Wednesday, February 26, 2020

Kinda-Wikipedia: James Randi and the Trail of Wreckage Behind Him

This began as a series of emails between myself and Eric Barbour on Randall James Zwinge (James Randi) this summer. Pretty much I am writing about James Randi because he is 91 years old at time of posting, and I fear that if he were to die in the next six months that a "canonization" would begin from the remains of the James Randi Educational Foundation, the people at CSI(COP) who are still fans, his former JREF message board (now run by "International Skeptics" maybe-group), and various others. Had he died a decade ago, the resistance, fanboy rage, and other irrationalities would have made talking about Randi's darker aspects online nearly impossible. As it is, his Wikipedia BLP (biography) has people watching it. One of my sources for this article was Tim Cridland's 2016 review of Randi's biographic documentary An Honest Liar (2014) for which Cridland set up a one-shot blog. Tim Cridland has a background both in investigative reporting through his unfortunately-defunct 'zine Off the Deep End and in the sort of stage performance James Randi started out in - Cridland is also "Zamora the Torture King" a sideshow human blockhead. Randi started out as "Randall the Telepath", but then we are getting ahead of ourselves.

Randi up to 1968

Randall James Zwinge was born in Toronto, Canada on August 7, 1928. He dropped out of Canadian high school at the age of 17, and started doing magic for a travelling carnival - he was into magic since childhood when he had seen Henry Blackstone, Sr. perform, and doing card tricks passed the time when he was in a cast after a childhood bicycle accident. For a lot of his early career (1946 onward) he seemed to orbit around Toronto doing both the aforementioned stage mentalist act ("Randall the Telepath"), doing escapism magic (he liked escaping from straightjackets while hanging upside-down in the air - he later mocked that bit in a cameo on Happy Days in 1978) and being involved with the Toronto Globe and Mail's predecessor Midnight, which was a nightlife publication in the 1950s. Cridland mentions this publication in his 2013 interview with Radio Misterioso (Greg Bishop) on the predecessor article to the movie review, a 2012 The Anomalist magazine article titled "The Real James Randi." What Cridland discovered is that Randi is rather loose with recounting his own past - before he was a high school dropout he allegedly destroyed a Spiritualist church through his understanding of "cold reading" as a teenager. But had he? Was there such a church or group? Cridland in his interview says he could not find any scrap of proof that the incident occurred.

The "Randall the Telepath" act had that same problem - according to Cridland he advertised himself as an actual telepath, not a stage act. He also made predictions or psychic "detective work" for money as late as the age of 26:

.....In the early days Randi represented himself to the public and to the media as a genuine mind reader. In later interviews and accounts he would always claim he did this only briefly, but the historical record shows that this went on from his teens until at least the age of 26. The film shows a very public prediction that Randi, then known as Randall Zwinge, made for a Toronto newspaper. In the film Randi says the prediction, which seemingly foretells the outcome of the World Series, happened when he was 21.
 In a self-recorded interview, Randi would say that he was always able to talk his way out if a reporter or interviewer would bring past claims of being psychic. Over the years Randi has a tale of a man from Florida who came to visit him believing he had genuine psychic powers and offered him money to give him information. In one version, told in Randi's book Conjuring [1992], he wants to know the outcome of horses races. Randi then elaborates on the moral dilemma this caused him and states that that was one of the reasons he dropped the whole phony psychic routine. In AHL, Randi's friend, magician Penn Jillette, talks of this time in Randi's life and says that is commendable that “...he backed away from it." 
 The problem is that Randi has said he backed away, but the record shows he went back to it again and again. Randi's account in Conjuring refers to the World Series prediction and states that he was "eighteen years old" when this occurred. There are other accounts of similar predictions from different years. Both my article and AHL show that Randi's claims of being psychic went on for at least eight years beyond his supposed encounter with the unnamed man from Florida. Randi's reasons for dropping the psychic routine are much more likely related to his success as a stage magician and escape artist than a moral dilemma.
 Although Randi and his associates demand a high criteria for accuracy in the people and claims they scrutinize, Randi gets away with slippery story telling.....

And this isn't even mentioning his time doing horoscopes as "Zo-ran" in Midnight - today he would say "it was an experiment in gullibility", back then he was doing it for a paycheck.

By the early 1960s Randi was in New York City, living in Greenwich Village and doing regular stage magic while also appearing on Long John Nebel's WOR-AM radio talk show. When Nebel left that station to go to syndication, James Randi took over the show. Along the way Randi came into contact with James Moseley, the editor of Saucer News (later Saucer Smear); we don't know if they ran into each other through Nebel's show or the Joe Pyne syndicated TV talk show (Moseley made a number of appearances on The Joe Pyne Show - Pyne was a conservative talk show host well-known for his "Beef Box" segment where people could voice whatever annoyed them). Either way, they became friendly, Randi interviewed Moseley's associate Grey Barker, and Timothy "Mr. UFO" Beckley, who was sharing office space with James Moseley at 303 Fifth Avenue in New York City. On the ground floor was the then recently-installed FAO Schwartz toy store while the Moseley-Beckley office was a small space floors up. Randi was impressed with Beckley, who was on his way to being a prolific author/publisher of UFO and paranormal books of varying quality and later founder of the 1970s UFO Investigators League (which died by the early 1980s and was revived in 1990 only to die again). According to Beckley:

"...Randi and I shared a small office at 303 Fifth Ave in Manhattan that was also occupied by Jim Moseley of UFO fame. I traveled with Randi to several of his gigs. I remember one in particular at a high school gym where he levitated a young lady and the curtain shook behind him." Beckley told me that Randi wanted him to be his manager and this is why he accompanied him to some of his shows. That's right, Randi wanted Mr. UFO to be his manager.
Nothing came of it, but Randi did attend the 1967 Congress of Scientific Ufologists run by Moseley, and was photographed by UFO contactee Frank Stranges, standing next to Andy "The Mystic Barber" Sinatra, and the photo was put in Stranges' book Stranger at the Pentagon (two words: "Valiant Thor.") Below is the photo, screen-captured from Cridland's blog; notice that Randi has his "The Amazing" moniker already.

When the Table Flipped: 1973

After his time on WOR was up, Randi continued to do his stage act. According to the Internet Movie Database, he appeared in the pilot and on a few test segments of Sesame Street in 1969. Wikipedia claims that Randi appeared as "The Magic Clown" in a 1970 Canadian revival of the ancient 1949-1959 Bonomo Magic Clown show. The original was little more than magician Sam Wishner doing his pre-existing Zovello character making (Bonomo's) Turkish taffy appear and disappear for audiences of fez-wearing kids - the Montreal-taped version had the clown and God-knows-what went on for thirty minutes. I have not been able to find a photo of Randi in his clown getup, video of the show, etc. I can tell you that Wishner quit the original in 1952 and the Bonomo clown was played by different actors/mimes/magicians until the show was cancelled. In any case, the Canadian version only lasted until 1971. Two years later Uri Geller hit the United States and that's when Randi became a skeptic.

Before we talk about about why Randi went skeptic, we need to talk about organized skepticism itself. Pretty much there were no organizations of skeptics outside of academia after ancient Greece, unless you want to count the Fortean Society run by Tiffany Thayer from 1931 to his death in 1959; Charles Hoy Fort was an arch-doubter of the weird stuff he researched. (Of course today's skeptics do not consider Fort to be one of their own.) By the 1970s the American Humanist Association (founded in 1941) had grown large enough to consider backing a skeptical organization, which they did after the AHA magazine The Humanist published the statement "Objections to Astrology" in their September-October 1975 issue. Unfortunately they also took on Michel Gauquelin's "Mars Effect" theory, which became part of a fiasco for the newly-assembled "Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal" (CSICOP) that Wikipedia is still trying to minimize forty years later. So who was part of CSICOP when it started? There were the big names like Carl Sagan (who had stopped being open-minded about UFOs after the Condon Committee report came out in 1969) and Isaac Asimov (scientist, atheist, author on a number of subjects, owner of roving hands), but those people didn't do any work, just lent gravitas to the group. The real workers were guys like Martin Gardner (science and math writer, magician); Marcello Truzzi (edited The Zetetic, the first CSICOP magazine, also professor of Sociology and a magician); Phil Klass (avionics expert, UFO debunker, master of the poison pen); and Joe Nickell (field debunker, magician, appeared on In Search of.... in 1979 to demonstrate how the Shroud of Turin could have been faked using bas relief method, numerous TV appearances since). You are probably noticing that there are a lot of magicians already, without mentioning that Randi was there from the beginning. George P. Hansen wrote a paper on CSICOP in 1992 - he lists thirteen names of notable magicians who were involved with the group from 1976 to 1992 and I've named four of them. (More on that later.) The final two people involved with early CSICOP were the astronomer Dennis Rawlins (who was still angry about his treatment twenty years later), and the founder Paul Kurtz, who was part of the AHA and also owner/manager of Prometheus Books (founded 1969) which had been doing skepticism in book form - this would become a one-two punch in the 1980s; people would debunk things in Skeptical Inquirer, then a book would be written doing a longer debunking later and that would be "case closed" on the issue - even though many of the issues "debunked" kept showing up. (Case in point: Phil Klass wrote a book published by Prometheus in 1989, UFO Abductions: A Dangerous Game making a case that it was all hysteria and hype, yet to this day there are witnesses making the basic claim that odd humanoids show up in their houses at night, either to pass along bizarre information, or conduct examinations, or amble through the building before they vanish. Night terrors? Or topics made unpalatable for research by CSICOP's campaigns?) It should also be pointed out that Prometheus Books (according to Hansen) is one of the few outsider organizations that advertised in magazines for stage magicians.

Before we turn back to Randi and Uri Geller, we need to define just what modern skepticism is. In short it is the return of logical positivism, a 1920s ramping up of August Comte's work in philosophy, and LP was practiced by the "Vienna circle" under Moritz Schlick; the group were scientific-oriented philosophers and philosophy-oriented scientists who met in cafes to hammer issues out. The only truths that counted in logical positivism were scientific ones - metaphysics was strictly valueless, a word game. The philosophy spread into the English-speaking world thanks to the exile of Austrian academics in the late 1930s, then petered out after the 1950s - either the science had gotten too complicated or logical positivism was seen as too confining or quantum theory predicted the rise of philosophical postmodernism. The difference with the new skepticism is that it was run by scientists with no philosophical backing and it had certain American proclivities - it was economically neo-liberal ("deregulated markets") and had that upper middle class orientation that Ivy League professors were supposed to hold, with the quiet belief that the American masses were gullible and needed to be lead. The membership of CSICOP was mostly male and older and this would later create friction when younger people got into skepticism in the George W. Bush years, especially females and openly gay people.

Uri Geller (b. 1946) seemed to come from nowhere when he hit America in the early 1970s, and his act infuriated Randi. Geller claimed he had gotten his powers by being zapped by a UFO as a child, but he had quickly become a big deal as a male model and nightclub performer in his native Israel in the late 1960s. Maybe it was the fact that Geller had moved so fast, or possibly Randi had begun doubting the odd things that he talked about on WOR - allegedly the "million dollar challenge" began as a "thousand dollar challenge" in 1964, and at the 1967 Congress for Scientific Ufologists he was quoted by a Washington Post reporter: "Let's not fool ourselves. There are some garden variety liars involved in all this. But in among all the trash and nonsense perpetrated in the name of Ufology, I think there is a small grain of truth." According to Tim Cridland in an interview with Craig Bishop (Radio Misterioso), Randi later claimed that Geller was stealing his business, but that this was not the case - Cridland claims that the number of shows he did was the same. We are not Randi's biographer; we don't have his private notes, emails, and memoranda so we can't "read his mind"......that written, Geller got under Randi's skin deeply and for the rest of his life, Randi was involved with various fracases with the Israeli.

"Starbaby" and Dennis Rawlins

The initial 1975 ad promoting CSICOP in The Humanist was titled "Objections to Astrology" in conjunction with an article critical of astrology that took potshots at the work of Michel and Francoise Gauquelin, "neo-astrologers" who had discovered a thing in 1955 called "the Mars Effect." Through statistics the Gauquelins had discovered that athletes born when Mars was "in ascension" (from ground-level on Earth, Mars appears to be at different heights above the horizon at different times of the year) seemed to perform better than those born when Mars was not. The article that slammed the "Mars Effect" was written by Lawrence Jerome and his math was not as good as M. Gauquelin's and the couple was willing to sue Jerome or the AHA. Paul Kurtz, American Humanist Assoc. honcho and founder/operator of Prometheus Books wanted a proper debunking, so he dragged CSICOP co-founder Dennis Rawlins in to do the job.....Rawlins was an astronomer, after all. In 1981, Rawlins sent Fate magazine the article "sTARBABY" outlining what an utter mess this attempted debunking was. It started off with a two week deadline, then evolved into a "Challenge" by UCLA astronomer George Abell and Marvin Zelen (head of the statistical laboratory at SUNY-Buffalo and later Harvard Universtity.) Rawlins spent a year examining the Effect, had written an article correcting Jerome's blunders within Kurtz' fortnight deadline (The Humanist published the correction/response). Meanwhile Zelen and Abell had not carried out their "Challenge" experiment. CSICOP was formally founded during the Walpurgisnacht-May Day (4-30 to 5-1) holiday* in Buffalo, NY in 1976. The two day event had heavy press coverage, or as Rawlins put it in "sTARBABY": 

......I gave one of the Founders' Day speeches. It contained enough good press copy and one-liners to get me selected for the nine-man ruling Council of CSICOP.
    Founders' Day was above all a media event. Reporters were wooed and catered to. I certainly had no objection to that, having had largely pleasant encounters with the media. But I was naive about the one overriding reality: a Committee that lives by the media will inevitably be ruled by its publicists, not by its scholars.  
 I would encourage the reader to click on the link above to read the entire article because the situation just gets more and more complicated as Paul Kurtz starts deflecting and the Abell-Zelen team pick up more supporters and time drags on and the late Seventies slip by without CSICOP doing the experiment, though Rawlins was doing the math by computer with an assistant and trying to figure a way of explaining the alleged Effect. Because this post is about Randi, however, what I can say is that in Rawlins' recounting, James Randi is hovering in the background until near the end when in late 1978:

 .....Randi and I drove to Washington together on December 4. Late that afternoon while Michael Hutchinson and I were in Randi's suite, Kurtz called to speak with me.
    He immediately accused me of lying and conspiring against him (this only a few days after trying to organize a secret movement to have me thrown off the Council for the crime of dissent). [8]  I asked him to cite a single falsehood l'd ever told him. Unable to name one, he asked me to say what I thought his deceits were. I offered to provide a partial catalog if he were really interested -- but would do it at the Council meeting the next day.
    Kurtz wanted to know if I intended to attack sTARBABY at the press conference. When I refused to make any promises, Kurtz grew more furious. We couldn't have a "schism," he said.
    Council met the next day at Councilor Phil Klass' apartment. I noticed that Randi was his usual friendly self when Kurtz wasn't around but when he was within earshot Randi made different noises. He repeatedly cracked loudly, "Drink the Kool-Aid, Dennis." (This was shortly after the Jonestown Kool-Aid mass suicide.) During the afternoon meeting, when we established a rule for expelling Councilors, Randi bellowed that it is called the "Rawlins rule."
    Randi meant, of course, that expulsion could come for public dissent. No other Councilor present (Gardner was not) said a word to suggest any other inference. I might add that two months later Randi foolishly boasted about how he "had to work to keep Dennis in line" in Washington, having convinced himself, apparently, that his threats had kept me quiet.
    How these things grow! In 1975 and 1976 it was just a dumb, arrogant mistake by only three CSICOP Fellows. In 1977 it was their BS report, deliberate deception-cover-up. The next year, 1978, brought Kurtz's attempts first to bribe me and then (secretly) to eject me. Now there were Randi's threats....

[8] That Councilors Kurtz, Randi, Philip Klass, and Lee Nisbet conspired to keep dissent (read "schism") from sullying the press conference was eventually admitted from the inside in a July 6, 1979, conversation. (See also June 26 document prepared by Randi and marked "Confidential," discussed below.) 

Rawlins wrote a memo to the other CSICOP Fellows, "On Fighting Pseudoscience With Other Pseudoscience" on Randi's private behavior and the press conference that followed when Rawlins felt compelled to not state CSICOP's internal clumsiness openly, fearing an outburst from Paul Kurtz. By late April, 1980, Rawlins was dumped as a CSICOP Fellow (but not told in an official letter), was attacked in the pages of Skeptical Inquirer by Lawrence Jerome, the guy who had launched the affair in the first place (!). According to Rawlins, Martin Gardner told him that, due to Kurtz owning the CSICOP mailing list, that parliamentary rules were "crap"; i.e., there was a shitlist, and Rawlins was Name Number One. From this incident (which I again forcefully ask readers to click the link above, I am not doing the story justice) it seems Randi and Phil Klass got the idea into their heads that they were the "Defenders of The Faith" and were amenable to being the organization's dirty tricks men/inquisitors. But before we leave the 1970s we need to talk about the source of the infamous "blackmail tape" that surfaced repeatedly in the 1980s and 1990s.

The Origin of "The Tape"

By the early 1970s Randi had left Greenwich Village for Rumson, New Jersey and was living in a suburban house, a home that had a lot of young men coming and going through it. The story then was that Randi was "training magicians", which may have been true, but a number of these guys were possible hook-ups for Randi, who was living deeply in the closet. This situation drew the attention of a cop, Stephen Xanthos, of the Middlerown police department, a 54-officer force that liked stopping and searching cars at random in Monmouth County. The metaphorical head-butting between Randi and Xanthos was written up in the New York Times in 1973. The tape itself was allegedly leaked by Xanthos, but how he got it is unknown....literally the recording is an answering machine tape of calls into Randi's house; you can hear Martin Gardner calling in at the start, but that conversation is cut. The conversations that matter are between Randi and these young men looking for gay sex; they call him for meetings and all of them call Randi the pseudonym "Donald." There are seven of these conversations and this website has copy-pastes of transcripts of the 1995 Eldon Bird trial in which they were read into evidence in graphic detail, including .WAV files of the recordings. We don't know when these recordings were made, but it seems to be around the 1973-75 time period. Randi would not admit he was gay until 2010. This writer has a suspicion that Xanthos had sources in the Monmouth gay community, people he could pressure for information and that Randi's way of "doing business" irked him or his chief, a man named Robert Zerr. The tape had been circulating for years before the trial, some of it had been packaged up with other material and mailed anonymously to various people in 1998-99, which prompted Randi to write a long-winded note** to those recipients. The tapes were Randi's second Uri Geller.

The Early 1980s: Randi vs. Robert Anton Wilson; the MacLab follies

Randi's skeptical activities were well-known to the outside world. In mid-1980 High Times sent noted iconoclast/psychonaut/comedian/novelist/occultist Robert Anton Wilson to an American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting where Randi played Lavrenti Beria to the mere concept of Parapsychology. "The PERSECUTION And ASSASSINATION Of The PARAPSYCHOLOGISTS As PERFORMED By The INMATES Of The AMERICAN ASSOCIATION For The ADVANCEMENT Of SCIENCE UNDER The DIRECTION Of The AMAZING RANDI!" was part of their August issue and was later reprinted in the Wilson collection Right Where You Are Sitting Now: Further Tales of the Illuminati in 1982. The article has been deleted off the Internet, probably by RAW's estate, but I have read it and it's hilarious as it winds through this Dante's Inferno of worse-and-worse slamming by skeptics until you hit Randi, who acts like this bearded Fundamentalist preacher for the Scientific Method, because it was a panel discussion and Wilson, the press, and others were the audience. 

The "MacLab" story is a tale of degrees, according to Michael A. Thalbourne; his 23-page report for the Journal of the American Society of Psychical Research in October, 1995 ("Science versus Showmanship: A History of the Randi Hoax") is a good overview of the case and linked here. In short, James S. McDonnell, founder/chairman of the McDonell-Douglas aircraft corporation, had been fascinated with parapsychology as an undergraduate at Princeton in the 1920s, but had been convinced to remain an engineering student. By the 1970s he had an independent McDonnell Foundation and from 1975 to 1985, they had a parapsychology laboratory at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri ("MacLab.") In 1979, two teenagers and hobbyist magicians, Michael Edwards and Steven Shaw (now stage magician "Banachek") were sent in by Randi either through a cut out or claiming that they came by their own volition, none of it is clear to this writer. At the MacLab they claimed to be able to bend spoons

(post under construction)

* It's both the world labor holiday that America does not respect (May Day) and the traditional witches' sabbath of European legend (April 30th). Hitler blew his brains out on that date, ten days after his birthday.

** Let the rambleation commence!
May 3, 1999
To Whom It May Concern:
You are one of those persons who may have received a strange and uninvited
packet in the mail, purporting to deal with me and my history.

Documentation is contained in the packet that seems to indicate a
disgraceful series of events, a police record, arrests, and immoral,
illegal, behavior on my part. It claims that a recording contained in the
packet is of an officially-placed wiretap that was in operation on my phone
years ago, and that proves shameful actions that I performed at that time.

Taken as presented, this material might well have caused you to doubt my
character and validity. If this possibility has not occurred to you, I
apologize. The attached document is being sent to you and to a number of
others who have in some way participated with me and/or have supported me
or the James Randi Educational Foundation. The senders pf these packets
have been involved in a concerted effort to undermine our work, and rather
than attacking us directly, have chosen to stab us in the back.

I regret having to send you this material, but I think you'll understand
that there is no other way that I may hope to neutralize the damage this
campaign may have done to me and my cause. Any feedback you may wish to
provide to me would be welcome. I want you to be completely informed on
this matter, and I will do all I can to help you understand. I'm sure you
will relate to my dismay and concern, and I again express my regrets at
having to involve you in any way.

If you did indeed receive this material, I ask you to observe the request
at the bottom of the last page of the attached document. The Postal
Inspector involved needs as much material as can be assembled, and your
help is welcome. If you have not -- yet -- received the packet, I ask you
to be on the lookout for it. It is usually mailed from a location in the
USA, in a brown kraft-paper envelope measuring 4" by 6" and bearing a
paste-on label. The packet should be handled as little as possible and sent
as directed in the document. Thank you for any help you may offer in this

James Randi

And here's the full document.....


April, 1999.
To Whom It May Concern:
In any battle, the character of the enemy is something that should always
be determined and evaluated. One can only hope to be facing an opponent who
at least respects the basic rules of human behavior. After reading this
account, I believe that you will have a better understanding of the quality
of my enemies. I believe that the old saw still holds: Truth will out. In
these few pages, you will learn to what lengths certain people have gone,
and to what depths they will sink in their desperation.

It is no secret that the undersigned has for many years been very actively
involved in investigations of paranormal claims. Some persons have believed
that I consider the parapsychologists and the "psychics"
to be my enemies; that is far from true. My real enemies are those who
would try to prevent a proper and complete investigation from taking place,
and would try to prevent the results from becoming known. Their motives for
such actions are varied. Many self-proclaimed "experts"
resent the fact that I have exposed their fumbling and their mendacity. The
performers of psychic trickery have feared that responsible persons would
awaken to recognize how they have been deceived. Both groups, cherishing
their small fantasies, would do much to see me silenced. This statement
will, I believe, expose the extent to which a certain group of my enemies
have gone to discredit me. It should shock and repulse responsible and
decent members of the media, the public and the academic world. I ask you
to note that I am preparing this statement as an independent individual,
and not on behalf of any organization or colleague with whom I am
affiliated. It is an action that I take with full knowledge of my liability
under the law and my personal responsibility for having absolute proof of
everything I state in this document. This statement is not made lightly,
nor will I retreat from one word of it. I have a certain reputation for
being able to support any statement I have ever made. Some have chosen to
doubt that fact, and have subsequently regretted that decision.

x x x x x x x x x x

It began when in February of 1983, NBC-TV broadcast a "special" about my
battle against the "psychics." Prominently featured in that program was Uri
Geller, a showman from Israel who claimed psychic powers and who was at one
time believed by some scientists to really have paranormal ability. Several
of his fans and supporters were also represented on that program, rather

In July, an anonymous blackmail campaign was started against me. Packets of
defamatory material -- consisting of newspaper clippings, a fake "rap
sheet" and a cassette recording -- were mailed out to (initially) at least
30 members of the media, my neighbors, and my colleagues. The way it was
presented, and on first perusal, the material appeared to establish that I
was a person of very low character, and, in fact, a criminal. It was of
such a nature that it most certainly could damage my career and reputation,
regardless of the fact that the information contained in the packets
actually was either total fiction, carefully edited, and/or easily
explained. All that will be discussed in the following account. I have no
idea of how many packets were mailed out altogether, nor can I determine
just how effective this smear campaign was. Many persons I contacted denied
that they had ever received the blackmail material, though I know they did
receive it. More importantly, one letter addressed to me arrived from
Sweden -- at a time when the prime suspect was in Europe -- stating that
unless I ceased my investigative work, this material would continue to be
circulated. This letter brings the entire matter into the legal area of
blackmail. (More recently, the threat has been issued that unless the James
Randi Educational Foundation (JREF) pays out the million-dollar prize
before July 4, 1999, the writer will distribute the blackmail packet to
"thousands" of persons. This is a threat that I cannot afford to ignore.)

At the very onset of these events, I contacted the FBI office in New
Jersey, who turned the case over to the Postal Service Investigation
Department in Newark, New Jersey. Postal Inspector Ray Mack began work on
it which continues to this day. He presently has a mass of evidence on hand
that demonstrates the depth of this extensive effort to nullify my
effectiveness. Those newspaper clippings, far from being something I would
be ashamed of -- had they been available to the reader in unedited form --
detailed my battle against the police force of Middletown, NJ. A police
officer, Steven Xanthos, had illegally searched and physically assaulted
friends of mine, and I had brought the matter to the attention of the
public via meetings and press releases. (More about the eventual fate of
Xanthos, later in this document.) As a result, I was harassed almost every
time I drove through Middletown, was falsely arrested for fictitious
traffic offenses and equally false minor infractions of the law, until the
police there were satisfied that I was silenced. I paid many thousands of
dollars in legal costs to defend myself against these charges. But I was
not silenced. The tape cassette which formed part of the blackmail package,
rather than being the product of a "tap" on my phone, as the blackmail
package claimed, was a copy of a tape that I was specifically asked to make
back in 1968, by the police chief -- Zerr -- of Rumson, New Jersey, where I
lived at that time. That request was because of obscene phone calls I'd
been receiving at home, at all hours of the day and night. The object of my
conversations on that tape had been to keep the callers on the line and
thereby trace and identify the persons responsible. Zerr informed me that
though a recording could probably not be admitted into evidence, it would
be a powerful tool to possess. (At that time, to establish a trace, it was
necessary to keep a caller on the line a minimum of four minutes.) That
investigation resulted in a minor in a neighboring town being identified
and charged with the crime. At that time, the minor's lawyer was informed
by the local police that I possessed a recording of the phone calls. The
very next night, my home was broken into, and only my small reel-to-reel
tape recorder that had been connected to the telephone, was taken; no other
valuables were touched.

Police subsequently found the minor in possession of the recorder and its
tape reel, and he was then also charged with the break-in. The tape
recorder held the very tape that was subsequently given to officer Steven
Xanthos by the local Rumson police who investigated the break-in for me, in
an apparent show of police solidarity with the Middletown force.
(Subsequent to that event, in 1984, I was again similarly plagued by
similar calls, and the calls were traced, almost instantaneously this time
due to improved technology, to a teen-age girl who admitted the fact, but
that case did not go to court.) The young man who did go to court and was
convicted of both crimes, tried to later avenge himself on me by claiming
that my house was full of pornography -- a dreaded crime in those days. He
said he knew that because when he had broken into my house and stolen the
tape recorder from my office, he had observed an article on pornography in
my typewriter. That was true. That article was being prepared by me for
editor John Durniak of Popular Photography magazine, and it was a
lighthearted spoof on what different cultures -- and eras -- have believed
to be pornographic photography.

Steven Xanthos, then a senior police officer on the Middletown force
notorious for conducting illegal searches without "probable cause," set out
to do all he could to damage me. Thus, in March of 1983, when three men
showed up at the Middletown police department pretending to be conducting
an investigation for the Department of the Navy in Washington, DC, the
Middletown police chief, Joseph McCarthy, fell for the ruse and happily
turned them over to Xanthos, who was only too anxious to help them. They
said they were officially investigating James Randi. They were told
fanciful tales about orgies that I had conducted at my home with children,
shown pornographic photos that Xanthos said were of myself and a Haitian
friend (Martial Roumaine, of New York City, one of my friends who had been
harassed by Xanthos) and there was all sorts of information given them on
criminal activities that Xanthos said I'd been involved in. It was all

Not long after this, passing through Middletown late at night on my way
back from New York City, I saw a car pulled over to the side of the highway
by officer Steven Xanthos. It was a "hippie" van, exactly the kind of
vehicle that Xanthos specialized in. He was inside, searching the van by
slashing up the seats and throwing everything out the door onto the road. I
approached the two terrified kids who were standing outside, and advised
them that they had rights, and that Xanthos would have to prove "probable
cause" elements other than their long hair and painted van, to be properly
stopping and searching them. Xanthos emerged from the van, flustered, and
yelled at me that I was "interfering with a police officer in the
performance of his duty." I left the scene after giving my phone number to
one of the kids.

Years later, I learned from that same kid that Xanthos had confiscated my
number from him. The next night, I was arrested by the Middletown police,
spent the rest of the night in a cell, and was released the following day.
I was then charged with "interfering with a police officer in the
performance of his duty,"
and was fined $100.

x x x x x x x x x x x x

Within a month, the blackmail campaign was started. Editors of newspapers
received packets. My neighbors began bringing them to me. I was called from
all over the country and told that this material was being sent everywhere.
By conservative estimate, hundreds of such packets were sent out, from
various postal districts around the USA, to domestic and foreign addresses.
Postal Inspector Ray Mack, as part of his investigation on my behalf,
visited the Middletown police department giving as his premise that he was
investigating me. That made them very co-operative.

Inspector Mack spoke with Chief McCarthy and with Officer Xanthos and was
given the whole pack of lies. He took with him two or more of the
pornographic photos, the source of which has never been established. But it
was established beyond question by Inspector Mack that those persons in the
photographs were neither James Randi nor Martial Roumaine, and in any case,
the photos were circa 1930. Of course, it was incredibly inept of the
Middletown police to allow themselves to be taken in by three characters
who claimed they were with the US government. But those police have never
been known as intellectual giants. Two of the men who carried out this
subterfuge were actually persons who were used as part of the NBC-TV
"special" program previously referred to. Since they had not come out too
well on that program, they had chosen this means of taking their revenge
and trying to neutralize me.

Unable to fight me with the facts, they had resorted to a method that has
been used before by desperate persons facing exposure as frauds,
incompetents or simple liars. The three men who showed up at the Middletown
police department to ask for "dirt" on James Randi were persons well-known
to those who follow the "occult" world. One is a performer, the other two
are merely followers. The first is former "psychic" star Uri Geller, and
the others are Eldon Byrd, a would-be parapsychologist who has contributed
much nonsense to the literature of pseudoscience, and Robert Warth,
publisher of a minor UFO newsletter. Byrd had used identification documents
he carried from a project he was then doing for the US Navy, to pose as an
investigator for that service.

The Middletown police accepted this ID as legitimate. Byrd was soon after
fired from that position when he was arrested, and he can never again hold
a federal job. (A few years ago, in California, I confronted a UFO fanatic
who had come into possession of the blackmail material. He'd written a
letter to the FBI and to a group of scientists in Los Angeles, repeating
the scandalous drivel he'd chosen to believe. In front of an audience
assembled to hear my lecture, I had the great pleasure of punching him out
-- to a standing ovation. But it's little satisfaction, considering the
damage that he and others like him, along with the principals, Geller,
Warth and Byrd, have done to me.) Blackmail -- defined as the actual
distribution of defamatory material accompanied by a threat of some sort of
physical, professional or financial damage -- is one of the most despicable
acts of mankind. And it is a crime. It tries to be an assassination of
reputation and character. It seeks to silence victims by frightening them
into submission. It is done in the dark, from the protection of anonymity.
It is a cowardly, detestable, malicious performance. I hope that you will
recall this account when next you consider those who have chosen me as a
target. And I hope that when critics of my work make comments on it, they
will remember this document. Further information on the matter is available
to responsible persons who ask. Those who have distributed the blackmail
packets have characterized the audio recording as a "tap" made on my
telephone by the police.

The fact that all the calls on that tape are calls made to me and not by
me, shows the true nature of the tape. The tape was made by me, at the
instruction of the Chief of Police of Rumson, New Jersey, for the purpose
of obtaining evidence on the night callers. A careful listening to the tape
establishes this beyond doubt. The distributors cite references that are
simply not on the tape, and they fail to mention its provenance.

The fake arrest record that is part of the packet, is ludicrous. I am shown
with a huge grin, holding a number on a piece of cardboard. That photo
resulted from an event in about the year 1963, when I had been taken "into
custody" by the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (I&NS), on a
technicality whereby I was required to physically leave the USA and was
then free to re-enter after 24 hours. This arose because I had "worked" for
an employer that was not listed on my work visa at that time. That was a
technical error, not on my part, but on the part of the I&NS, since I'd not
been paid, and was thus not actually employed. However, the I&NS officers
suggested that since I was scheduled to return to Canada anyway, and
already had my air ticket, it would be simpler to just go along with the
system and all would be resolved. I agreed. I was not incarcerated, I was
not accompanied to the airport, and I never heard anything more about the
matter. But the blackmailers dug up this dreadful "arrest record," and are
now holding it up as evidence of my perfidy and criminal history. It would
be well to relate another aspect of this matter that is powerful evidence
against the detractors. While I lived in New Jersey, I applied for American
citizenship. When the time came for my examination before the I&NS officer,
in which I knew I would be asked the usual questions about U.S. government
and history, I was hit with the question, "Have you ever been arrested?"
With some trepidation, I told the officer about both cases. He seemed
unmoved by both accounts, and said to me, "Mr. Randi, I lived in
Middletown, and your arrest there I consider to be a definite plus toward
your being granted citizenship." I was relieved. The officer continued.
"Now I have to ask you questions about the U.S. Constitution and system of
government." He paused, then looked up at me. "Mr. Randi, who was the first
president of the United States?" I rather saw the direction he was going,
and went along with it. "Richard Nixon?" I asked. "Ummm, no. But that's
close enough." He stood up, reached across his desk, and shook my hand with
a big smile. "Welcome to the United States of America, Mr. Randi."

Shortly thereafter, I was sworn in as a U.S. citizen in a hall in Newark,
New Jersey. I relate this event to show that my whole record was and is
known to the U.S. government, yet I was granted citizenship. Had there been
any truth to the horrendous canards that are presently being circulated,
that would not have happened. Furthermore, when the would-be
parapsychologist Eldon Byrd sued me in Baltimore a few years ago, his
lawyer brought up the famous tape recording as evidence against my
character. My own lawyer, at my insistence, asked that the entire tape be
played for the courtroom and jury, so that the true nature of the record
would be understood, instead of being misrepresented as it usually was. It
was played, and Postal Inspector Ray Mack, who followed this matter from
its inception, was a witness we brought in to validate the true nature of
the recording. His evidence was accepted by the jury, who then gave Eldon
Byrd zero of the four penalties he was demanding of me, totaling thirteen
million dollars. My detractors claim that at that trial, I was established
to be "a malicious liar," and that I was found guilty. The truth is that
(a) the term "malicious liar" was invented by Byrd's lawyer, and was not
any part of the jury's decision, and (b) I entered that courtroom having
already admitted that I did indeed make the statement about Eldon Byrd for
which he sued me, but that I did it based upon evidence supplied to me. I
was notconvicted of having made that statement; it was already part of the
record. I had said that Byrd was "a convicted child molester," while I
should have said that he was "an admitted child molester," a fact that was
developed during that trial -- though I was the defendant in the case! Byrd
had plea-bargained himself out of the original charge, settling for a
lesser charge and a summary judgement. This was unknown to me. In any case,
I certainly won that case, since I was represented pro bono most
efficiently, and paid Byrd not a nickel.

x x x x x x x x x x x
Now you know the actual facts behind the accusations. I cannot hope that
this document will receive the attention or the circulation given to the
scandalous fantasies that have been giggled over by so many for the last
sixteen years. Those who really know me simply refuse to believe what was
contained in the blackmail package, and also know that I would never, under
any circumstances, yield to such pressures. They also know that there is
nothing -- absolutely nothing -- in my life that cannot be known to anyone,
that can cause me to back away from my chosen work. I am my own person, and
always will be. The blackmailers cannot recognize that fact. I have felt it
necessary to issue this statement so that those who may have believed any
or all of the scurrilous attack that was committed against me, can have the
facts to consider, rather than the invented ravings that have heretofore
been circulated. I have no intention of softening my attacks on nonsense.
In a battle that I suspect I cannot win, I continue to fight. Perhaps -- is
it a futile hope? -- there will come a day when superstition, fear and
scientific illiteracy will no longer rule our minds. Then, perhaps I will
be vindicated. Until that time, I can only hope that those with whom I
disagree will at least agree to pursue their ends as responsible, honorable
persons. It is not too much to ask.

Monday, February 17, 2020

Wikipedia IRC on St. Valentine's Day 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 12:35:04 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
 03[12:35] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
 03[12:35] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at | If you need a channel operator, say !op followed by your request, or join #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | For urgent assistance or help, type !admin followed by your request. | IRC community meeting on Feb. 24: '
 03[12:35] * Set by Rjd0060!~Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060 on Thu Feb 11 15:44:00
[12:35] #wikipedia-en url is
[12:35] <[Soap]> hmm
[12:35] <Jyothis>èrion_is_a_pèdo
[12:35] <[Soap]> Acroterion just blocked a few people
[12:35] <Jyothis> ok
[12:35] <[Soap]> I betcha those are just socks of the same guy
[12:35] <[Soap]> he used {[softerblock}}
[12:35] <Jyothis>èrion_fux_chickens
[12:36] <[Soap]> wow
[12:36] <[Soap]> that guy's busy
[12:36] <Qcoder00> Jythois:??
[12:36] <Jyothis>èrion_rapès_babies
[12:36] <Jyothis> yes Qcoder00
[12:36] <Qcoder00> Erm...
[12:36] <Qcoder00> If it urgent use the ping noted in the channel topic
[12:36] <Jyothis>èrion kicked in the mouth
[12:37] <Jyothis> I think I did?
[12:37] <Qcoder00> Any chanops?
[12:37] <Jyothis> havent seen any
[12:37] <Ottava> Rjd0060 was about
[12:38] <Prodego> what?
[12:38] <[Soap]> I put those on UAA
[12:38] <Qcoder00> Jyothis: Posting a lot of links maybe in good faith, but given the antics of some trolls some people here are jumpy
[12:38] <TenPoundHammer> Hmm.
[12:38] <[Soap]> someone'll see them soon
[12:38] <TenPoundHammer> That's weird.
[12:39] <Qcoder00> Jyothis: Usally it's better to post stuff like that on WP:AIV or WP:ANI
[12:39] <Prodego> Qcoder00: did you need something?
[12:39] <Qcoder00> Prodego: False alarm
[12:39] <Ottava> Prodego - he wanted to tell you how amazing you are
[12:39] <Qcoder00> "Move along - Nothing to see!"
[12:39] <Prodego> ah, yes, that must be it Ottava
[12:39] <Ottava> : )
[12:39] <Qcoder00> Prodego: Sorry
[12:40] <Jyothis> Ok, I was just trying to report whatever I saw in my bot log. Sorry if that was a problem
[12:40] <Qcoder00> Jysothis: OK...
[12:40] <Qcoder00> *Jyothis: OK
[12:40] <Qcoder00> Sorry
[12:41] <[Soap]> Qcoder I think youre over-reacting a bit.  It's not disruptive to post links to vandalism
 06[12:41] * Jyothis points Qcoder00 to #swmtbot
[12:42] <Qcoder00> Jyothis: I only deal with images, others deal with the da vandals ...
 06[12:43] * Jyothis works with CVN and SWMT
[12:43] <[Soap]> theyre all blocked now
[12:43] <Jyothis> Thanks [Soap] :)
 08[12:44] * derp huggles [Soap] tightly.
[12:44] <Jyothis> derp, Soap can slip away ;)
[12:45] <TenPoundHammer> sweet
[12:45] <TenPoundHammer> Apparently Catholics pay better when it  comes to piano playesr.
[12:45] <TenPoundHammer> *players
[12:45] <Ottava> >.>
[12:45] <TenPoundHammer> I played two funeral masses this week. One paid $50, the other $75.
[12:46] <Ottava> Were you invited to the wake?
[12:46] <TenPoundHammer> yeah, but we had other things to do so we declined.
 08[12:46] <derp> TenPoundHammer, did you eat any of those little sandwiches with no crusts?
[12:46] <TenPoundHammer> no
[12:46] <TenPoundHammer> first one had a lunch, second one didn't
[12:46] <Jyothis> here is an interesting id ->
[12:47] <Ottava> No :?
 08[12:47] <derp> Jyothis, you'd need a steward for that.
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 12:48:09 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 12:48:09 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
 11[12:48] * Disconnected
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 12:48:14 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 12:49:48 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
 03[12:49] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
 03[12:49] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at | If you need a channel operator, say !op followed by your request, or join #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | For urgent assistance or help, type !admin followed by your request. | IRC community meeting on Feb. 24: '
 03[12:49] * Set by Rjd0060!~Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060 on Thu Feb 11 15:44:00
[12:49] #wikipedia-en url is
[12:50] <TenPoundHammer> Please? Caldorwards4  is a friend of mine and I don't want him to get blocked for 3RR
[12:51] <[Soap]> lol COI
[12:51] <TenPoundHammer> ?
 08[12:51] * derp huggles TenPoundHammer tightly.
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[12:56] <TenPoundHammer> Why can't people undestand that copypasting from another page is a no no?
[12:57] <Lady_Aleena> No clue.
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[13:00] <TenPoundHammer> Because people are MORONS! MORONS! MORONS!
[13:00] <TenPoundHammer> Or so says Rat.
[13:00] <Lady_Aleena> Mostly true.
[13:03] * z33k (~the@wikipedia/z33k) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds )
[13:03] <TenPoundHammer> wow, I'm too dumb for Jeopardy
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[13:04] <TenPoundHammer> considering the last two weeks were college tournaments, you'd think it'd be easy, right?
[13:05] <TenPoundHammer> Wrong.
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[13:09] * TenPoundHammer drops a Pinmonkey album
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[13:11] <TenPoundHammer> where is  everyone?
[13:12] <derp> here.
[13:12] <derp> but Everyone is with over there.
[13:12] <derp> You know Everyone is married?
[13:13] <derp> she was previously married to no
[13:13] <Ottava> Hmm
[13:13] <Ottava> Canadians are weird ;/
[13:13] <derp> so everyone has remarried with Over there.
[13:13] <derp> So her full name is everyone no over there.
[13:13] <derp> She says hi.
[13:13] * derp huggles Ottava tightly.
[13:14] <TenPoundHammer> Lady Antebellum = awesome.
[13:14] * Ottava pets derp
[13:14] <Ottava> Did you see the opening games?
[13:14] <Ottava> What did you think of the tap dancing and fiddle playing?
[13:15] <Ottava> and the magical canoe?
[13:15] <derp> It was magical :)
[13:16] <Ottava> Was that all truly Canadian? : )
[13:17] <derp> Well, of course :)
[13:17] <derp> The magical canoe is a québecois story.
[13:17] <Ottava>,219520
[13:17] <Ottava> : )
[13:17] <derp> lol
[13:17] <Ottava> Derp - did it swell your little maple leaf heart? : P
[13:18] <derp> :P
[13:18] * derp had his Québec flag :)
[13:18] <TenPoundHammer> PUT THAT COOKIE DOWN!
[13:18] <Ottava>,219527
[13:19] <derp> yay for hokey bitches!
[13:19] <Ottava> The blowout reinforces every criticism of the women's tournament, such as the need for a mercy rule or the notion that the women's tournament is "essentially an intramural competition between the same group of Canadian and U.S. women," as Jeff Blair of The Globe and Mail opined.
[13:19] <Ottava> The US Men's hockey players all play for their home countries
[13:20] <Ottava> you'd think the US Women's hockey players would do the same
[13:20] <derp> Ottava,
[13:20] <derp> for the magical canoe :)
[13:20] * juliancolton is now known as Typhoon|walkway
[13:20] <Ottava> and wtf, I'm sure Russia could put together a female hockey team
[13:20] * TenPoundHammer  doesn't give a rip about the olympics
[13:20] * derp went and had fun.
[13:21] * derp got hurt in a lost projectile
[13:21] <derp> sorry, by a lost projectile
[13:21] <Ottava> "tale of voyageurs "
[13:21] <Ottava> lulz
[13:21] <Ottava> French Canadian spelling
[13:21] <Ottava> ;/
[13:21] <derp> :D
[13:22] * derp invites Ottava to Montreal.
[13:22] <Ottava> The fiddle player had devil like horns, so I guess he was supposed to be bewitching the canoe at the time?
[13:22] <derp> heh
[13:22] <derp> That's also a name for a brand of beer
[13:22] <derp> made by Unibroue
[13:22] <Ottava> Unibrow ;/
[13:23] * derp pulcks Ottava's unibrow
[13:23] <Ottava> So, derp, do you hang out in pubs and listen to fiddle music while tap dancing? : )
[13:23] <derp> no :)
[13:23] <Ottava> That one tap dancer was rather entertaining
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[13:23] <derp> from time to time yes :)
[13:24] <derp> And smoking a pipe!
[13:24] <Ottava> no one has added the Olympic depiction yet ;/
[13:25] * derp is editing on the meta
[13:25] <derp> pimping up the montreal bid.
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[13:26] <Ottava> Add that you guys were given a nod in the Olympics opening ceremony : P
[13:27] * derp knows.
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[13:29] <derp> woo
[13:30] <derp> Google Street View expanded in Canada.
[13:30] <Ottava> scary
[13:30] <Ottava> all that snow
[13:30] <Ottava> ;/
[13:30] <derp> Ottava, come on!
[13:30] <Ottava> They use the same image of a snow drift for 90% of canada ;/
[13:30] <derp> It was taken during summer heh
[13:30] <Ottava> You know its funny!
[13:31] * derp throw urine snowballs at Ottava
[13:31] <Ottava> ew
[13:31] <derp> let's see where i live.
[13:32] <derp> Ottava
[13:32] <derp> want to see how the canadian space agency looks like?
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[13:36] <Ottava> Canadian space agency? Isn't that just a large staircase made out of ice blocks?
[13:36] <Ottava> : P
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[13:37] <derp> :P
[13:38] <derp> Ottava, would you live in a ice hotel?
[13:38] <derp> Or spend a night in one?
[13:38] <Ottava> No
[13:38] <Ottava> Too chilly
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[13:38] <Ottava> I shiver like a little bird out in the cold : (
[13:38] <derp> Because they're offering the chance to sleep in a real ice hotel not too far from quebec city
[13:39] <derp> of course, they supply a shitload of blankets and fur
[13:39] <Ottava> brb
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[13:49] <Ottava> back
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[13:52] <derp> wb Ottava <3
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[13:53] <Ottava> ty you Canadian bastard : P
[13:53] <Ottava> What is the French equivalent of bastard?
[13:53] <Ottava> batard?
[13:53] <derp> oui
[13:53] <derp> lol
[13:53] <Ottava> ;/
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[13:55] <derp> Ottava, google street view even covered the confederation bridge.
[13:55] <Ottava> I want a google street view that has historical images
[13:55] <Ottava> that would be exciting
[13:58] * derp licks Ottava
[13:58] <Ottava> eww, foreign cooties
[13:58] <derp> I had my cooties shot.
[13:58] <Ottava> ;/
[13:58] <derp> and cooties insurance.
[13:58] <derp> and cooter for you.
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[14:37] <Ottava> Hi Ryan
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[15:08] <[Soap]>  Cirt protected Nick Jr. [edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 20:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)) [move=autoconfirmed] (expires 20:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)): disruption, prot req fm [[WP:RFPP]];
[15:08] <[Soap]> to whoever was asking for that
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[15:11] <evil_saltine> ayn rand
[15:12] <Natalie> Ayn Rand?
[15:12] <Natalie> The eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher?
[15:12] <evil_saltine> yes indeed
[15:13] <evil_saltine> The eminent 21st-century Australian android
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[15:21] <Ottava> androids are evil
[15:21] <[Soap]> does that include Google Android?
[15:22] <Ottava> yes
[15:22] <Ottava> google is evil
[15:22] <Ottava> apple is evil
[15:22] <Ottava> starbucks is evil
[15:22] <Qcoder00> Starbucks is a caffine pusher!!
[15:23] <evil_saltine> mm caffiene
[15:23] <evil_saltine> caffeine
[15:23] <evil_saltine> er
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[15:25] <Qcoder00> evil_saltine: Coffee at any rate
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[15:27] <evil_saltine> i miss toddy coffee
[15:27] <Ottava> I miss the 80s
[15:27] <evil_saltine> me too, i was pooping my pants
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[15:28] <Ottava> ew
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[15:31] <evil_saltine> ta-da
[15:33] <Qcoder00> Any chanops?
[15:33] <Qcoder00> I don't like the direction this is going in
[15:33] <evil_saltine> ?
[15:33] <evil_saltine> i was a baby in the 80s, that's why i said that
[15:34] <evil_saltine> sorry to offend
[15:35] <evil_saltine> i think you can type !op for an op though
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[15:39] <evil_saltine> oh hell yes saltine necklace
[15:41] <JSleeping> offensive user id ->
[15:42] <evil_saltine> JSleeping: done, thanks
[15:42] <Ottava> Hi Rjd0060
[15:42] <Rjd0060> Hi Ottava.
[15:42] <Ottava> How are you?
[15:42] <Rjd0060> I'm good
[15:42] <JSleeping> Ok
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[15:53] <Qcoder00> Hmm
[15:53] <Qcoder00> [[Armed police]] should be a disambig
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[15:54] <Qcoder00> Currently it links to a specfic PRC unit
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[16:01] <satdav> can a admin tell me why was deleted
[16:02] <derp> satdav, see results.
[16:02] <derp> As it's a AfD, there are reasons 
[16:03] <derp>  4♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 
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[16:12] <Ottava> derp - "You never call me when you're sober"
[16:12] <Ottava> ;/
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[16:33] <Qcoder00> - I'm not being unreasonable?
[16:34] <Qcoder00> If an image page tells you to notify an uploader about missing image, you shouldn't get some contributor complaning when you do exactly what the image page TELLS you to do?
[16:34] <Qcoder00> *missing image information
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[16:35] <Ottava> Qcoder00 - I think you need to get admin status so you can pwn such people
[16:35] <Ottava> : P
[16:36] <Qcoder00> LOL
[16:36] <Ottava> "Oh, you don't like my notice? Eat block!"
[16:36] <Ottava> You'd be less abusive than 60% of admin now : P
[16:36] <Qcoder00> If I had admin powers , I'd by  'Deadly' or 'Elite' XD
[16:36] <Qcoder00> *be
[16:37] <Ottava> brb
[16:37] <Qcoder00> Any admins around?
[16:37] <irregardless> nope
[16:37] <derp> nope.
[16:38] <derp> request a steward.
[16:38] <Qcoder00> derp : I don't need anyone higher than an admin
[16:38] <derp> Qcoder00, a steward can make anyone a admin :P
[16:38] <Qcoder00> derp:  Well I can't be admin
[16:38] <Ottava> Jimbo can make anyone an admin until people start whining
[16:38] <Ottava> ;/
[16:39] <derp> Usually it's for short times
[16:39] <derp> Ottava, go hunt your food.
[16:39] <Qcoder00> No-ones proposed an RfAdmin for me yet
[16:39] <Ottava> I know, but that caught my eye
[16:39] <Ottava> anyway
[16:39] <Ottava> brb
[16:39] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 do u need one for someth?
[16:39] * derp huggles Chzz_ tightly.
[16:39] <Chzz_> meep
[16:39] <derp> Qcoder00, and you will never have one :)
[16:39] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: and related
[16:40] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 yep, what's the trouble?
[16:40] <Qcoder00> I issued a notification about missing details as a page said, and i get complaints that I should seemingly have read details (that were added AFTER the notfication) before issuing it !!
[16:40] <Qcoder00> Are Wikipedians supposed to know have the ability to time travel?
[16:40] <Qcoder00> XD
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[16:41] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 The 'clear'? Or someth else?
[16:41] <Mifter> Hey everyone
[16:41] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: no
[16:41] <Qcoder00> It relates to the 'Image missing description...' tag
[16:42] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 Sorry, that was the diff. so - what's the trouble?
[16:42] <Qcoder00>
[16:42] <[Soap]> hi Chzz
[16:42] <Qcoder00> My concern is that I'm getting complaints for doing EXACTLY what an Image page says (and what policy  says) you are supposed to do
[16:43] <Chzz_> Hi [Soap] :-) Glad to see it's all SNAFU here. I'm not *back* back, just visiting :)
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[16:43] <Qcoder00> I am no being told  WP:DTTR!!
[16:43] <Qcoder00> *now
[16:43] <Qcoder00> Which I find offensive
[16:43] <Qcoder00> given that owing to my systematic efforts in the last few days, a LOT of images haven been resuced, improved or correctly removed !!
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[16:44] <ipatrol> We really could use some NPPs. There's a flood of spam, vanity articles, and sappy valentine's day love notes
[16:44] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 a) the warning notice looks fine to me - it's a polite request, and not pointy - and yes, adding descs will make things better.   b) If people disregard the notice, that's there choice, and I suggest you just disregard their disregard. Most ppl will fix the thing, some won't. A bit like a vandal-warning; in these cases, the best action would be (i) don't take it personal, (ii) ...
[16:45] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: I don't take people justly moaning about mistags personally
[16:45] <Qcoder00> but I do get upset when people moan at me for actually doing what templates and other people (inc admins) have advised...
[16:45] <Chzz_> (ii) fix the description yourself if you can, (iii) if you can't, feel free to politely propose it for deletion.   If you personally take offense at others taking offense when you (quite rightly) ask them nicely to add a desc etc, then I suggest you stop asking. All of us who post any kind of warning/caution notices have to anticipate some antagonism
[16:46] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: It wasn't the original uploader that was complaining anyway
[16:47] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 To summarise: you're doing good stuff, you're clearly trying to make things better. But if ppl won't cooperate, by far the best course of action is to ignore the bastards, and not let 'em grind you down. If you read too much into it, you'll drive yourself crazyt
[16:47] <Qcoder00> LOL
[16:47] <Qcoder00> I am NOT Betacommand XD ;)
[16:47] <Ottava> back
[16:47] <Ottava> Qcoder00 is Betacommand's little brother
[16:48] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 ppl who (perfectly correctly) notice ppl get a lot of crap. Just look at vandal-fighters, and how many times their user pages are vandalised, and much worse. The best of the best vandal-fighters regularly have ppl stalk 'em, AfD everything they've ever done, PROD their old work, jump into their arguments, and all kinds of nasties.
[16:48] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: Oh well at least I passed the turing test this time ... (people have called me a Bot at sometimes)
[16:48] <Qcoder00> XD
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[16:49] <Chzz_> b3tac. knows very well how to ignore the cunts.   (Ohai Marybelle :-) )
[16:49] <ipatrol> is there an ACC admin here?
[16:49] <Natalie> Hey Chzz_.
[16:49] <Qcoder00> Natalie:  I left a note on WP:DBR re the request I made the other day concering *.gif
[16:49] <Chzz_> ipatrol u mean someone with ACC or what?
[16:49] <Natalie> Qcoder00: I saw.
[16:49] <Ottava> Marybelle? I haven't seen McBride use that name in forever
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[16:49] <Natalie> I wouldn't hold your breath.
[16:49] <Qcoder00> Objective : Remove all single frame gif's by the end of 2010
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[16:50] <Ottava> omai
[16:50] <Ottava> Marybelle sounds like a cow's name ;/
[16:50] <Chzz_> O_O
[16:51] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 s'fine; feel free to vent. But srsly, "Nil illigitum carborundum"
[16:51] <Qcoder00> 'Don't let the barstads grind you down! ' :)
[16:51] <Qcoder00> Me didn't do Latin :(
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[16:52] <Ottava> never illegitimate carborator?
[16:52] <Ottava> >.>
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[16:52] <Ottava> hola Keegan
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[16:52] <Ottava> How is it in the Great White South?
[16:52] <Ottava> aww
[16:52] <Chzz_> nice timing
[16:52] <Ottava> he left
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[16:52] <Ottava> there we go
[16:52] <Ottava> okay, so he still is there
[16:52] <ipatrol> XD
[16:53] <Chzz_> Ssh. Stop talking about Keegan, he's back
[16:53] <Keegan> Hi
[16:53] <Keegan> Melting
[16:53] <Keegan> Hi Chzz
[16:53] <ipatrol> Let's arrest him for wikisubversion
[16:53] * Keegan hugs Chzz
[16:54] <Chzz_> ipatrol re ACC - what did u need?
[16:54] <ipatrol> Never mind, overlord took care of it
[16:54] <Chzz_> kk
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[16:55] <ipatrol>  "Nil illigitum carborundum" is dog latin
[16:55] <Ottava> Not pig latin?
[16:55] <ipatrol> no
[16:56] <ipatrol>
[16:56] <Ottava> ilna ligitumya arborundumkai
[16:57] <Chzz_> "ROMANES EUNT DOMUS"? "People called Romanes they go the house?"
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[17:00] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: I've seen that sketch ... :(
[17:00] <Qcoder00> "So what have the ROMANS ever DONE for us?" XD
[17:01] <Ottava> Much
[17:01] <Chzz_> wine?
[17:01] <Chzz_> :/
[17:02] <Mifter> architecture? roads?
[17:02] <Chzz_> aquaducts!
[17:02] <Qcoder00> Mifter: You've not seen Life of brian?
[17:02] <Mifter> Nope :P
[17:03] <JSleeping> The thing with x and xx in en wiki user creation continues :)
[17:03] <Qcoder00> Mifter: You should
[17:03] <Qcoder00> It's hillarously funny
[17:03] <ipatrol> Actually, a valid translation would be: Operor non permissum nothus homo frendo vos solum
[17:04] <Qcoder00> ipatrol:  Which means?
[17:04] <JSleeping>  Xdarkdreamx ,XlarejohnX are the new creations :)
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[17:04] <ipatrol> Qcoder00: Don't let the bastards grind you down
[17:04] <Sceptre> can someone answer me a question?
[17:04] <Qcoder00> ipatrol : OK
[17:04] <ipatrol> frendo = grind
[17:04] <Chzz_> Sceptre 42
[17:04] <ipatrol> nothus homo = bastard
[17:04] <Qcoder00> BTW It's a shame Ironholds isn't here
[17:04] <Sceptre> why do we have a "Haiti earthquake conspiracy theories" article?
[17:04] <ipatrol> solum = down
[17:04] <Sceptre> and why the fuck was it kept at AfD twice
[17:05] <Qcoder00> Sceptre: Because there are hatian Earthquake conspiracy theories?
[17:05] <Sceptre> Qcoder00: this is a conspiracy theory
[17:05] <Sceptre> about a fucking earthquake
[17:05] <Qcoder00> Like it was some US super weapon....
[17:05] <ipatrol> The internet is a conspiracy theory
[17:05] <Qcoder00> Sceptre: " If you can belive they put a man on the moon...."
[17:05] <Sceptre> HAARP?
[17:06] <Qcoder00> What is HAARP?
[17:06] <Chzz_> Sceptre It's in DRV; it looks like it'll be an endorse, so just wait a bit.
[17:06] <Sceptre> HAARP has been blamed for everything from Columbine to the traffic lights on the Altrincham Ring Road
[17:06] <Sceptre> Chzz_: an "endorse keep", sadly
[17:06] <Qcoder00> Sceptre: Altrincham?
[17:07] <Sceptre> Qcoder00: suburb of Manchester
[17:07] <[Soap]> lol
[17:07] <Qcoder00> Surely the traffic lights don't go wrong that often?
[17:07] <Chzz_> Ooh, I fucking hate the lights on Altrincham road. I always nip down the back past the cricket ground, and then go around that big block of flats before TGI's
[17:07] <Chzz_> I blame aliens
[17:07] <[Soap]> I thought I'd heard the ultimate from the blame-America crowd but this really takes the cake
[17:07] <Qcoder00> BTW A geek friend of mine at college got me really scared once
[17:07] <Qcoder00> He claimed he knew which three traffic junctions could 'crash' london
[17:08] <Sceptre> Qcoder00: which ones?
[17:08] <Sceptre> also, I feel really bad for Jews
[17:08] <Qcoder00> He said that he'd only disclose that information to TfL or MI5
[17:08] <Qcoder00> I think he was a maths student
[17:09] <Qcoder00> so would know something about graph theory
[17:09] <Sceptre> even after the Holocaust a lot of people in the west are rabidly anti-Semitic
[17:10] <Sceptre> I mean, fuck, I know Israel has done some bad stuff
[17:10] <Sceptre> but to accuse them of harvesting the organs of dead Haitians?
[17:10] <Sceptre> seriously?
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[17:11] <Sceptre> and of course, portraying Israel as anything but worse than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Bin Laden, Mugabe, Mao, and Kim Jong-il combined will make you "part of the Jewish lobby"
[17:12] <ipatrol> I'm Jewish and proud of it
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[17:13] <Sceptre> ipatrol: more power to you
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[17:14] <ipatrol> Mazel tov to you to
[17:14] <ipatrol> o
[17:16] <Qcoder00> Hmm... You hear a lot about various asian languges being taught in schools now... , but less about Hebrew ...
[17:16] <ipatrol> Well, it's not a big commercial power
[17:16] <ipatrol> Mandrian is more useful to an employer these days
[17:16] <Qcoder00> ipatrol : True
[17:17] <Qcoder00> but I've hard some schools/colleges  have started teaching Urdu  out of practicality :)
[17:18] <Qcoder00> *heard
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[17:19] <Qcoder00> Sadly, where I was at school, practicaly everyone did French or German, whereas doing Arabic or Urdu would have made more sense.
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[17:21] <Proto> Hello. :)
[17:21] <MissAlyx> is anyone here an iphone developer?
[17:21] <Proto> Wrong chat.
[17:22] <Proto> Luckly I am one.
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[17:22] <MissAlyx> I just thought i'd ask, maybe I'd get lucky.
[17:23] <Proto> Well
[17:23] <Proto> What is it you need because I am a developer :P
[17:23] <MissAlyx> i had an idea for an app, and i wanted to know if it was physicaly possible to make
[17:24] <MissAlyx> the concept seems possible, and not too difficult either.
[17:24] <Proto> Anything is possible.
[17:24] <ipatrol> Soxred93?
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[17:25] <juliancolton> hey PMBL
[17:25] <Proto> Even though I really came here to ask for a Checkuser to look for a link between User234 and PBML
[17:25] <MissAlyx> lol
[17:25] * Caspian_blue is now known as Nutrition
[17:25] <Proto> Both seem to have.
[17:25] <Proto> You are such a spoil :(
[17:25] <Ottava> Pink Floyd's No More Turning Away has a nice celtic kind of vibe to it
[17:25] <[Soap]> I knew it
[17:25] * Proto poof
[17:25] * Chzz_ pokes Keegan with a Proto
[17:25] <[Soap]> proto: your IP gives you away
[17:25] <juliancolton> Proto: fail trolling is fail
[17:25] <Keegan> Eh, That song is okay
[17:25] <ipatrol> Sox: I have an idea for your ECAPI
[17:26] * Jamesofur is now known as Jamesofur|food
[17:26] <Ottava> Keegan, you suck
[17:26] <Ottava> : P
[17:26] <Keegan> The Division Bell is a good album, but the problem I have with it is Pink Floyd's name on it
[17:26] * Keegan is a big Pink Floyd fan
[17:26] * Nutrition is now known as Celadon
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[17:27] <Proto> MissAlyx? What consept?
[17:28] <MissAlyx> i dont wanna say, you might steal it :<
[17:28] * Chzz_ wanders off to play some Roger Waters
[17:28] * Proto User234 is my latest entity.
[17:29] <[Soap]> youre claiming that User234 = you = Pickbothmanlol?
[17:29] <Proto> yes.
[17:29] <Proto> MO obviously matches.
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[17:30] * Willking1979 is now known as Willking|Busy
[17:30] <[Soap]> tbh I dont believe you ... the account would have been blocked during one of the previous SPI's surely ... but OK
[17:30] <Proto> Plus I always like to admit my socks when there purpose is almost done with.
[17:30] <Ottava> ;/
[17:30] <Ottava> Okay, Keegan, best Pink Floyd album is... ?
[17:30] <Keegan> Hrm
[17:30] <Ottava> and by the way, "On the Turning Away" is on A momentary Lapse of reason
[17:31] <Proto> The Dark Side of the Moon
[17:31] <Proto> in my opinion
[17:31] <Keegan> Probably Wish You Were Here, but I do like The Final Cut, even though it's as non-Floyd as The Division Bell
[17:31] <Ottava> It was later on the Division Bell : P
[17:31] <Ottava> My favorite is Wish You Were Here
[17:32] <Ottava> Partly because of the way the songs feel and partly because of its self reflective nature
[17:32] <Proto> Horray, I beat a boss in Mega Man 9.
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[17:32] <Proto> After about 39 attempts.
[17:32] <Keegan> I like how the Wall/The Final Cut have a story arch
[17:32] <Keegan> *arc
[17:32] <Keegan> But sonically, Wish You Were Here followed by Animals
[17:33] <Ottava> Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here have the most individual songs that I like
[17:33] <Proto> Already said Dark Side.
[17:33] <Ottava> As well as the Wall, but the Wall doesn't count because of the filler ;/
[17:34] <Ottava> Proto - more than one person can like an album : P
[17:35] <Ottava> Okay, Keegan - Waters or Gilmore
[17:35] <Ottava> Who is better
[17:35] <Ottava> : )
[17:35] <MissAlyx> im gonna fumble round my irc for the iphone dev i have there, and beg him to make my idea for me o.o
[17:35] <JamieS93> Wish You Were Here is a good song.
[17:35] <MissAlyx> for free.
[17:35] <MissAlyx> xD
[17:35] <Keegan> No call
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[17:35] <Keegan> Roger can write
[17:36] <Keegan> Gilmore can perform
[17:36] <Ottava> Okay, throw Syd into the mix : )
[17:36] <Ottava> Now who
[17:36] <Ottava> of the three
[17:36] <Proto> PBML is in the middle of trying to claim User234 for his collection.
[17:36] <Keegan> Is not Syd an option?
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[17:37] <Ottava> So you are going to toss Syd out? : )
[17:37] <Ottava> I guess you aren't a fan of The Piper at the Gates of Dawn?
[17:38] <Keegan> The only Floyd Barrett song I like is Jug Band Blues
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[17:38] * McJack is now known as McJohn
[17:39] <Proto> MascotGuy is a greedy prick. :(
[17:39] <Brian_S> Lol
[17:39] <Brian_S> Greedy prick
[17:40] <Brian_S> Proto = Pickbothmanlol? =)
[17:40] <Proto> PBML is User234
[17:40] <Proto> go away.
[17:40] <Brian_S> It's obvious since you have
[17:41] <Proto> bellsouth is a pretty cool guy
[17:41] <[Soap]> he's just trying to make us believe he's User234
[17:41] <[Soap]> Im skeptical
[17:41] <Proto> My MO says otherwise.
[17:41] <[Soap]> the account's been around for a year, and never turned up on any SPI's
[17:41] <Brian_S> Yeah, PBML is impersonating other users now. A few days ago he impersonating Bambifan.
[17:41] <Proto> Newsflash, SOME socks can make it through a year.
[17:42] <Brian_S> was impersonating*
[17:42] <Brian_S> >>
[17:42] <[Soap]> and Grawp too, iirc. and John254
[17:42] <Qcoder00> The more a sock infiltrates the harder it will fall...
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[17:42] <Proto> Hi.
[17:42] <Proto> I am with the NSA
[17:43] <[Soap]> or maybe it was ScienceGolfFan who tried to get us to believe he was Grawp
[17:43] * Sceptre (~sceptre@unaffiliated/sceptre) Quit (Quit: There's a battle outside and it is ragin'. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls for the times they are a-changin' )
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[17:45] <Brian_S> Proto: Was Andrew in Making 80 Accounts - 1 you? :)
[17:45] <Proto> yes.
[17:45] <ipatrol> I really like [[User:Zro/stubtagtab3.js]], it can add any possible stup template by loading the WPSTUBS list
[17:45] <ipatrol> *stub
[17:45] <Brian_S> Then you are Pickbothmanlol :
[17:45] <Brian_S> )
[17:45] <Proto> Wikipedia is Communism
[17:45] <Proto>
[17:45] <Brian_S> So is your mother
[17:45] <Brian_S> :P
[17:45] <Brian_S> j/k
[17:45] * Willking|Busy is now known as Willking1979
[17:46] <Brian_S> old joke is old :(
[17:46] <Ottava> long cat is long
[17:47] <JamieS93> cute kitteh is cute
[17:47] <Proto>
[17:47] <Proto> IT ARE FACT.
[17:47] <Ottava> no u
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[17:47] Clones detected from unaffiliated/leonardbloom/x-1853287: 8 Leonard^Bloom vonRanke
[17:47] <Ottava> OMG Hi Leondard : )
[17:47] <Ottava> Leonard*
[17:47] <Ottava> blah
[17:47] <Ottava> I havent seen you around in a while
[17:47] <Leonard^Bloom> I'm around all the time :P
[17:48] <JamieS93> He seems to have epic connection issues, though.
[17:48] <Leonard^Bloom> under a different nick
[17:48] <JamieS93> ^
[17:48] <Ottava> oh
[17:48] <Ottava> Which name?
[17:48] <Leonard^Bloom> JamieS93: you know it :)
[17:48] * vonRanke (~wsaryn@unaffiliated/leonardbloom/x-1853287) Quit (Disconnected by services )
[17:48] <JamieS93> vonranke
[17:48] * Leonard^Bloom is now known as vonRanke
[17:48] <Ottava> I havent seen that name around either : (
[17:48] <Ottava> and I knew it too : (
[17:48] <JamieS93> And a series of other nicks I think
[17:49] <vonRanke> JamieS93: I use only L^B, Saryn, and vonRanke
[17:49] <JamieS93> Hmm.
[17:49] <JamieS93> I thought I saw at least another in there, i must be wrong
[17:49] <Ottava> brb
[17:50] <Proto> On Wikipedia "any user can change any entry, and if enough users agree with them, it becomes true."
[17:50] * Keegan (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds )
[17:52] <Qcoder00> Proto: Thats not strictly ture
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[17:53] <TenPoundHammer> Any admins around?
[17:53] <[Soap]> yes
[17:53] <[Soap]> TPH
[17:53] <Proto> Soap is a shit admin.
[17:53] <[Soap]> you should really learn who the admins are
[17:53] * Proto awaits the prize
[17:53] <TenPoundHammer> -delete plz
[17:54] <TenPoundHammer> And move too, if you want.
[17:54] <[Soap]> oh JamieS93 left the second before you wrote that
[17:54] <[Soap]> haha
[17:54] <TenPoundHammer> Anyone else in?
[17:55] <TenPoundHammer> ¿Habla inglés?
[17:55] <ipatrol> Watching a show on a polygamist former Jewish rabbi
[17:56] * TenPoundHammer prods Rjd0060 with a Pocky
[17:57] * TenPoundHammer feels like he's talking to a wall
[17:58] * Chzz_ is catching up with Lost, s5 - and is thoroughly confused. But I expect the butler did it.
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[17:59] * darkoneko (~darkoneko@wikipedia/darkoneko) Quit (Quit: your lunch is non notable ? eat wikipedios )
[17:59] * TenPoundHammer taps his foot impatiently
[18:00] <Proto> die
[18:00] <Proto> my
[18:00] <Proto> hair
[18:00] <[Soap]> you could use the ! word if youre prepared for other admins to tell you that it was unnecessary
[18:00] <[Soap]> you know it always works
[18:01] <[Soap]> why cant you just go to the other article and edit it there?
[18:01] <TenPoundHammer> because the redirect has more than one edit, so I cna't just overwrite it
[18:01] <Proto> brb givin grawp a sock.
[18:02] <TenPoundHammer> I didn't realize it at first, but "You Never Even Called Me by My Name" is a rather vicious parody
[18:03] <Chzz_> TenPoundHammer what redir do you want obliterated?
[18:04] <TenPoundHammer>
[18:05] <Chzz_> TenPoundHammer done
[18:06] <TenPoundHammer> thanks
[18:06] * TenPoundHammer downloads that song while he's at it
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[18:08] Clones detected from wikipedia/Amorymeltzer: 8 McJohn McJack
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[18:09] <[Soap]> chzz has a secret admin account
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[18:10] <Chzz_> [Soap] just the one? pfft
[18:10] * [Coffee] is now known as coffee
[18:10] <TenPoundHammer> hehe
[18:11] <Chzz_> [Soap] The SysOp, CU and OS aren't secret. But I admit to keeping the Founder one under wraps
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[18:12] <TenPoundHammer> you're allowed to do that?
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[18:14] <The_Thing> I detest sites that limit the size of passwords...
[18:15] <OffToHades> evening guys. Anyone know what the prefix is for the scots gaelic version of wikipedia please?
[18:15] <TenPoundHammer> I think
[18:15] <Herodotus> I detest people who complain about such limitations!
[18:15] <TenPoundHammer> yep
[18:15] * Jamesofur|food is now known as Jamesofur
[18:15] <TenPoundHammer> OffToHades, ^
[18:15] <OffToHades> nope, sco is scots written as scots dialect, tph.
[18:16] <TenPoundHammer> ah
[18:16] <TenPoundHammer> there's more than one form of scottish?
[18:16] <OffToHades> yep
[18:16] <TenPoundHammer> bleah
[18:17] <OffToHades> hm...
[18:17] <[Soap]> well it isnt ga, sga, sge, sgi, sgo, or sgu
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[18:17] <TenPoundHammer> Or is it the bagel?
[18:18] <[Soap]> I know Ive been on it before
[18:18] <[Soap]> gla
[18:18] <[Soap]>
[18:18] * Gracenotes (~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes) Quit (Remote host closed the connection )
[18:19] <[Soap]> wait no
[18:19] <[Soap]>
[18:19] <TenPoundHammer> Wow. That's one of the weirdest looking languages. o.o
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[18:20] <TenPoundHammer> That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!
[18:20] <OffToHades> thanks Soap.
[18:21] <OffToHades> Rjd0060 just pointed me to Special:SiteMatrix, apparently works from any project
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[18:22] <MisterWiki> hi TenPoundHammer
[18:22] <TenPoundHammer> hi
[18:22] <TenPoundHammer> I swear, they put crack in fudgesicles.
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[18:23] <TenPoundHammer> Or at least this brand.
[18:23] <FT2> afternoon
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[18:23] <OffToHades> TenPoundHammer: Its a trap, to make you buy more.
[18:23] <[Soap]> hi Sarandioti
[18:24] <TenPoundHammer> IT'S A TRAP!
[18:24] <OffToHades> Your fudgsicle cracks, hits the deck and you have to go get another box.
[18:24] <TenPoundHammer> hehe
[18:24] <Optium> fudgsicle?lol
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[18:25] <TenPoundHammer> yeah
[18:29] <TenPoundHammer> Heh. I saw some Dragon Ball Z valentine cards at the St. Vincent's.
[18:30] <JSleeping> if anyone is interested ->
[18:30] <JSleeping> :)
[18:30] <TenPoundHammer> there were not OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!! of the cards, sadly.
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[18:31] * Chzz_ is now known as Cathy_
[18:31] <JSleeping> This is something interesting ->'t_Seem_Right :)
[18:32] <TenPoundHammer> heh
[18:32] * JSleeping is now known as Jyothis
[18:33] <TenPoundHammer> Jyothis, you could've just used the !adm-- oops
[18:33] * Cathy_ is now known as Chzz
[18:34] <OffToHades> TPH: that was so close it almost caused a breeze in here...
[18:34] <TenPoundHammer> hehe
[18:34] <TenPoundHammer> are there any admins in here?
[18:34] <MisterWiki> Jyothis. Where do I request bot approval on the ml wiki?
[18:34] <Chzz> no
[18:34] <Chzz> pfft
[18:34] <MisterWiki> Or whichever wiki you are sysop?
[18:35] <Jyothis> hold on,
[18:35] <MisterWiki> k
[18:35] * TenPoundHammer prods Rjd0060, stwalkerster, etc. with sticks
[18:36] <stwalkerster> huh?
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> You adminz, stwalkerster?
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> I need deleted plz.
[18:36] <Jyothis> Check that link
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> Simple G6.
[18:36] <stwalkerster> rather inactive, but still
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> just a quick G6, stwalkerster
[18:36] <MisterWiki> Jyothis: Replied on -stewards.
[18:36] <stwalkerster> Waiting for
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> if people could just figure out that you can overwrite a redirect, that'd help massively.
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[18:38] * TenPoundHammer taps his foot
[18:38] <Herodotus> You can't fix stupid®
[18:38] <MisterWiki> ®
[18:38] <MisterWiki> XD
[18:38] <TenPoundHammer> gracias
[18:38] * MisterWiki registers ®
[18:38] <TenPoundHammer> hehe
[18:39] <[Soap]> probably taken
[18:39] <TenPoundHammer> too late
[18:39] <[Soap]> isnti s a song?
[18:39] <TenPoundHammer> yeah
[18:39] <TenPoundHammer> but someone else  took the name for something else without knowing it was a song
[18:39] <MisterWiki> Lol. The first result of google is the userpage of TPH
[18:39] <MisterWiki>
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[18:39] <MisterWiki> And yes, it's taken.
[18:39] <MisterWiki> Hey killiondude®
[18:40] <TenPoundHammer> Sixth result is my ED article!
[18:40] * coffee (~blongy@wikipedia/Coffee) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds )
[18:40] <MisterWiki> you do have a ED article?
[18:40] <MisterWiki> O_0
[18:40] <TenPoundHammer> yeah
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[18:41] <TenPoundHammer> actually, I wrote it myself to see if they'd catch on. They haven't.
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[18:41] <Killiondude> hi
[18:42] <MisterWiki> I'll create an article about me :p
[18:42] <TenPoundHammer> I'm tempted to start throwing stuff at my own ED article, telling of how I used to troll when I was 14
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[18:42] <TenPoundHammer> Just keep throwing stuff in the article and see how long it takes before they catch on , if at all.
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[18:42] <MisterWiki> lol
[18:43] <TenPoundHammer> think I should do that?
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[18:47] <Chzz> TenPoundHammer out yourself as "David Icke" on ED
[18:47] <TenPoundHammer> who?
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[18:48] <Chzz> Oh, if only we had some kind of global internet-based database where we could look up these kinds of thing
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[18:49] <TenPoundHammer> heh
[18:49] <TenPoundHammer> on the second thought, maybe I shouldn't bait ED. Doing so would result in them getting my last name.
[18:49] <TenPoundHammer> Which is a bad thing when you have a weird name like mine.
[18:49] <TenPoundHammer> There aren't that many Bobby Peacocks in the world.
[18:50] <OffToHades> mate, it can't be much more weird than a name most of your work colleagues can't pronounce without buggering up...
[18:51] <OffToHades> And I wouldn't say Bobby Peacock is an unusual or weird name.
[18:53] <MisterWiki> OffToHades: Remember the song I've requested you to remix?
[18:54] <OffToHades> yep
[18:54] <MisterWiki> There you can listen to it for the rythm.
[18:54] <MisterWiki> Or samples, or whatever ;)
[18:55] <[Soap]> there could be someone in here right now who'd put you on ED
[18:55] <OffToHades> thanks
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[18:55] <[Soap]> hi Pickbothmanlol
[18:55] <Pickbothmanlol> hai
[18:56] <MisterWiki> Me, [Soap] ?
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[18:56] <[Soap]> was talking to TenPound
[18:56] <Pickbothmanlol> How's the ten year block?
[18:56] <MisterWiki> boring
[18:56] <TenPoundHammer> ten year block?
[18:56] <Pickbothmanlol> yeah
[18:56] <TenPoundHammer> for what?
[18:56] <Pickbothmanlol> he got blocked for ten years via ANI
[18:57] <Killiondude> Not entirely true.
[18:57] <Pickbothmanlol> I forgot the reason.
[18:57] <Killiondude> Mostly for calling a jewish administrator a nazi.
[18:57] <MisterWiki> A jewish admin?
[18:57] <Killiondude> Yes.
[18:57] <MisterWiki> I generalized.
[18:57] <Pickbothmanlol> But the swastika is a symbol of peace.
[18:57] <Killiondude> The person who was trying to help you was Jewish.
[18:58] <MisterWiki> Someone took the words against himself.
[18:58] <Pickbothmanlol> Horray, I am in Simple's MediaWiki:Titleblacklist‎
[18:58] <MisterWiki> But I don't care now, I'm blocked and I can't do anything against it until may, I think.
[18:59] <MisterWiki> You are happy of being blocked?
[18:59] <OffToHades> it is entirely your own fault, MW.  People try and try and try till they're blue in the face to help you, and you *still* fuck it up.
[19:00] <OffToHades> I don't know why we fucking bother.
[19:00] <Pickbothmanlol> AGF?
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[19:00] <OffToHades> Pick, fuck good faith.
[19:00] <Killiondude> You tried to take down Commons.
[19:00] <Killiondude> We're not going to assume good faith.
[19:00] <OffToHades> We've helped him out of shit before,
[19:00] <MisterWiki> I know it is my fault.
[19:00] <Pickbothmanlol> That was awesome.
[19:00] <Killiondude> Or fail.
[19:00] <MisterWiki> And I'm entirely embarrased about it.
[19:00] <MisterWiki> Not like Pickboth.
[19:01] <OffToHades> embarrassed???? calling a jewish admin a nazi???? You should be shot.
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[19:01] <Pickbothmanlol> ^
[19:01] <Pickbothmanlol> I feel bad for the admin.
[19:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Natalie
[19:01] <Pickbothmanlol> oh no
[19:01] <MisterWiki> I didn't knew he was jewish at all.
[19:02] * cyprian ( Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds )
[19:02] <MisterWiki> And I would like to apologize to him.
[19:02] * Rjd0060 plays Jeopardy music
[19:02] * Natalie sets mode: +b *!~44ddcca7*@*
[19:02] <Killiondude> OffToHades: It's a little overboard to say that somebody should be shot.
[19:02] <Natalie> There we go.
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 19:02:32 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 19:02:32 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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Session Close: Sun Feb 14 19:02:33 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 19:38:53 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[19:38] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
[19:38] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at | If you need a channel operator, say !op followed by your request, or join #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | For urgent assistance or help, type !admin followed by your request. | IRC community meeting on Feb. 24: '
[19:38] * Set by Rjd0060!~Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060 on Thu Feb 11 15:44:00
[19:38] #wikipedia-en url is
[19:38] -ChanServ- [#wikipedia-fr] Canal en UTF-8. La diffusion publique de journaux de ce canal est interdite. Merci de lire et de contribuer à la bonne humeur du canal. Bonne journée !
[19:40] <irregardless>
[19:40] <Killiondude> Haha.
[19:41] * Tim1357 (~gr8kid2b@Wikipedia/Tim1357) Quit (Quit: Tim1357 )
[19:43] <irregardless>
[19:44] * enti342 (~chatzilla@pdpc/supporter/student/enti342) has joined #wikipedia-en
[19:44] <Jyothis> @adminsëdia_made_me_fat
[19:44] * derp blows a booger on Killiondude
[19:44] <Chzz> Killiondude, brace yourself; probably sit down, hold your sides; make sure no glass objects are near, and then watch this;
[19:46] * qemqemqem ( Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds )
[19:46] <Chzz> Scorchio!
[19:47] <ipatrol> I had been working on a wikimedia API framework, but then I found Wikitools for that
[19:47] <Qcoder00> BTW Anyone thats interested, I am planning on doing something intresting in #Wikia-fiction at some point
[19:47] <Qcoder00> ;)
[19:47] <ipatrol> Wikitools is more usable than pywikipedia
[19:47] <Qcoder00> I can't say what yet ,
[19:48] <Chzz> O_O
[19:49] <ipatrol> I'll turn my project into an extension toolkit
[19:49] <Chzz> Butross Butross-Gali
[19:49] * Tim1357 (~gr8kid2b@Wikipedia/Tim1357) has joined #wikipedia-en
[19:49] <derp> ipatrol, i have a wikipedia tool for iphone / ipod touch
[19:50] <derp> I maintain it as a private relase.
[19:50] <Chzz> Killiondude, did u c that vid?#
[19:50] <ipatrol> I was talking about
[19:50] <Killiondude> Yeah, it was muy funny.
[19:50] <Killiondude> :-)
[19:50] <Chzz> :)
[19:50] * derp snuggles with Killiondude.
[19:51] <Killiondude> hey fail
[19:51] <derp> ipatrol, it's valentine's day
[19:51] <derp> go bone your wife.
[19:51] <ipatrol> It's more low-level, but it's much better for being imported into other scripts
[19:51] * closedmouth (~ass@wikipedia/closedmouth) has joined #wikipedia-en
[19:51] <Qcoder00> Ok anyone her got an interest in sci-fi ?
[19:51] <Chzz> s' Scorchio!   It was an ongoing was on every episode, for the whole season. the weather was always "scorchio", and they always closed w/ the Butross Butross-Gali thing
[19:51] <Chzz> Qcoder00 I can't do that, Dave
[19:51] <Jyothis> did anyone handleëdia_made_me_fat ?
[19:51] <ipatrol> derp: I just hate the sappy love notes that come up on valentine's day
[19:52] <derp> well
[19:52] <Qcoder00> Chzz:  2001 :)
[19:52] <ipatrol> Other than that, I bought some choclate-covered strawberries for us
[19:52] <Matthewedwards> what with these red "page notice" links on each article I edit/
[19:52] <derp> it's a good idea to bone your wife, spoil her on a day.
[19:52] <Matthewedwards> ?
[19:52] <Qcoder00> And one of the better Sci- Fi films made :)
[19:52] <derp> so go ahead, bone her.
[19:52] <ipatrol> I heard that choclate is more effective than foreplay
[19:52] <Chzz> that's what *she* sai...yeah, well
[19:52] * lar (~wikipedia@wikimedia/lar) Quit (Quit: What is profound to you may not be profound to a Praying Mantis )
[19:53] <Killiondude> Jyothis: done.
[19:54] * TenPoundHammer watches AFHV
[19:54] <Jyothis> Thanks Killiondude
[19:54] <Killiondude> No problem.
[19:54] <Jyothis> :)
[19:54] * derp huggles TenPoundHammer tightly.
[19:54] <ipatrol> Wikitools is by Mr-Z-Man and bjweeks
[19:55] <Jyothis> I am not sure if anyone counts this as a problem ->
[19:56] * closedmouth (~ass@wikipedia/closedmouth) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds )
[19:57] * closedmouth (~ass@wikipedia/closedmouth) has joined #wikipedia-en
[19:57] <Jyothis> @admins
[19:58] <Chzz> Jyothis u know about UAA?
[19:58] <Jyothis> User access admin? :)
[20:00] <Jyothis> Chzz if I have to report each of them there, I may end up being the heaviest user of that ;)
[20:00] <Chzz> Use All Artichokes
[20:00] * TenPoundHammer ( Quit (Quit: It's hammer time! )
[20:00] <Jyothis> lol Chzz :)
[20:01] <Jyothis> one more ->
[20:01] <Killiondude> closedmouth did that already!
[20:01] <Jyothis> ok
[20:01] <Killiondude> :-D
[20:01] <Chzz> Killiondude, 2quick
[20:01] <Chzz> :;
[20:01] <Chzz> scorchio
[20:01] <Killiondude> He's in some sekrit bot channel that picks up on those.
[20:02] * juliancolton (~JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer )
[20:02] * juliancolton (~JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:02] <Jyothis> Killiondude, there is one bot run by me in #swmbtbot that reports all new user creations across wikis
[20:04] * DanielB (~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:06] * McJack (~McJohn@wikipedia/Amorymeltzer) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:06] <Killiondude> /nick McQuack
[20:06] <Ottava> McQuack?
[20:07] <Ottava> Sounds like a new duck sandwich for McDonalds
[20:07] <stwalkerster> heh, my thoughts exactly
[20:07] <Qcoder00> Ottava: And there's something wrong in eating duck?
[20:07] <Ottava> No
[20:07] <Ottava> But there is something amusing in a McQuack sandwich
[20:09] * McJohn (~McJohn@wikipedia/Amorymeltzer) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds )
[20:09] * McJack is now known as McJohn
[20:10] <Killiondude> stwalkerster!!!!!!!1111
[20:12] <Rjd0060> 111
[20:12] <Ottava> 222?
[20:12] <irregardless> 333.
[20:12] <stwalkerster> 333
[20:12] <Ottava> 444
[20:12] <Chzz> That's numberwang
[20:12] <stwalkerster> heh
[20:12] <Ottava> your mom is numberwang!
[20:14] * Killiondude is now known as killiondude
[20:15] * McJack (~McJohn@wikipedia/Amorymeltzer) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:15] Clones detected from wikipedia/Amorymeltzer: 8 McJohn McJack
[20:16] * McJack (~McJohn@wikipedia/Amorymeltzer) Quit (Client Quit )
[20:18] * McJohn (~McJohn@wikipedia/Amorymeltzer) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds )
[20:18] * mooseberry (~mooseberr@ has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:19] * The_Thing (~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds )
[20:21] * dungodung is now known as dungodung|sleep
[20:22] * Lollipop is now known as [Soap]
[20:27] <Jyothis> @admins ->
[20:27] <killiondude> thx
[20:27] <Rjd0060> Firebombed.
[20:28] <Jyothis>
[20:28] <Jyothis> one more
[20:28] <Rjd0060> assassinated
[20:28] * DanielB (~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel) Quit (Quit: Leaving )
[20:28] <Jyothis> thanks
[20:28] <Jyothis> :)
[20:29] * pakaran (~windrunne@wikipedia/pakaran) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:31] * derp huggles Rjd0060 tightly.
[20:31] <Rjd0060> thanks
[20:31] <Rjd0060> or something
[20:32] <Tim1357> Who is this derp?
[20:32] <killiondude> I don't think you're very thankful.
[20:32] <Tim1357> the /whois isn't really helpful. :)
[20:32] <derp> [[User:Fail]]
[20:32] <derp> on and meta
[20:32] <pakaran> cool
[20:32] <Tim1357> Oh, i thought that was a joke!
[20:32] <Rjd0060> Wikipedia/wikimedia/etc. cloaks always have the username :)
[20:32] <killiondude> an admin on wikimaniawiki
[20:32] <Ottava> Cream is derp
[20:32] <pakaran> wikimaniawiki...
[20:32] <derp> hurrrr hurrrr hurrrr hurrrr derp
[20:32] <pakaran> no wonder our portmanetau names confuse the media
[20:33] <derp> pakaran, i'm admin on a bidding wiki
[20:33] <Rjd0060> The winning one.
[20:33] <Rjd0060> :)
[20:33] <pakaran> nice.
[20:34] * derp has plans to take more pics pretty soon.
[20:34] * Stroppolo (~Stroppolo@Wikipedia/Stroppolo) Quit (Quit: Stroppolo )
[20:34] <killiondude> pix
[20:34] <Jyothis> picks
[20:34] <Jyothis> :)
[20:35] * Ottava yawns
[20:35] * Ottava votes for Jyothis for a third time
[20:35] <Ottava> ;/
[20:35] * Jyothis puts a fly into Ottava's mouth :)
[20:35] <derp> Rjd0060, do you like bagels?
[20:35] * Ottava casts a no this time for that : P
[20:35] <Jyothis> lol Ottava, I dont think they could counts it ;)
[20:35] <Rjd0060> I do
[20:36] <derp> what kind is your favorite
[20:36] <Ottava> Rjd0060 probably likes poppy seed
[20:36] <Ottava> ;/
[20:36] <Rjd0060> Are you a real Canadian?  Isn't it favourite?
[20:36] <Ottava> Favoraboot
[20:36] <Rjd0060> I don't know though, plain? :P
[20:36] <Ottava> ;/
[20:36] <derp> meh
[20:36] <derp> :P
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[20:37] * derp sends Rjd0060 some montreal style bagels with poppy seeds.
[20:37] <Ottava> Derp, wut is this aw aboot?
[20:37] <killiondude> abooot.
[20:37] <Jyothis> will this be considered offensive? ->
[20:37] <Ottava> yes
[20:37] <Ottava> to people who can't feel : (
[20:37] <Rjd0060> Not offensive
[20:37] <Jyothis> okies :)
[20:38] <derp> nay<
[20:38] * derp goes gay on Rjd0060
[20:38] <Rjd0060> Rjd0060 doesn't.
[20:39] * Lara|Love (~Lara@wikimedia/Jennavecia) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds )
[20:41] <Ottava> Rjd0060 doesn't like love?
[20:42] <Rjd0060> Not with other males, no.
[20:42] * Rjd0060 is leaving
[20:42] <Ottava> what about with muffins?
[20:42] <Ottava> >.>
[20:42] <Ottava> Muffins <3
[20:44] * derp throws muffins at Rjd0060
[20:44] * derp throws muffins at Ottava
[20:44] <Ottava> omai
[20:45] * Blurredpeace (~Blurpeace@wikimedia/Blurpeace) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:45] * Blurpeace (~Blurpeace@wikimedia/Blurpeace) Quit (Disconnected by services )
[20:45] * Blurredpeace is now known as Blurpeace
[20:46] * Ottava steals all of derp's maple syrup
[20:46] <Ottava> Now you are screwed!
[20:47] <killiondude> his milkshake brings all the trash to the yard
[20:47] <Ottava> ;/
[20:47] * Ottava gives killiondude a muffin
[20:49] * Matthewedwards (~chatzilla@wikipedia/Matthewedwards) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] )
[20:51] * Qcoder00 (~chatzilla@ Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox] )
[20:51] * quanticle (~Rohit_Pat@wikipedia/Quanticle) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:51] <pakaran> damn right; it's better than YOURS.
[20:53] * Az1568 is now known as otrs
[20:54] <Jyothis> One more guys
[20:55] * Betacommand (~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:55] <Jyothis> @adioms
[20:56] <Jyothis> @admins
[20:56] <Jyothis> grr
[20:56] <quanticle> !admin ^
[20:56] <Jyothis> Please handle them
[20:56] <Jyothis> thanks quanticle
[20:56] <Jyothis> :)
[20:57] <pakaran> yes?
[20:57] <quanticle> Look at Jyothis' links.
[20:57] <closedmouth> please check if they're already blocked before posting
[20:57] <pakaran> indeed, handling noww
[20:57] <pakaran> and blocked
[20:57] <pakaran> ...
[20:57] <pakaran> for 5 minutes
[20:58] <pakaran> Jyothis, firstly, [[WP:UAA]].
[20:58] <pakaran> it tends to get handled reasonably fast
[20:58] <Ottava> brb
[20:58] <pakaran> secondly, when the user isn't editing (which this one didn't get the chance to) I'm nott sure the watchword was needed
[20:58] * coffee punts quanticle
[20:58] <quanticle> Hey coffee
[20:59] <coffee> you pingzored me
[20:59] <quanticle> I've been off because work got busy.
[20:59] * irregardless 
[20:59] <coffee> O_O
[20:59] * coffee punts irregardless
[20:59] * irregardless coffee
[20:59] <quanticle> coffee: Well, I thought it was required.
[20:59] * coffee .
[21:00] * Jyothis stops tracking user creations log.. :)
[21:00] * quanticle drinks coffee
[21:00] <pakaran> Jyothis, it's not a problem - just I don't see any reason not to use UAA.
[21:01] * irregardless ends you and all you love
[21:01] <pakaran> Especially given that with uck in the name, there's a bott who probably already put it there.
[21:01] * coffee directs Jyothis to #wikipedia-en-alerts
[21:01] <Brian_S> Jyothis, remember my channel logs English blocks
[21:01] <Brian_S> :)
[21:01] <pakaran> coffee, thanks, didn't know about that one.
[21:02] <coffee> np
[21:02] <coffee> Jyothis: those accounts had already showed up at #wikipedia-en-alerts
[21:02] * Netalarm (~180d0c2a@Wikimedia/Netalarm) has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:02] * Jyothis hands over that responsibility then and types the fine print out :)
[21:03] * derp huggles coffee tightly.
[21:03] <coffee> [19:52:29] <BetacommandBot4> !alert New user [[Special:Block/Fucku2]] (containing bad phrase "")
[21:03] <coffee> derp: herp a derp
[21:04] <pakaran> coffee, i think we're biting at this point, to be honest.
[21:04] * vishwin (~suse@wikimedia/O) has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:04] * coffee bites a sammich
[21:04] <coffee> pakaran: I was just attempting to inform Jyothis that he could sit in #wikipedia-en-alerts
[21:04] <pakaran> sorry.
[21:05] * coffee bites pakaran
[21:05] * pakaran sniffles and sits in the corner.
[21:05] * Netalarm looks at coffee and hides under his covers
[21:05] <coffee> Boo!
[21:06] * Netalarm retreats even further and calls for help
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 21:07:37 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 21:07:37 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[21:07] * Disconnected
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 21:07:43 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 21:10:04 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[21:10] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
[21:10] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at | If you need a channel operator, say !op followed by your request, or join #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | For urgent assistance or help, type !admin followed by your request. | IRC community meeting on Feb. 24: '
[21:10] * Set by Rjd0060!~Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060 on Thu Feb 11 15:44:00
[21:10] [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support:
[21:10] #wikipedia-en url is
[21:10] <Jyothis> Netalarm, just ring your alarm :)
[21:11] <Netalarm> O.o
[21:11] * quanticle sips coffee
[21:11] <Netalarm> Nice idea~
[21:11] * fastily (~fastily@ has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:12] * Netalarm takes out his rusty old air siren and looks at it
[21:12] <Netalarm> nah, havent used it in a long long time
[21:13] * fastily (~fastily@ Quit (Client Quit )
[21:14] <coffee> heh what irony someone I welcomed back a few months ago, I end up blocking now
[21:14] * DanielB (~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel) has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:14] <coffee>
[21:14] <Jyothis> coffee, thats destiny :)
[21:15] <Jyothis> "one who start shall end it"
[21:16] * DEMO` (~demo` has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:16] * DEMO` is now known as AFRICANMAN
[21:16] <AFRICANMAN> Hello.
[21:16] <AFRICANMAN> black man here.
[21:17] <closedmouth> hey what is up
[21:17] <AFRICANMAN> My wife's clitoris.
[21:17] <AFRICANMAN> How about you?
[21:17] <ipatrol> op?
[21:17] <Brian_S> !op
[21:18] * lol is now known as derp
[21:18] <Brian_S> That's Blackman^
[21:18] <killiondude> I need more evidence.
[21:18] * ChanServ sets mode: +o DanielB
[21:18] * AFRICANMAN (~demo` has left #wikipedia-en
[21:18] <DanielB> that works.
[21:18] * derp huggles DanielB tightly.
[21:18] * ChanServ sets mode: -o DanielB
[21:18] <Jyothis> lol Daedalus969
[21:18] <Jyothis> oops
[21:18] <Jyothis> DanielB
[21:18] <DanielB> im far too slow typing ban commands
[21:18] * AFRICANMAN (~demo` has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:18] <AFRICANMAN> Remember ipatrol, my cock is ready to take you on anytime.
[21:18] * AFRICANMAN (~demo` has left #wikipedia-en
[21:19] <Jyothis> lol, please block him :)
[21:19] <DanielB> yep
[21:19] * ChanServ sets mode: +o DanielB
[21:19] * DanielB sets mode: +b %*!*
[21:19] * ChanServ sets mode: -o DanielB
[21:20] <DanielB> I think that will work. I am an IRC novice relative to most ops
[21:20] * TParis00ap ( has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:20] <quanticle> Man, I am so glad that I'm not an op anymore and that people like DanielB get to deal with the crap for me.
[21:20] * TParis00ap ( Quit (Client Quit )
[21:20] * derp huggles quanticle tightly.
[21:20] <closedmouth> eyyo, i'm a black man with an african drum in my chest that beats to the opposite of the right let me know when i got a breath left
[21:21] <quanticle> closedmouth: Is that a song lyric?
[21:21] <Jyothis> that must be a rap song :)
[21:22] <[Soap]> hmm
[21:22] <[Soap]>  we got a guy with swastikas in his sig
[21:22] <[Soap]> he says he's a Buddhist and it's a symbol of peace
[21:22] <[Soap]> which it is
[21:22] <[Soap]> but I suspect he's being deliberately provocative
[21:23] <pakaran> he shows a fair bit of WP knowledge for a real newbie
[21:23] <pakaran> like his use of edit summaries
[21:23] <[Soap]>
[21:24] <pakaran> (also, how is one of 'buddhist descent' as he says in his signature?0
[21:24] <pakaran> my family have been christians for hundreds of years, but i wouldn't call myself of 'christian descent'.
[21:25] * JamesC93 (~Soxred93@wikipedia/Soxred93) has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:25] <pakaran> yeah...
[21:25] <pakaran> and who makes their first edit an AFD?
[21:25] <pakaran>
[21:25] <[Soap]> betchu Main Edge and the fake anti-Nazi are socks
[21:26] <[Soap]> they were created 1 hour apart
[21:26] <pakaran> are we close to having cause for an SPI, though?
[21:26] * RandomTime (~RT@wikia/randomtime) Quit (Quit:  HydraIRC -> <- )
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[21:28] * Christian75_ ( Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920] )
[21:29] <quanticle> [Soap]: Actually the Swastika was a Hindu symbol long before it was a Buddhist symbol.  If you go to India today, you'll still see swastikas all over the place.
[21:29] <[Soap]> I know
[21:29] <[Soap]> Im not dumb
[21:30] <[Soap]> but even people who've lived their whole lives in India and never met Westerners irl generally know of the other meaning of the symbol and that Westerners are often sensitive about it
[21:31] <Digicrime> can somebody help me?
[21:31] * The_Thing (~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be) has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:32] <Digicrime> with editing?
[21:32] <Digicrime> anyone?
[21:33] * Chzz is now known as Not_Chzz_honest
[21:33] * DanielB (~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel) Quit (Quit: Leaving )
[21:33] * Jyothis is now known as [J^J]
[21:34] <Digicrime> anyone???
[21:36] <[J^J]> whats wring Digicrime?
[21:37] * Tiptoety|away is now known as Tiptoety
[21:37] <Digicrime> when i edit that box that has like bold, itaclizcieze, nowiki, find box, insert picture, etc. doesn't appear
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 21:37:44 2010