Saturday, November 19, 2022

More IRC stuff: Day after Thanksgiving, 2011

 What the day after Thanksgiving looked like on #wikipedia-en in 2011. There is no record for Thanksgiving that year.


 Session Start: Fri Nov 25 17:14:55 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
03[17:14] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
03[17:14] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests:'
03[17:14] * Set by derp! on Sun Oct 23 20:29:19
[17:14] #wikipedia-en url is
12[17:14] -ChanServ- [#wikipedia-fr] Canal en UTF-8. La diffusion publique de journaux de ce canal est interdite. Merci de lire et de contribuer à la bonne humeur du canal. Bonne journée !
[17:15] <MuZemike> I guess so :)
[17:15] <SpeakFree> There are several edits with that account:
06[17:17] * ToAruShiroiNeko proposes the closure of en.wikipedia and demands everyone start speaking swahili :p
[17:17] <Qcoder00> SpeakFree:  Not many of those look like useful edits
08[17:18] <derp> wtf, a Indiana Jones scence in Skyward Sword
[17:18] <Qcoder00> If he wants it deleted you may as well lock the account for 'test' edits...
[17:18] <matthewrbowker> ToAruShiroiNeko: I disagree, Klingon is a better language.
06[17:22] * Moe_Epsilon uploads a picture of medals he won for the amateur wrestling article :)
[17:24] <bily> Yah i requested username change since they can't delete the account
[17:25] <Nascar1996> HEHE
[17:26] <MuZemike> You wrestle?
[17:26] <Moe_Epsilon> I used to.
[17:26] <MuZemike> So did I
[17:26] <Moe_Epsilon> :)
[17:26] <matthewrbowker> bily: If you did, then just wait.  A bureaucrat will take care of it soon.
[17:27] <bily> thank you matthew --bily
[17:27] <matthewrbowker> No problem :)
[17:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> mattbuck but klingons also know swahili
[17:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko> wtf is this?
[17:31] <ToAruShiroiNeko>
Session Close: Fri Nov 25 17:31:30 2011

Session Start: Fri Nov 25 17:31:30 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
11[17:31] * Disconnected
Session Close: Fri Nov 25 17:31:32 2011

Session Start: Fri Nov 25 17:32:10 2011
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
03[17:32] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
03[17:32] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by the request | For urgent admin help, say !admin followed by the request | No public logging | Cloak requests:'
03[17:32] * Set by derp! on Sun Oct 23 20:29:19
[17:32] #wikipedia-en url is
03[17:32] * Barras is now known as Barras[away]
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[17:33] <matthewrbowker> ToAruShiroiNeko: :P
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[17:35] <Sp33dyphil> oh no
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[17:35] <matthewrbowker> :(
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[17:39] <Nascar1996> Any ideas on what WP:NASCAR's IRC name should be?
[17:39] <matthewrbowker> Channel name?
[17:40] <Nascar1996> Yes.
[17:40] <JeffPidginAFK> #wikipedia-NASCAR?
[17:40] <Gfoley4> Do you think you'd even have 3 members?
03[17:40] * JeffPidginAFK is now known as Jeff_G
[17:40] <Qcoder00> Doesn't stop there being a channel ;)
[17:40] <Gfoley4> wikiproject channels are good and all, but no purpose if it'll just be you.
[17:40] <Qcoder00> JeffPigin : Should be ##
[17:40] <Gfoley4> Qcoder00: no.
[17:41] <SpeakFree> How do you setup domains to so you can do something like
[17:41] <Gfoley4> # for wikipedia channels
[17:41] <Jeff_G> SpeakFree: make 300 series redirects after buying domains
[17:41] <Nascar1996>
[17:41] <Qcoder00> Gfoley4: I could get #wikipedia-filegnome if I asked?
[17:41] <Nascar1996> We have more than 3 memeber.
[17:41] <Gfoley4> why not?
[17:41] <Nascar1996> *members.
06[17:41] * SpeakFree just registered and redirected it to
[17:42] <Gfoley4> yes, but are any of those on IRC?
[17:42] <Qcoder00> Gfoley4: It's called #Wikimedia-commons;)
[17:42] <Qcoder00> XD
[17:42] <Gfoley4> bahaha
[17:42] <SpeakFree> had some credit left in my namecheap account
[17:42] <Nascar1996> Gfoley: They can be. Most probably never heard of IRC.
08[17:42] * derp is writing a wikipedia URL shortener.
[17:43] <Nascar1996> The only  way I noticed it was Wikinews.
[17:43] <matthewrbowker> SpeakFree: I *think* you can do it with a 403 redirect... not sure though.
[17:43] <Bono> derp: Uh...
08[17:43] <derp> Bono, :P
[17:43] <Jeff_G> derp, tried
[17:43] <SpeakFree> redirects to but other variants are pretty much taken up by domain name hawks.
08[17:44] <derp> Jeff_G, already taken.
08[17:44] <derp> but a great domain hack
[17:44] <Nascar1996> Gfoley4: Did you see my comments above?
08[17:44] <derp>
[17:44] <Gfoley4> I did.
08[17:44] <derp>
[17:44] <Moe_Epsilon> wiki.en
08[17:45] <derp> expires in 09 Jan 2012
[17:45] <tommorris> you might be able to get
[17:45] <Nascar1996> So... ?
03[17:45] * mabdul|dog is now known as mabdul
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[17:46] <Nascar1996> Eh, nevermind.
[17:46] <Gfoley4> It's fine. Idgaf, remember?
[17:46] <Gfoley4> ;)
08[17:46] <derp> tommorris already registered
[17:47] <Qcoder00> Gfoley: Whats an ID gaff?
[17:47] <tommorris> derp: ah, sigh
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[17:47] <Qcoder00> An id gaffe is what happen when Boris forgets himslef ;)
[17:47] <matthewrbowker> Hey, has anyone seen sonia recently?
[17:47] <Qcoder00> matthewrbowker:   Why ?
[17:47] <Gfoley4> I-don't-give-a-fuck.
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[17:48] <matthewrbowker> Qcoder00: I was working with her on a potential FL when her internet craped out.  I was kinda wondering if she got it back and was able to look at the page.
[17:49] <Qcoder00> Is Paynd still here?
[17:49] <mabdul> ToAruShiroiNeko: still there?
[17:49] <Qcoder00> Panyd : Evening
[17:49] <Panyd> Hey Qcoder00
[17:49] <Panyd> I am barely here
[17:49] <Panyd> but here
[17:49] <Panyd> hows?
[17:50] <Qcoder00> Just meaning to ask if you had the time to check some contrinutions
[17:50] <Qcoder00> *contributions
[17:50] <mabdul> derp:
08[17:51] * derp checks.
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[17:52] <mabdul>
[17:52] <mabdul> derp: ^
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08[17:52] <derp> taken.
[17:52] <mabdul> although secure should also be forwarded -_-
[17:52] <mabdul> derp: click the link
08[17:52] <derp> heh ;P
[17:53] <Panyd> Qcoder00: Alas no, I have taken my evenings meds and as such am only participating in the 'viewing' aspect of the itnernet
08[17:53] <derp> meds for what?
[17:53] <Qcoder00> Panyd: What is it about the net?
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[17:53] <Qcoder00> Why is it all the inteligent females I meet seem to have medical conditions :(
[17:53] <Nascar1996> #Nascar1996 :-D
[17:54] <Panyd> Qcoder00: Because if I were well enough to get out of the house and have a proper job I wouldn't be on here all dya :P
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[17:54] <Qcoder00> At least you aren't boiling rabbits
[17:54] <Qcoder00> ;)
03[17:54] * LauraHale is now known as Laura|Away
[17:54] <Qcoder00> (Although I can imagine Pesky casseroleing a couple of rabbits for dinner ) :)
[17:54] <SigmaWP> O.o
[17:55] <mabdul> Nascar1996: get a better "sport"... like formula 1 XD
[17:55] <Qcoder00> mabdul: NASCAR  IS a proper sport
[17:55] <Qcoder00> XD
[17:56] <Gfoley4> Nascar1996: that should be ##, bud.
08[17:56] * derp hugs Laura|Away
08[17:56] * derp hugs Gfoley4
08[17:57] * derp hugs Panyd
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06[17:57] * Nascar1996 is fixing it.
08[17:57] * derp hugs harej
08[17:57] * derp hugs Nascar1996
[17:57] <Qcoder00> derp: Do you have a hugging permit?
06[17:57] * SigmaWP feels unhugged
08[17:57] * derp hugs SigmaWP
08[17:57] <derp> Qcoder00, from Fluffernutter, yes.
[17:57] <SigmaWP> :D
08[17:57] * derp hugs Fluffernutter
[17:57] <Fluffernutter> whut
[17:58] <Qcoder00> Fluffernutter:  You have granted derp 'hug' userright?
08[17:58] <derp> Fluffernutter, remember when you gave me a hugging permit?
06[17:58] * Panyd loves her some derp hug
08[17:58] -> -Fluffernutter- say yes :P and make some bullshit :P
06[17:58] * Fluffernutter eyes this conversation and decides it might be time to eat some leftovers
[17:58] <Qcoder00> Leftovers?
[17:58] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish:  Ping
[17:59] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish: You know what Bublle and Squeak is?
[17:59] <Gfoley4>
08[17:59] <derp> my pokémon have leftovers as a held item
[17:59] <BarkingFish> Qcoder00: yep, basically leftover fried up veg mixed with mashed potato, served as a side I belive
[18:00] <Qcoder00> :)
08[18:00] <derp> deep fry it :D
[18:00] <BarkingFish> Qcoder00: PM please, relatively fast
08[18:00] * derp deepfries SigmaWP
[18:00] <SigmaWP> :(
06[18:01] * SigmaWP is too skinny to be deep-fried
[18:01] <Nascar1996> ##Nascar1996 :-)
[18:01] <Bono> SigmaWP: But you're the size of a french frie!
[18:01] <SigmaWP> :|
[18:02] <Nascar1996> ?
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08[18:13] * derp hugs franny
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[18:14] <SigmaWP> Aw.
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[18:21] <SigmaWP> Hmph.
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[18:23] <eeekster> with enough batter anything can be deep fried ;)
[18:24] <Jeff_G> even ice cream or snickers
[18:24] <eeekster> even butter
[18:25] <SigmaWP> Work on the USSR or coal balls?
[18:25] <eeekster> sure
[18:26] <SigmaWP> Not sure how that answer makes sense
[18:26] <SigmaWP> I'll do coal balls
[18:26] <eeekster> only from male coal?
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[18:28] <eeekster> the "Gallery of new files" needs a way to filter out a user
06[18:29] * SigmaWP sighs
06[18:29] * SigmaWP grumbles
[18:29] <SigmaWP> Too much work to do
[18:29] <SigmaWP> So little time
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[18:30] <eeekster> "Work!" Maynard G. Krebs
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[18:30] <SigmaWP> Yay, I found a mention of Soviet coal balls! :D
[18:30] <SigmaWP> u_abusebeercans: .....
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[18:30] <SigmaWP> Rainbow Dash, right?
[18:30] <Nascar1996> Iamred ????
[18:31] <u_abusebeercans> yes
[18:33] <SigmaWP> u_abusebeercans: FWIW, is a wholly inappropriate edit summary
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[18:35] <u_abusebeercans> you need to stop stalking my ass.
[18:35] <u_abusebeercans> i mean good god.
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[18:36] <SigmaWP> u_abusebeercans: NPP gets boring. Pulling up a list of random users' contribs helps to alleviate the boredom accrued from monotonous, rote tagging.
[18:36] <Nascar1996> Hmm
[18:37] <UnknownFork> YOU
[18:37] <SigmaWP> UnknownFork: What?
[18:37] <UnknownFork> Nascar1996 made fun of my religion :(
[18:37] <SigmaWP> UnknownFork: Wrong wiki.
[18:37] <matthewrbowker> UnknownFork: What you were doing is called spam :(
[18:37] <Nascar1996> Hehe
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[18:38] <Nascar1996> Anyone like to see what really happened?
[18:38] <SigmaWP> Sure.
[18:38] <Nascar1996> <Iamred> Islam is beautiful
[18:38] <Nascar1996> <UnknownFork> Islam makes me cry, I knew Allah. He was a top guy. He gave me a mosque
[18:38] <Nascar1996> <Nascar1996> This is not a place to talk about that.
[18:38] <Nascar1996> <UnknownFork> You being discriminatory against my religion????????????????
[18:38] <Nascar1996> <Nascar1996> Nope.
[18:38] <Nascar1996> <Nascar1996> This isn't a place to speak religion.
[18:38] <Nascar1996> <Nascar1996> Go to another channel to do that.
[18:38] <Nascar1996> <UnknownFork> You called Muhammad fat! :(
[18:38] <Nascar1996> <Nascar1996> Thats it.
[18:38] <Nascar1996> Then I set a ban on him.
[18:39] <UnknownFork> FAKE
[18:39] <Moe_Epsilon> o_O
[18:39] <SigmaWP> UnknownFork: That's what they all say...
[18:39] <SigmaWP> Nascar1996: Next time. use a pastebin
[18:39] <matthewrbowker> I concur with Nascar1996 That's exactly what I saw.
[18:39] <UnknownFork> It would show time stamps if it was real
[18:39] <SigmaWP> UnknownFork: Some clients don't have timestamps
[18:39] <UnknownFork> Mine does
[18:39] <SpitfireWP> UnknownFork, enough.
[18:39] <UnknownFork> ok
[18:39] <SigmaWP> UnknownFork: Apparently Nascar1996's doesn't. Now if you want to stay here, shut up
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[18:41] <eeekster> my client doesn't do timestamps
[18:41] <Nascar1996> Eh.
[18:41] <SigmaWP> Is A7-able?
[18:41] <Nascar1996> Mine has it, but it won't let me copy them.
[18:42] <UnknownFork> What client?
[18:42] <SigmaWP> eeekster: Please A7 that above page. Thanks.
[18:42] <Nascar1996> Xchat
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[18:42] <SpitfireWP> Nascar1996: hold shift as you're selecting the text.
[18:43] <SpitfireWP> Works wonders.
[18:43] <Nascar1996> Ah.
[18:43] <eeekster> I'm trying to figure it out
[18:43] <eeekster> yep, I see an A7 in its future
[18:44] <SigmaWP> Onward with the meteors, then.
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[18:45] <evilgohan2> Greetings
[18:45] <SigmaWP> Hi.
[18:45] <eeekster> religion:
[18:45] <Nascar1996> Hi
[18:45] <eeekster> ;lo
[18:45] <evilgohan2> Tell me I haven't walked into a religious argument haha
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[18:46] <Nascar1996> No, that was on another channel
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[18:59] <SigmaWP> eeekster: Hehehe
[18:59] <SigmaWP>
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06[19:02] * Peter-C eats Panyd
06[19:02] * Peter-C noms
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06[19:03] * Nascar1996 waves at Qcoder00
[19:03] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish: Sorry , my connection dropped
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[19:04] <BarkingFish> mine too, i was on the verge of pinging out due to working on an etherpad at the same time
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[19:04] <mabdul> BarkingFish: can you check please if this is similar to
[19:05] <mabdul> ?
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[19:06] <SigmaWP> Hm!
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06[19:08] * SigmAway prods tommorris
[19:08] <SigmAway> If you don't do anything about CAT:CSD when you get admin tools, there'll be murder.
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[19:09] <tommorris> heh
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06[19:09] * tommorris could delete the whole category.
[19:10] <mabdul> BarkingFish: WHY DO YOU IGNORE ME? XD
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[19:10] <BarkingFish> because I'm in 20 other channels and can't be everywhere at once, mabdul - there's 177 people here, find one :)
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[19:11] <mabdul> heh
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[19:12] <SigmAway> mabdul: Why did you tell me?
[19:12] <SigmAway> on commons
[19:12] <mabdul> ?
[19:12] <mabdul> on commons?
[19:13] <SigmAway> God...
[19:13] <Peter-C> FU
[19:13] <mabdul> I did tag you?
[19:13] <Peter-C> WHERE IS SPYDELL
[19:13] <Peter-C> >:|
[19:13] <mabdul> what did you upload?
[19:13] <SigmAway> mabdul: It was discussed over IRC
[19:13] <SigmAway> The person said he sent an email to
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06[19:13] * Nascar1996 wonders if we are allowed to put our IRC channels on our user page.
[19:14] <SigmAway> Demiurge1000: Bye.
06[19:14] * SigmAway is off to take out the trash
[19:14] <mabdul> SigmAway: SigmAway: sry. I don't get it. which image, which irc chat? Am I able to follow all?
[19:14] <Demiurge1000> Good luck!
[19:14] <mabdul> yeah
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[19:14] <Demiurge1000> Nascar1996: You mean listing which ones you commonly use? Sure, why not?
[19:15] <mabdul> ohhhh
[19:15] <Nascar1996> Our own, like ##Nascar1996.
[19:15] <mabdul> i really taged sigma
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[19:15] <mabdul> SigmAway: <-- how should I know that there is a) an otrs ticket? and b) why did you upload it?
[19:15] <mabdul> I even didn't checked who uploaded it
[19:16] <mabdul> and still: the image is not released under cc-0 unless I get the license link!
[19:16] <mabdul> (and how can I turn off the notification of the uploader at commons?!?)
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[19:19] <BarkingFish> Peter-C: I've seen everything now.
[19:19] <BarkingFish> How's this? A paralympic medallist lost the use of her legs after suffering spinal damage 20 years ago, she's been handcycling ever since.
[19:20] <BarkingFish> Last year, she got hit by another competitor during a race, and she's regained full use of her legs, the accident reversed the damage she'd suffered to cause the loss of use in the first place
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[19:21] <BarkingFish>
[19:21] <matthewrbowker> BarkingFish: O.O
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[19:22] <BarkingFish> I've encountered and worked with Spinal Injury before, but a recovery of limb use & sensation after 20 years without surgical intervention??? Even I'm lost on that one.
[19:22] <Nascar1996> O.o
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[19:24] <geniice> either dislodging of inconveniently placed scar tissue or damage triggering nerve regrowth in just the right place
[19:24] <BarkingFish> sorry, lost my connection
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[19:24] <Pilif12p> BarkingFish: netsplit
[19:24] <BarkingFish> nah, this wasn't a split - my wifi went down
[19:25] <BarkingFish> I just had to swap over. If you had a netsplit at the same time, pure coincidence :)
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[19:38] <SpeakFree> Has anyone seen last night's Question Time with out Dear Leader Jimmy Wales?
[19:39] <Nascar1996> No.
[19:39] <SpeakFree>
06[19:39] * Nascar1996 passes up the opportunity.
[19:39] <SpeakFree> The proxy still works.
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[19:40] <SpeakFree> Can't blame you he looks a bit a fish out of the water answering questions about British industrial action politics ^^
08[19:41] <derp> SpeakFree, i used to abuse proxies :P
Session Close: Fri Nov 25 19:42:03 2011


Wednesday, November 9, 2022

Book Review: "We'll Tell You What To Think" by Professor T.J. Coles

There are no magazine reviews anywhere for this self-published book, which came out last summer. So it falls on this blog to attempt a review.

We'll Tell You What To Think, T.J. Coles. Self-published by "Ursa Major" in Las Vegas, NV. 319 pages.

No “legitimate” publication has done a review of this work, so far as we know, which leaves us with the task of reviewing Professor Coles’ book. From the start let me say that this book has made large parts of this website and Wikipediocracy obsolete. Coles has not focused on the granular details like Wikipedia Sucks! or Gender Desk; he sees Wikipedia as an extension of how Washington and mainstream media (which follows Washington’s lead) would like certain topics to be seen. In many ways We’ll Tell You What to Think is a companion of websites like CounterPunch, Richard Silverstein’s Tikun Olam blog, Z Communications (Z Magazine) and Robin Ramsey’s Lobster magazine.

“In addition to the reputational protection afforded by anonymity, consider the exclusion of self-proclaimed Marxist editors. In September 2008, a Wikipedia administrator sent out a request for colleagues to back their nomination in support of a new administrator, Lorry; a skilled Wikipedia editor who later became a member of the Polish branch of the organization’s Arbitration Committee. Because Lorry failed to reach the required 85 percent votes, her nomination fell. One of the administrators who blocked Lorry’s nomination was Prot, a Wikipedian reportedly known for their divisive tactics and right-wing views. Prot’s objection was that Lorry was an open Trotskyite. During the debate for the vote, Prot asked colleagues: ‘How many users would vote for a candidate, who, just one day before…..on their own userpage would declare ‘This user loves Adolf Hitler’?’. Having made the comparison between Hitler and Trotsky, Prot went on to call Trotsky “one of the biggest murderers and criminals in world history [sic].” True or not, colleagues raised the point that political beliefs should not influence editorial appointments as long as the appointee’s work follows the neutrality principle. In the end a Lorry defender, Dariusz Jemielniak, ended up getting a 24-hour ban by the Arbitration Committee for hurting Prot’s feelings during a discussion on the topic. Jemielniak’s treatment by people he considered friends left him feeling wronged and ‘with no recourse.’”  (pp. 22-23, Wikipedia handles in quotation marks in original.) On the same page (p. 23) Coles states that the WikiMedia Foundation taking money from wealthy people and organizations is “a prima facie conflict of interest issue.”  On the next page he mentions the 2011 leak that Gregory Kohs wrote about in The Examiner and on his mywikibiz website, and lists off the secret famous donors and organizations: Jeff Bezos, Warren Buffett, ex-US President Jimmy Carter, Anurag Dikshit (gambling software programmer and billionaire), Arianna Huffington, the now-deceased David Koch of “Koch Brothers” infamy, Pierre Omidyar (eBay, also Glenn Greenwald’s boss), Mark Zuckerberg before Meta began ruining his life, Larry Page and Sergei Brin of Google, the arch-conservative website Newsmax, and Ron Unz ( wealthy tech entrepreneur, Republican candidate, operator of The Unz Report website.) And they are not all; Apple, AIG Insurance, BlackRock (the hedge fund), Netflix, Nike, Boeing, also have given the WMF cash. It’s very much the question we have to ask of the US “public television” network PBS; if you have to get cash from John M. Olin’s foundation, Charles Koch (of the aforementioned Koch Brothers), Boeing, and other corporate funders, is it actually a public TV network, or just free advertising?

The real meat of the book is a series of “content analysis”, i.e. chapters with titles like “USA vs. Russia”, “Climate Change”, “Iraq Blockade” (the 1990-2003 one that also had “no fly” zones). T.J. Coles is merciless in each chapter, and the fourth chapter on nuclear war is worth the price of the book; even the initial definition of what a Nuclear War is pretends that a) nuclear wars have been fought (the United States has only accomplished two nuclear bombings of Axis Japanese cities in 1945, though the US and USSR came close to nuclear war repeatedly during the Cold War, either deliberately or by accident) and that b) they are survivable somehow, even with thermonuclear bombs.

Nuclear Winter does not really count on Wikipedia, nor do the various anti-nuclear weapons groups (which Wikipedia treats like historical antiquities.) That we no longer truly live in a MAD (mutually assured destruction) world seems to have brushed past whomever writes the articles on en.Wikipedia. These writers also support the historical framework that the US had to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (pp. 128-132) because an invasion of Japan would have been a bloodbath, even though the Japanese Army was badly mangled and both the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force and the IJN Air Arm were mostly converted into kamikaze aircraft. The possibility of Japanese ground resistance being sporadic sniper attacks, booby-trapped roads, and peasants flinging Molotov cocktails made out of special earthenware jars is not discussed on en.Wikipedia much. The truth that President Truman dropped the bombs before the Soviet Workers’ and Peasants’ Red Army could invade Hokkaido in 1945, because Washington was terrified of Communism spreading inside Japan once the Imperialists were out, is avoided by Wikipedia (pp 133-136).

So what is to be done? T.J. Coles wants the editorial body democratized on the last page of the book. What he does not say is that this will require a body of Wikipedia editors, nor does he point out that the pool of actual human editors is shrinking down to nothing. As for We'll Tell You What To Think, it needs to be picked up by a real publisher like Verso or McGraw-Hill. Buy this book while you can.



                                                Professor T.J. Coles