL> uh...I've been getting word that the Diesel vandal of de.wikipedia's organizing a vandalparty on 8/14
[22:12] <Yamakiri> So why not lock the database?
[22:12] <MBisanz> thanks, i usually have a bot do it Gaz, but the new template isnt in the code
[22:12] <MBisanz> i'll add it ina bit
[22:12] <Gazimoff> Heh, no worries :)
[22:13] <SteveCrossin> BoL:
[22:13] <Gazimoff> I'm just doing cleanup/rcp at the oment, so it's no biggie :)
[22:13] <AchedDamiman> by friends
[22:13] <AchedDamiman> see ya
[22:13] <BoL> yeah SteveCrossin?
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[22:13] <SteveCrossin> i've already told the german wikipedia
[22:13] <BoL> oh
[22:13] <BoL> ok
[22:13] <SteveCrossin> about 2 days ago
[22:13] <Luna-San> BoL: Aha. Any news as far as what they'll be doing, or it's just a raid in general?
[22:13] <SteveCrossin> :p
[22:13] <BoL> they know?
[22:13] <SteveCrossin> ya
[22:13] <BoL> Luna-San: I'm not sure
[22:13] <SteveCrossin> i posted on their ANI
[22:13] <BoL> I was thinking about raiding them
[22:14] <Yamakiri> BoL: Why'd you call me here?
[22:14] <BoL> Currently I have an account and am monitoring their activity
[22:14] <SteveCrossin>
[22:14] <BoL> Yamakiri: To see whether you'd be interested.
[22:14] <BoL> ok
[22:14] * Yamakiri is listening
[22:14] * Yamakiri feels bad, oh so bad
[22:14] <BoL> ok
[22:15] <SteveCrossin> so ya
[22:15] <BoL> them = ED
[22:15] <SteveCrossin> :P
[22:15] <SteveCrossin> Grawp's been a pain recently :|
[22:15] <BoL> yep
[22:15] <BoL> I was thinking about putting him in his place
[22:15] <BoL> is anyone interested?
[22:15] <SteveCrossin> how so? :P
[22:15] <SteveCrossin> yea
[22:16] <SteveCrossin> i now has a personal grudge against him
[22:16] <BoL> we technically vandalize their wiki or ask their host to shut it down
[22:16] <BoL> I think I know the founder
[22:16] <BoL> I think his name is Jameth
[22:16] <SteveCrossin> after what i saw on ACC >_>
[22:16] <BoL> am I not mistaken?
[22:16] <BoL> heh
[22:16] <Luna-San> Might want to discuss that somewhere more private
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[22:18] <ffm> ///
[22:18] <ffm> >_>
[22:18] <ffm> <_<
[22:21] <Gazimoff> Ian M Banks: The Player of Games
[22:22] <Gazimoff> Huggle files reports at AIV automatically too?
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[22:22] * Gazimoff gulps
[22:22] * Cream snuggles SteveCrossin
[22:23] * Cream snuggles BoL
[22:23] * Cream snuggles Luna-San
[22:23] * Cream snuggles Gazimoff
[22:23] * Luna-San purrs
[22:23] <Cream> pretty fireworks
[22:23] <Cream> and annoyed a few people
[22:24] * JC|Bored huggles Cream
[22:24] * Cream huggles JC|Bored
[22:24] <Cream> are you Jesus Christ?
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[22:25] <JC|Bored> I is teh User:Juliancolton :P
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[22:25] <Cream> :P
[22:25] * Luna-San <-- jesus
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[22:26] <WaRpAtH> O_O
[22:26] * WaRpAtH kills Luna-San 
[22:26] <Luna-San> :o How rude
[22:26] <WaRpAtH> yay he died for my sin \o/
[22:27] <Enok|Walker> Man I gave up my two biggest vices but now I'm bored
[22:27] * Cream snuggles WaRpAtH
[22:27] <WaRpAtH> hey w00ty :d
[22:27] -> *x* info =WaRpAtH
[22:27] <Enok|Walker> Maybe I will play SCRABBLE
[22:27] <Cream> maybe i'll scrabble your mind
[22:28] <Enok|Walker> ok
[22:28] <Gazimoff> Le sigh.....
[22:28] <Gazimoff>
[22:29] <Cream> Gazimoff, where do u live :)
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[22:29] <Gazimoff> England :)
[22:30] <Soxred93> Although, "I too am here to build this giant wiki. 
But that doesnt mean we can't mean make friends along the way." should go on my random quote page
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[22:32] <Gazimoff> I was thinking of something a bit further down
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[22:37] <animum> After a few initial oppose votes are cast, do some RfA-goers oppose just because 
they can easily say "per above" and echo some over-exaggerated flaw in the candidate?
[22:37] <animum> Or is that just me?
[22:37] <SynergeticMag> pretty much
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[22:37] <animum> Which one? >_>
[22:37] <SynergeticMag> it all depends on the depth of the opposition
[22:37] <Enok|Walker> yup
[22:37] <SynergeticMag> who it is, what the concern it
[22:37] <SynergeticMag> is*
[22:37] <SynergeticMag> -it
[22:38] <animum> Yeah.
[22:38] <Enok|Walker> I have to admit I've done that in both FACs and AFDs
[22:38] <SynergeticMag> same here
[22:38] <SynergeticMag> everyone does it from time to time
[22:38] <animum> I won't deny that I have
[22:38] <animum> :-p
[22:39] <SynergeticMag> i usually wait it out, see what it looks like after 3-4 days
[22:39] <animum> But it seems to happen a lot in RfA, and we're not discussing /articles/ 
in RfA; we're discussing actual people with feelings.
[22:39] <SynergeticMag> if no one has found anything wrong, that i missed, then i'll end up supporting
[22:39] <SynergeticMag> animum: yeah but those people still need to exercise neutrality
[22:40] <SynergeticMag> the candidates i mean
[22:40] <animum> I totally agree; the candidates shouldn't get involved
[22:40] <SynergeticMag> thats where the /support: user is mature/ comes in
[22:40] * Cream snuggles animum tightly until he chokes
[22:40] <animum> But stuff like '''strongest possible oppose''' is grossly unneeded
[22:40] <SynergeticMag> but thats usually only an issue when someone says 
/oppose: not mature enough/
[22:41] <SynergeticMag> yeah OM is a nut case
[22:41] <SynergeticMag> ;p
[22:41] <animum> :-p
[22:41] <Cream> I added a blinking support to Soxred93's RFA
[22:41] <SynergeticMag> i say that one i think
[22:41] <Soxred93> ping!
[22:41] <animum> And other superlative things like that, plus stuff like: '''Oppose''' 
- user is so-and-so years old
[22:41] <SynergeticMag> didn't someone say something to you about that Cream?
[22:42] <Gazimoff> SynergeticMag: If I ever think about doing an RfA, slap me.
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[22:42] <Soxred93> Nah, OhanaUnited removed it, I believe
[22:42] <SteveCrossin> Oppose: User has only been here X long
[22:42] <Soxred93> I thin kthat was it
[22:42] <SynergeticMag> Gazimoff: you have my word, it shall be done
[22:42] <animum> Oppose - User is not from the USA. ~~~~
[22:42] <Soxred93> Cream, thanks for rising me from the deak
[22:42] <Gazimoff> Danke
[22:42] <SteveCrossin> hey um
[22:42] <SteveCrossin> question
[22:42] <SynergeticMag> bitte
[22:42] <Soxred93> Animum, I'm safe from that one ;)
[22:42] <Soxred93> YEs, steveCrossin?
[22:42] <SteveCrossin> if Oversight and Checkuser were merged into one user group
[22:42] <animum> Soxred93, so am I. :-P
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[22:43] <SynergeticMag> SteveCrossin: lol
[22:43] <SteveCrossin> what would you think would be a good name for it?
[22:43] <Soxred93> Overuser!
[22:43] <SynergeticMag> checkovershit
[22:43] <Soxred93> Or Checksight
[22:43] <SteveCrossin> (the user group)
[22:43] <Soxred93> There we go!
[22:43] <SynergeticMag> SightCheck
[22:43] <animum> CheckOverUser
[22:43] <SynergeticMag> i doubt it would ever be merged
[22:43] <Soxred93> Check over Sight
[22:44] <Gazimoff> The "more buttons than you" group.
[22:44] <Soxred93> I don't care about sight, as long as I have my check!
[22:44] <SteveCrossin> lol
[22:44] <Soxred93> Nah, that only really applies to admins
[22:44] <SteveCrossin> overuser
[22:44] <animum> HahaIHaveARightThatYouDon't
[22:44] <SteveCrossin> lol
[22:44] <SteveCrossin> o_o
[22:44] <SteveCrossin>
[22:44] <SteveCrossin> :p
[22:44] <Soxred93> Rename autoconfirmed to that, just to piss off the IPs :P
[22:44] <Prodego> I like animum's, or SynergeticMag's first
[22:45] <animum> My first or second?
[22:45] <Prodego> second :P
[22:45] * Gazimoff prefers to have as few buttons as possible, as it's less opportunity to screw up
[22:45] <SynergeticMag> Gazimoff: but i do know that at least one person would say, 
in the event of your RfA /oppose: user wishes to reform RfA/
[22:45] <Gazimoff> SynergeticMag: I'd never do it while RREV is incomplete
[22:46] <SynergeticMag> thats going to be incomplete for a while...
[22:46] <animum> G'ngiht
[22:46] <SteveCrossin> i can haz mop? :)
[22:46] <animum> *G'night
[22:46] <SynergeticMag> night
[22:46] <SteveCrossin> obai
[22:46] <Gazimoff> SynergeticMag: And apart from what I've seen other people go through,
 I think it would distory my ability to remain neutral if I did
[22:46] * animum (n=magnusan@wikimedia/Animum) Quit 
("There are two different kinds of people in this world: those who finish what they start, and"#)
[22:47] <SteveCrossin> animum, lol
[22:47] <SynergeticMag> Gazimoff: other people aren't you, remember that
[22:47] <SynergeticMag> just be you, let them be them
[22:47] -ChanServ- [#unixpod] We have moved to the #unixpod channel on
[22:47] <SynergeticMag> other editors go through a bad rfa because the may go against a norm
[22:48] * CIreland (n=chatzill@ Quit 
("ChatZilla [Firefox]"#)
[22:48] * SteveCrossin eats RFA
[22:48] * outwin is now known as air_conditioner
[22:48] <SynergeticMag> and you never can tell until you find out in rfa ;)
[22:48] <SteveCrossin> air_conditioner: what kinda nickname is that?
[22:48] <SynergeticMag> a cold one
[22:48] <SteveCrossin> lol
[22:49] <air_conditioner> that's what she said :-P
[22:49] <SynergeticMag> heh
[22:49] * Soxred93 writes a bot that hacks a steward's account, 
desysop's everyone, sysop's itself, and then protects RfA, blanking the page.
[22:49] <SteveCrossin> lol
[22:49] * Soxred93 wins
[22:49] <Soxred93> Oh, and it sysop's me too :P
[22:49] <SynergeticMag> Soxred93: you missed a step
[22:49] <SteveCrossin> first thing I see when i load main page
[22:49] <SteveCrossin> "Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard" changed: "/* 
Are my eyes deceiving me? */ yes they are". (watchlist)
[22:50] <Soxred93> Doppelganger ftw!
[22:50] <Soxred93> SteveCrossin, what about it?
[22:50] <SteveCrossin> oh just amusing
[22:50] <JayHenry> I've often thought of writing the essay WP:We need less admins
[22:50] <SynergeticMag> what changed?
[22:51] <SynergeticMag> JayHenry: no, We need more admins who do more
[22:51] <SteveCrossin> heh
[22:51] <SynergeticMag> old accounts need to evaporate!
[22:51] <SteveCrossin> some admins just wont do certain things
[22:51] * Shiroi_Neko (n=wikipedi@ has joined #wikipedia-en
[22:51] <Cream> nite <3
[22:51] <SynergeticMag> well, we are all volunteers steve ;p
[22:51] <SynergeticMag> night Cream
[22:51] <JayHenry> yeah, i just disagree with all that
Session Close: Wed Jun 18 22:52:04 2008
....And that was three days of IRC logs, really two days and a dead day.