Essjay disrobed February 27, 2007 (Blog by Nicholas Carr, now deleted*)
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Last July, the New Yorker ran a long article on Wikipedia. At one point, the author, Stacy Schiff, told
the story of a particularly dedicated and well-qualified contributor to the popular online encyclopedia:
One regular on the site is a user known as Essjay, who holds a Ph.D. in theology and a degree in canon
law and has written or contributed to sixteen thousand entries. A tenured professor of religion at a
private university, Essjay made his first edit in February, 2005. Initially, he contributed to articles in his
field - on the penitential rite, transubstantiation, the papal tiara. Soon he was spending fourteen hours a
day on the site, though he was careful to keep his online life a secret from his colleagues and friends ...
Essjay is serving a second term as chair of [Wikipedia's] mediation committee. He is also an admin, a
bureaucrat, and a checkuser, which means that he is one of fourteen Wikipedians authorized to trace
I.P. addresses in cases of suspected abuse. He often takes his laptop to class, so that he can be available
to Wikipedians while giving a quiz, and he keeps an eye on twenty I.R.C. chat channels, where users
often trade gossip about abuses they have witnessed.
Essjay is also, it now appears, a particularly accomplished liar. In an editor's note in this week's edition,
the New Yorker reports:
Essjay was recommended to Ms. Schiff as a source by a member of Wikipedia's management team
because of his respected position within the Wikipedia community. He was willing to describe his
work as a Wikipedia administrator but would not identify himself other than by confirming the
biographical details that appeared on his user page ...
Essjay now says that his real name is Ryan
Jordan, that he is twenty-four and holds no advanced degrees, and that he has never taught. He was
recently hired by Wikia - a for-profit company affiliated with Wikipedia - as a "community manager";
he continues to hold his Wikipedia positions. He did not answer a message we sent to him; Jimmy
Wales, the co-founder of Wikia and of Wikipedia, said of Essjay's invented persona, "I regard it as a
pseudonym and I don't really have a problem with it."
If credentials don't matter, why bother faking them? Ah, well, Schiff put it best in the final line of her
article: "Your truth or mine?"
Posted by nick at February 27, 2007 01:57 PM |
Comments
[Comments by not included].
Credentials probably helped add credibility to his earlier work on the site, but over time, his cred was
likely attached more to his work than his faked credentials. Sounds a lot like the real world to me.
Posted by: Ed Kohler at February 27, 2007 03:33 PM
"other than by confirming the biographical details that appeared on his user page" It was in Wikipedia!
That makes it truthy ...
Posted by: Seth Finkelstein at February 27, 2007 04:12 PM
Aw, come on now..don't you think it's getting a bit old, bashing Wikipedia? Let's bash Second Life
instead, this magnificent bonfire of vanities deserves it so much more
Posted by: darkobserver at
February 28, 2007 05:39 AM
A liar is a liar is a liar. No excuse for it.
Posted by: Windwing at February 28, 2007 10:40 AM
FYI:
What The New Yorker Article Fraud Tells Us About Wikipedia
"Executive summary: This is the delusion Wikipedia fosters - it's what it is, how it runs."
Posted by:
Seth Finkelstein at March 1, 2007 08:18 AM
I am one of the people who Essjay lied to on a regular basis. I found him to be, in general, insightful.
However, I cannot forgive that he lied to me, or his lies to the Wikipedia community and the public. It
is a disgrace that Jimbo's response to being informed of Essjay's lies was to promote him, and his
choice to do so sends a clear message about Wikipedia.
Wikipedia's credibility as an information source is bad enough without having to deal with having
documented fraudsters as leading contributors.
Posted by: Kelly Martin at March 1, 2007 01:40 PM
For Jimmy not to "have a problem with" Essjay’s identity fraud is essentially for him to declare: you
can falsely claim all sorts of credentials you like on Wikipedia, and not have them. Truth-telling about
yourself really doesn't matter on Wikipedia, and credentials (of course) don’t matter either. Perhaps we
already knew this. But nothing has ever more eloquently illustrated it.
Posted by: Larry Sanger at March 1, 2007 08:27 PM
I just thought for other people reading this blog they should know who Larry Sanger and Kelly Martin
are. Larry was one of the cofounders of Wikipedia, essentially the COO to Wales' as CEO. Many of the
early policies are Sanger's. Kelly Martin is a long time contributor whose held an 2 dozens offices on
wikipedia and has founded many of the committees and structures that exist today. While both of them
are in some sense "exiles" these a people who really understand wikipedia.
Posted by: JeffB at March 2, 2007 03:16 PM
To be frank, I'm a little ashamed of the New Yorkers initial reporting on this. The journalist couldn't
have taken the simple step of finding out where Essjay apparently got his degrees from or where he
taught? A phone call would have disproved the sentences concerning Essjay.
Essjay is honestly the embodiment of Wikipedia -- anyone can write over someone else's history,
including their own. He just happened to invent his up completely.
Posted by: PBH at March 6, 2007 10:54 AM
Wikipedia IS fraud. The whole idea of free editing means nobody takes responsibility for the content.
So propagandists and all sorts of jokers, along with racists, religious bigots and the like are able to
plant their lies at leisure. Wikipedia provides them with a platform and a training ground.
Essjay was not a sophisticated liar, there are many much better than him doing nicely from academic
and journalistic fraud. Indeed, we should be grateful to Essjay for exposing the true nature of
Wikipedia.
Please see my comments on the article about Roger Casement in the discussion page of Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is a disgrace to those involved in it. It should go offline until it sorts out the quality problem.
The editors of articles should have the guts to put their names to what they write. kevin.mannerings@vr-web.de Posted by: lugboy at March 12, 2007 05:14 PM
We never did another Christmas IRC post after the first one years ago, so here is another one.
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03[13:47] * Set by Prodego!~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego on Mon Dec 20 15:14:04
[13:47] <***> Buffer Playback...
[13:47] <BasketOfPuppies> [04:23:24] http://xkcd.com/311/
[13:47] <BasketOfPuppies> [04:23:28] bwahahahaha
[13:47] <BasketOfPuppies> [04:24:35] gnite, all
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:31:01] what the hell does "fail verifiability" mean?
[13:47] <Ktr101> [04:33:10] Ryulong, we checked the link and it doesn't match up to what u said
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:33:18] no
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:33:25] what does "this article fails verifiability" mean
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:33:33] or rather
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:33:39] "It fails to meet verifiability."
[13:47] <Gfoley> [04:33:41] which article
[13:47] <Gfoley> [04:33:43] ?
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:34:04] [[Pucca (TV series)]]
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:34:42] because I brought a user's behavior on a related page to light on ANI, two users have suddenly decided that the entirety of the television program is not notable for inclusion because the articles are unsourced
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:35:04] despite the fact 14 other language Wikipedias have an article for the subject
[13:47] <Chzz> [04:35:21] who cares; it has no references
[13:47] <Chzz> [04:35:28] it'\s not verifiable, so it is useless
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:36:05] unsourced != useless
[13:47] <Ktr101> [04:36:11] slap the users, they're wrong
[13:47] <Chzz> [04:36:12] It says, "aired on Jetix in the United States"
[13:47] <Ktr101> [04:36:30] we have lots of articles without sources but we agf that they exist and are notable
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:36:35] oh look
[13:47] <Chzz> [04:36:36] if I change that to "aired on Sausage TV in Iceland" - how do you know which is correct?
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:36:41] a news article from 3 days ago
[13:47] <Chzz> [04:36:57] ok, so, add a ref, and then it might be of some use
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:37:03] yeah, but Jetix went under
[13:47] <Chzz> [04:37:12] but unreferenced info is just...well, it's just random shit, which anyone could put; it's meaningless
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:37:31] and even if I found an old version of the Jetix website that's not going to be taken as a reliable source or some bullshit like that
[13:47] <Chzz> [04:38:20] yeah; And I imagine they'll remove my "sausage TV" fact too. The bastards!
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:39:56] wow Chzz
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:39:58] you're a douchebag
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:42:15] do you know how hard it is to find references to a television network that got rebranded?
[13:47] <Ryulong> [04:44:51] particularly when Disney uses flash for all of its websites
[13:47] <Ktr101> [05:16:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C80grd2CrTI&feature=related :D
[13:47] <OrangeSuedeSofa> [06:14:21] Any oversighters around right now?
[13:47] <MuZemike> [06:54:29] wtf? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TraN50ttXpk
[13:47] <p858snake> [07:31:06] "What do you not want to see on 3D tv?" "The Biggest Loser"
[13:47] <Shirik> [07:44:06] ...
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [10:39:31] hah!
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [10:39:38] what a bizarrely fascinating book!
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [10:39:39] http://books.google.com/books?id=Wc-UlRRWQ1EC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [10:39:44] y'all gotta read this
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [10:40:36] "the most bizarre scientific expirements ever recorded"
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [10:40:40] and they're all true
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [10:40:49] good source for a new article
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [10:41:06] (as a subject I mean)
[13:47] <Lubaf> [11:14:37] All in all it's just a lame song from 1979.
[13:47] <Lubaf> [11:18:54] Nobody here?
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [11:35:42] anyone know where carmen sandiego is?
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [11:35:54] like, where in the world?
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [11:36:00] oh and waldo
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [11:36:06] where are they?
[13:47] <FastLizard4> [11:37:12] I posit that because we know too much about their momentum, we can never know where they are
[13:47] <OlEnglish> [12:26:03] what if we collapse their wave function?
06[13:47] * Peter-C [13:23:06] waddles around
[13:47] <Peter-C> [13:30:07] Oh FFS
[13:47] <Peter-C> [13:30:18] Someone use the {{infobox person}} template to add an image ><
[13:47] <Peter-C> [13:30:25] *used
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:11:53] and an half-protection for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_child_pornography due to 4chan attacks
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:11:54] again
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:23:21] !admin http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Queensland & http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_child_pornography
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:23:25] protection pleaaase !
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:25:43] thanks
[13:47] <Timotheus_Canens> [14:26:38] garfieldairlines: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Queensland&diff=404039801&oldid=404039776
[13:47] <Timotheus_Canens> [14:26:41] huh?
[13:47] <Delta> [14:26:48] garfieldairlines: STOP spamming !_admin
[13:47] <Timotheus_Canens> [14:27:07] Delta: he did it once
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:27:17] Timotheus_Canens: oh, I has make an erroned revocation
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:27:46] my fault
[13:47] <Delta> [14:28:50] Timotheus_Canens: its been a pattern of non-emergency cases
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:29:35] ...non emergency cases ?
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:29:41] you're kidding...
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:30:05] I've seen worse and pepole used this magic command for it
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:31:01] brb, here it's snowing
[13:47] <Timotheus_Canens> [14:33:20] all
[13:47] <Timotheus_Canens> [14:33:22] blocked
[13:47] <Timotheus_Canens> [14:33:37] 19 total
[13:47] <Delta> [14:40:13] garfieldairlines: please dont use 4chan in your edit summary
[13:47] <garfieldairlines> [14:43:13] ok
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:16:45] Erm...
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:17:01] Nevermind I'm going to ask for oversight
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:29:46] I'm starting to notice a large pattern with Oversight e-mails..
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:30:03] We appreciate you bringing this to our attention, and a member of the Oversight
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:30:05] team has suppressed the information in question. Thanks for the vigilance, and
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:30:06] please let us know of any other edits needing suppression that you see in the future.
[13:47] <Peter-C> [15:31:26] rawr
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:34:21] it's the same thing everytime :P
06[13:47] * Peter-C [15:34:57] licks addihockey10's tears
[13:47] <Chzz_> [15:35:07] of course. The 'oversight' team are, obv, reptile-people and find it hard to type custom emails
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:35:10] ...
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:35:19] well so are ACC too :P
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:35:25] But I've written.
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:35:47] 5 custom e-mails..
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:35:48] out of...
[13:47] <addihockey10> [15:36:38] Dropped 6 ~ Account Created 78 ~ Too Similar 2 ~ Username Taken 2 ~ Username Policy 8
[13:47] <Peter-C> [16:25:13] rawr
[13:47] <Delta> [16:48:44] anyone around?
[13:47] <Mark-Potter> [16:50:03] Why?
[13:47] <Delta> [16:50:30] Mark-Potter: does http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php load for you?
[13:47] <Mark-Potter> [16:50:50] Delta: Forbidden
[13:47] <Mark-Potter> [16:50:50] You don't have permission to access /wikiblame.php on this server.
[13:47] <Mark-Potter> [16:50:56] In other words, no
[13:47] <Delta> [16:51:07] k so im not the only one getting a 403 then
[13:47] <Chzz> [17:14:43] [18:50] <Delta> can someone try to open http://wikipedia.ramselehof.de/wikiblame.php
[13:47] <Chzz> [17:14:44] [18:52] <Chzz> 403
[13:47] <Chzz> [17:14:48] so, yeah; s'broke
[13:47] <Addihockey10> [17:20:23] 403 here too
[13:47] <Addihockey10> [17:20:44] Hey TheCavalry :)
[13:47] <TheCavalry> [17:22:22] hiii
[13:47] <TheCavalry> [17:23:27] Christmas has started in this house
[13:47] <TheCavalry> [17:23:46] presents should be sent to arbcom-l, for the attention of TheCavalry
[13:47] <TheCavalry> [17:23:59] I'll ensure they're distributed 'appropriately'
[13:47] <TheCavalry> [17:24:12] ;)
[13:47] <Mark-Potter> [17:24:19] LOL
[13:47] <Mark-Potter> [17:24:40] p.s replace presents with blocks to understand the joke
[13:47] <PeterSymonds> [17:24:58] ...
[13:47] <TheCavalry> [17:25:31] My idea was more in the 'soliciting bribes' sphere, but hey
[13:47] <***> Playback Complete.
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[13:48] <Addihockey10> How do you get a Wikipedia cloak again?>
[13:48] <PeterSymonds> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Cloaks#Obtaining_a_cloak
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08[13:53] <derp> Merry christmas PeterSymonds
08[13:53] <derp> Merry christmas BarkingFish
08[13:53] <derp> Merry christmas Mark-Potter
08[13:53] <derp> Merry christmas ipatrol
08[13:53] <derp> Merry christmas Peter-C
[13:53] <Mark-Potter> Merry christmas derp, but pls don't flood-beep no offense
[13:53] <ipatrol> Happy belated Hannukka
[13:53] <BarkingFish> Christmas per rectum depositus :)
08[13:53] <derp> It's called Ping Flood :)
08[13:54] <derp> Mark-Potter, plsu you can't do shit :)
[13:54] <ipatrol> actually latin for crap is "fæcum"
[13:55] <Mark-Potter> derp: What do you mean?
08[13:55] <derp> you know what i mean
[13:55] <BarkingFish> ipatrol: What I said was "insert christmas into your arse :)"
[13:55] <BarkingFish> in semi fake latin of course
08[13:55] * derp hugs BarkingFish
[13:56] <ipatrol> as a Jew, I do find "merry christmas" somewhat coarse
06[13:56] * ipatrol gets a latin translator
[13:56] <MuZemike> I thought we were all Jews here 9_9
[13:56] <BarkingFish> MuZemike: santa claus is
08[13:56] <derp> ipatrol, so chinese tonight?
[13:56] <MuZemike> Oh wait, silly me.
[13:56] <MuZemike> "We are all witnesses here."
[13:57] <BarkingFish> 3 years running I asked that tightfisted s.o.b for a bike when I was a kid, and got a toy car, a watch, and a kids encyclopedia.
[13:57] <BarkingFish> He's jewish, no question :)
[13:58] <ipatrol> Rutila Sarcalogos sursum vestri rectus
[13:58] <BarkingFish> Yes, that's what I meant :)
[13:59] <BarkingFish> Mine was mostly fake, ipatrol :D
08[13:59] <derp> learning latin is a good basis for french
[13:59] <ipatrol> or vice versa?
08[13:59] <derp> a lot of french words are based on latin
03[14:02] * Gfoley|reading is now known as Gfoley
[14:02] <ipatrol> literally: "Feast of Christ: insert up [your] ass
[14:02] <ipatrol> "
[14:03] <BarkingFish> perfect
[14:03] <BarkingFish> I couldn't have said it better if I'd wanted to
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[14:11] <Iamred> Santa?
[14:12] <PeterSymonds> Yes?
[14:12] <BarkingFish> Last sighted over Calcutta about an hour ago according to Northern Air Defence
[14:12] <Iamred> He's in Northern Siberia.
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[14:13] <BarkingFish> damn he's moving like hell then
[14:13] <BarkingFish> Next due to land in Samara, Russia in 1.30minutes
[14:13] <Iamred> Yup.
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[14:14] <Chzz> Santa/speed-of-light (inc expln of red-shift in Rudolf's nose) http://www.fnal.gov/pub/ferminews/santa/
[14:14] <Fenix2> hey.. merry x-mas everybody
[14:15] <Iamred> Rudolf should be a cat...
[14:15] <Iamred> "Santa's next stop is: Gori, Georgia 04:24"
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[14:15] <EternalMagma> whoa cool
[14:16] <Iamred> waitwut
[14:16] <BarkingFish> Apparently NORAD track Santa because Rudolph's nose gives off an infrared heat signature, which satellites stationed in GS orbit at 22300 miles above the earth pick up.
[14:16] <EternalMagma> lots of people here for no reason
[14:16] <Iamred> Expalin how we have LIVE FOOTAGE OF SANTA?
[14:16] <Iamred> Heh, expalin.
[14:16] <BarkingFish> where?
[14:16] <Iamred> Google-NORAD.
[14:17] <Iamred> Santa is rolling in Europe.
[14:17] <Addihockey10> Speaking of rolling...
[14:17] <Fenix2> santa
[14:17] <Chzz> don't think he's hit Europe yet, has he?
[14:17] <Iamred> He's in Georgia.
[14:17] <Chzz> s'only about 8PM here
[14:17] <Chzz> oh, rite
[14:17] <BarkingFish> he's in Russia, Chzz, next to Georgia
[14:17] <Chzz> http://xkcd.com/361/ <--- me, I imagine, in a bit
[14:17] <Fenix2> santa's a curious bastard (can I still have my presents?) P-:
[14:17] <Iamred> He's been lurking in Russia for ages.
[14:18] <BarkingFish> www.noradsanta.org/en/santa.html
[14:18] <Iamred> Fenix2, no.
[14:18] <EternalMagma> He's a felon
[14:18] <BarkingFish> oops
[14:18] <Addihockey10> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gl-JmdmzcI santas little helpers?
[14:18] <BarkingFish> http://www.noradsanta.org/en/index.html <<< Northern Air Defence tracking service
[14:18] <Iamred> MY EYES.
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[14:19] <BarkingFish> omfg
[14:19] <Chzz> he appears to be somewhat larger than England, according to that
[14:19] <BarkingFish> someone pass the sick bucket
[14:19] <Dragonfly6-7> sorry, the bucket's too sick to be passed
[14:19] <BarkingFish> i watched the first 3 seconds of that and wanted to hurl
[14:20] <BarkingFish> yaaaaargh
[14:20] <Chzz> ooh, Azerbaijan
[14:20] <Iamred> The bucket is too sexy to be fucked.
06[14:20] * EternalMagma kicks a bucket
[14:20] <EternalMagma> get it?
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[14:20] <Iamred> Yes.
[14:21] <Iamred> Pancake Day - The only day where hitting the ceiling is considered a bad toss.
[14:21] <ipatrol> derp: actually, I have a top sirloin defrosting
[14:21] <Addihockey10> BarkingFish: Santa's little hlpers?
[14:21] <Addihockey10> ;)
[14:21] <Addihockey10> I closed it..
[14:21] <Iamred> Santa's little cunts.
[14:21] <Dragonfly6-7> Iamred, can you stop that please?
[14:21] <Addihockey10> I searched for "Santa rickroll
[14:21] <Iamred> Maybe.
[14:22] <ipatrol> My boss forgot that I don't eat ham, so the company agreed to give us top sirloin and we gave the ham to a food pantry
[14:22] <ipatrol> omaha steaks
[14:22] <Dragonfly6-7> omahahaha
[14:23] <rowan> Iamred: Behave yourself, or else.
[14:23] <EternalMagma> die
[14:23] <rowan> "Santa's little cunts" is not appropriate. This is your warning.
06[14:24] * Iamred slaps Rowan with a cat.
03[14:24] * ChanServ sets mode: +o rowan
03[14:24] * rowan sets mode: +o rowan
[14:24] <rowan> This is your warning, do you understand?
[14:24] <Iamred> hurhurhurhurhur
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[14:24] <BarkingFish> +1
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[14:24] <Dragonfly6-7> ipatrol - re: giving the ham away, that was very considerate of you.
[14:24] <rowan> Oh, shit, stupid quiet script.
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[14:25] <Addihockey10> pwned
[14:25] <rowan> Thankfully I have two of them.
[14:25] <SpitfireWP> :O
06[14:25] * SpitfireWP chuckles
[14:25] <rowan> I just used the wrong one by accident.
06[14:25] * ipatrol grabs rowan's cats with ASPCA gloves
[14:26] <Addihockey10> Sry about that BarkingFish
[14:26] <Addihockey10> Are you scarred for life?
[14:26] <rowan> ipatrol: You behave yourself too, eh?
[14:26] <BarkingFish> What's the difference? They both shut the person up, rowan :)
[14:26] <rowan> Seriously, please respect my personal space?
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[14:26] <rowan> BarkingFish: One undoes it quickly after.
06[14:26] * ipatrol puts the cats in HSUS carriers and runs off
[14:26] <BarkingFish> well that seems kinda pointless...
[14:27] <EternalMagma> Why must the evil people of the word kill cats?
[14:27] <EternalMagma> What did cats ever do to us
[14:27] <Fenix2> EternalMagma: took all our base ?
[14:28] <BarkingFish> scratch, claw, maim, crap on the carpet, rip the furniture?
[14:28] <Dragonfly6-7> Ceiling Cat
[14:28] <EternalMagma> Did you not hear what happen to two kittens recently
[14:28] <Jacnoc> cats are mean as hell (but maybe that's just how the cats were that my grandma (on mom's side) had (who knows)
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[14:29] <SpitfireWP> ...
[14:29] <Dragonfly6-7> my cat is extremely friendly
[14:29] <Addihockey10> Extened kickban?
[14:29] <ipatrol> Cats are mean only to mean humans
[14:29] <Addihockey10> What do you think rowan?
[14:29] <BarkingFish> and other cats
[14:29] <SpitfireWP> How can you kickban someone who isn't here?
[14:29] <Dragonfly6-7> there are a lot of cats in this neighborhood who are nervous and paranoid
[14:29] <EternalMagma> My cat is also really friendly
[14:29] <Addihockey10> Whatever :P
[14:29] <Addihockey10> Samething
[14:29] <Dragonfly6-7> because they're totally feral. No one takes care of them.
[14:29] <ipatrol> well, if they aren't introduced correctly
[14:29] <rowan> Addihockey10: If he doesn't come back, it doens't matter.
[14:30] <Addihockey10> Okies
[14:30] <Jacnoc> there's at least 1 cat in this neighborhood that whatever idiot owns it lets it wander around the neighborhood (gonna end up dead someday most likely)
[14:30] <Jacnoc> hate when people let their pets wander
[14:30] <Dragonfly6-7> ipatrol - yeah, there's a crucial threshhold age of about 2-3 weeks
[14:30] <Jacnoc> keep it in your damn yard
[14:30] <ipatrol> feral cats don't like humans. If you see a new litter of feral kittens, snatch them from the mother quickly.
[14:30] <EternalMagma> my cat goes outside, but stays in the area
[14:30] <BarkingFish> Santa will be getting NATO support shortly, he's going to Teheran in 4 minutes :D
[14:31] <EternalMagma> once found her half the way throughout the neighbourhood, took her back and she didn't go back again
[14:31] <Dragonfly6-7> if they haven't encountered any humans by that point, it's a LOT harder for them to be friendly
[14:31] <BarkingFish> let's hope he doesn't go down one of the big chimneys with the glowing green light at the bottom :D
[14:31] <ipatrol> Before 5 weeks, you can take them and they still won't have any opinion of humans yet, so they can be domesticated
[14:31] <EternalMagma> yay I started a conversation about cats
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[14:34] <ipatrol> get cat milk substitute from your local vet, pet store, or vetrinary pharmacy and begin lining up homes. Use their origin to garner sympathy
[14:34] <ipatrol> then check each home and owner before, and randomly after adoption
06[14:36] * slakr mrows
[14:36] <ipatrol> the ASPCA, HSUS, or the ACA can help you
[14:36] <slakr> or if you want a cat, raise them from kittenhood
[14:37] <ipatrol> heh, my cat is poking and sniffing some papers
[14:37] <Dragonfly6-7> I rescued my cat after he was abandoned
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[14:37] <Dragonfly6-7> he spent almost a month wandering around the neighborhood and crying, after his previous people moved out and left him behind
[14:37] <Dragonfly6-7> I kept thinking someone else would take him in
[14:37] <slakr> you were that someone
[14:38] <slakr> cat's like, "suckah!"
[14:38] <slakr> :P
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[14:40] <Dragonfly6-7> after a while I noticed he had this big infected wound on his flank
[14:40] <Dragonfly6-7> and I got worried
[14:41] <Dragonfly6-7> and then after several days, I noticed it was getting better
[14:41] <slakr> http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/indiana/male-genital-snow-sculpture-disgusting-share1293058734702 <--- lol, that'd never hold up in court
[14:41] <Dragonfly6-7> so I thought someone wsa taking care of him
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[14:41] <slakr> "Neighbors along North 7th Street in Lafayette said two sculptures of male genitals were simply "disgusting." The sculptures have since been torn down, but the controversial issue still serves as a reminder that obscene sculptures do violate state law."
[14:41] <Dragonfly6-7> but then I talked to a guy up the street
[14:41] <Dragonfly6-7> he said he'd felt sorry for the cat
[14:41] <Dragonfly6-7> so he took him in, cleaned the wound, put some antibiotic on
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[14:42] <Dragonfly6-7> and then threw him back out
[14:42] <slakr> aww
[14:42] <Dragonfly6-7> so at that point I said fuck it, no one ELSE is going to take this cat
[14:42] <Dragonfly6-7> so I went into the alley and just picked him up and brought him in.
[14:42] <slakr> the cat must have been like, "dude. wtf? what'd I do?"
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[14:42] <Dragonfly6-7> I've named him "Patches"
[14:43] <Dragonfly6-7> http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/crime/man-barges-into-home-on-christmas-eve
[14:43] <Dragonfly6-7> the headline says "Drunk man walks into home, vomits twice"
[14:44] <Dragonfly6-7> and you think... uh, so?
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[14:45] <Gigs> here comes santa claus
[14:45] <Dragonfly6-7> here comes yog-sothoth, here comes yog-sothoth, right down yog-sothoth lane
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[14:47] <Gigs> I played a version of "silent night" in Welsh in the car and my wife said "Is that Klingon"?
[14:47] <Dragonfly6-7> ah, question of style: [[Sarah Ann Henley]] is about an incident that happened in 1900. Should we refer to her as "Ms" Henley, or "Miss" Henley?
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[14:48] <Gigs> neither
[14:48] <Gigs> encyclopedic style on names is like newspapers... full name first time and then only last name
[14:48] <Gigs> so just Henley
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[15:12] <Ironholds> foks: your missus is a rutter
[15:12] <foks> I know
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[15:18] <foks> I was 90% sure you can't close an AfD as "merge"
[15:19] <PeterSymonds> Sure you can.
[15:19] <PeterSymonds> Nobody ever bothers, though.
[15:19] <foks> Courcelles did.
[15:19] <foks> Ah well
[15:20] <foks> Annoyingly he's merged it to an FL of mine
[15:20] <foks> oh go away fastlizard
[15:20] <PeterSymonds> Ooh.
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[15:20] <foks> )<
[15:20] <foks> no.
[15:20] <foks> ):<
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[15:38] <OlEnglish> merry christmas eve everyone
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[15:47] <Chzz> OlEnglish mmm, merry wossname. I'm tracking the red bugger, in ##chzz. Last heard was, erm... TwitFeed SANTA: Santa spotted in Zanzibar, Tanzania on NORAD radar! Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:33:23
[15:47] <Chzz> apparently, also, it is possible to tell how fast he is travelling by the colour that Rudolf's nose appears - due to Doppler shift
[15:52] <slakr> o/~ mr hankey the christmas poo, he loves me and I love you, therefore vicariously he loves you...
[16:03] <Gigs> chzz if that were the case, the time dilation would mean that his time of flight is actually longer than the time that passed on the ground
[16:03] <Gigs> he must have a hard time keeping his GPS clocks synchronized
[16:03] <Chzz> mmm, I imagine so
[16:04] <Chzz> there's some info on the topic here, Gigs: http://www.fnal.gov/pub/ferminews/santa/
[16:07] <Gigs> hmm the chimney explanation is interesting. Except he'd then explode out of the side of your house at .999C
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[16:12] <MuZemike> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Santa_Claus&diff=403755271&oldid=403753835
[16:13] <PeterSymonds> :o
[16:13] <Gigs> they killed santa!
[16:13] <Gigs> Gigs added Category:2010 deaths using HotCat
[16:13] <PeterSymonds> http://www.noradsanta.org/en/index.html
[16:14] <PeterSymonds> Liars.
[16:14] <Chzz> fetchy is a killjoy
[16:14] <Gigs> it's going to snow here tomorrow
[16:15] <Chzz> s'snowing a little bit here, at the moment
[16:15] <Gigs> the first stereotypical christmas in a while
[16:15] <Gigs> at least the first heavy snow that I can ever remember on christmas
[16:15] <PeterSymonds> It's going to be sunny here tomorrow.
[16:15] <PeterSymonds> Snow on Sunday.
[16:15] <PeterSymonds> Typical!
[16:17] <Gigs> But I would like to remind everyone that when a google search on 'Santa Claws' is performed wikipedia's article is the first result
[16:17] <Gigs> screw that, it should be a lolcat
[16:18] <Gigs> "Therefore the article is NOT written in a neutral point of view and violates wikipedia's guidelines!!! Now I believe that wikipedia MUST change the wording in the article, NOT only to protect children, but because it violates it's guidelines!!"
[16:18] <Chzz> claws?
[16:18] <Chzz> eek
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[16:21] <Dragonfly6-7> link please
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[16:21] <Gigs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Claws
[16:21] <KimiSleep> http://google.com
[16:21] <Dragonfly6-7> it perplexes people if, when they tell you "merry christmas", you politely say "no thank you"
[16:21] <Gigs> df67 the talk page for santa claus is what I was referring to
[16:22] <KimiSleep> you know
[16:22] <KimiSleep> I'm a staunch athiest but
[16:22] <KimiSleep> I don't see hwo that reply works well
[16:22] <Gigs> HIS SLAY BELLS ARE RINGING . ... SANTA CLAWS
[16:22] <Herodotus> The top of that article says "For the mythical figure, see Santa Claus." This is POV as there is significant debate among a notable section of the population about the veracity of Santa Claus.
[16:22] <KimiSleep> you're better off just saying thank you or whatever
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[16:22] <KimiSleep> [[WP:FRINGE]]
[16:22] <Gigs> KimiSleep: I'm an athiest and "you too" works well
[16:22] <KimiSleep> Good night, Ironholds
[16:22] <KimiSleep> Or is good night just for leaving
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[16:22] <Herodotus> Are you calling my children fringe theorists, KimiNewt?
[16:23] <KimiNewt> Yes
[16:23] <KimiNewt> when is christmas
[16:23] <KimiNewt> I don't even know
[16:23] <KimiNewt> I mean
[16:23] <KimiNewt> what do you actualyl do
[16:23] <Herodotus> Go eat Chinese food then.
[16:23] <KimiNewt> It's 23:23 now
[16:23] <KimiNewt> I'm not doing anything but going to sleep
[16:23] <Herodotus> :-)
[16:24] <KimiNewt> in fact I was suppsoed to be asleep about four hours ago
[16:24] <Ironholds> I was supposed to be writing an article
[16:24] <KimiNewt> at least I pretended to go to sleep then
[16:24] <Ironholds> but I can't remember what
[16:24] <Gigs> KimiNewt: it's pretty simple. You just spend a lot of money at wal mart.
[16:25] <KimiNewt> I see
[16:25] <KimiNewt> I don't like holidays
[16:25] <Gigs> I see.
[16:25] <KimiNewt> There was hannukah a while ago
[16:25] <KimiNewt> I don't like that holiday especially
[16:25] <Gigs> do small wooden spinning tops scare you?
[16:26] <KimiNewt> I haven't seen a wooden one in years, so I guess not
[16:26] <KimiNewt> Perhaps it's the fear of a rare one appearing
[16:26] <Gigs> hebrew recitations do sound like some demonic possession
[16:27] <Herodotus> The Hora of it all is too much for him.
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[16:27] <KimiNewt> Languages you don't speak often do
[16:27] <Gigs> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg
[16:27] <Gigs> this man is obviously ill
[16:28] <Gigs> his head has strange stripes
[16:28] <KimiNewt> I can't even tell what he's saying
[16:28] <KimiNewt> When I hear those kind of things
[16:28] <KimiNewt> I get very sad
[16:28] <Gigs> you know hebrew?
[16:28] <KimiNewt> Yes
[16:28] <Gigs> neat
[16:28] <Herodotus> What about Arabic?
[16:28] <KimiNewt> Not really
[16:28] <Gigs> well there are captions in english there
[16:29] <KimiNewt> I learned it in middle and high school
[16:29] <KimiNewt> but I forgot most of it
[16:29] <KimiNewt> I can read/write
[16:29] <KimiNewt> my vocab is the basics + words that are about the same in Hebrew
[16:29] <KimiNewt> Like an English-speaking trying to speak perhaps?
[16:29] <KimiNewt> *speak Spanish
[16:29] <KimiNewt> It's very late
[16:29] <Gigs> no... you buy
[16:30] <KimiNewt> Well, it's not very late. But I'm very tired.
[16:30] <Gigs> you better go to sleep so that an omniscient being can judge your behavior and either give you coal or eternal life
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[16:31] <Herodotus> In Canada they have to know enough French to make a duplicate of every document and pretend it has equal footing.
[16:31] <KimiNewt> God only works while you're sleeping?
[16:31] <KimiNewt> So you're saying if I commit a sin, I might as well do loads more
[16:31] <KimiNewt> as his DB is only updated at night
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[16:31] <Gigs> yeah but sometimes Jesus turns off cron and forgets to update the crontab
[16:32] <KimiNewt> You lost me there
[16:32] <KimiNewt> oh wai
[16:32] <KimiNewt> t
[16:32] <KimiNewt> now I remembered
[16:32] <Dragonfly6-7> Go eat your own leg.
[16:32] <KimiNewt> Jesus uses Solaris anyway
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[16:32] <KimiNewt> It's an obvious choice for people living in the sky
[16:32] <Gigs> the father, the Sun, and the holy spirit?
[16:33] <KimiNewt> Indeed
[16:33] <KimiNewt> it reminds me of that song
[16:33] <KimiNewt> how soon is now
[16:33] <Gigs> solaris is like linux if you let your 5 year old son drag files into random locations
[16:33] <KimiNewt> I am the sun and the air
[16:33] <KimiNewt> or: I am the son and the heir
[16:33] <KimiNewt> never used solaris I'm afraid
[16:34] <Gigs> well there's like 5 different locations for binaries
[16:34] <Gigs> and they are never in your path
[16:34] <Gigs> just to make things more fun
[16:34] <KimiNewt> that happens with linux too..
[16:34] <KimiNewt> when your shit is on the network
[16:34] <KimiNewt> in various places
[16:34] <Dragonfly6-7> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bananadine&curid=1664641&diff=404055305&oldid=403862374 - I absolutely don't see any difference between the two versions
[16:34] <Dragonfly6-7> anyone else?
[16:34] <Gigs> yeah but not by design, unless you get a weird app that install in /opt or
[16:35] <Gigs> Dragonfly6-7: it's AWB, it doesn't have to make ACTUAL changes to articles, it's just a way to get a higher score so you can win the wiki
[16:35] <KimiNewt> yawn
[16:35] <KimiNewt> speaking of tech
[16:35] <KimiNewt> I have to do a lecture about some tech topic but the problem is
[16:36] <KimiNewt> I forgot the list of alllowed topics
[16:36] <Herodotus> Gigs speaks the truth. There was probably a double space somewhere.
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[16:36] <KimiNewt> I remember Chrome OS, FPGA, vector graphics and uh
[16:36] <KimiNewt> unity game engine
[16:36] <KimiNewt> oh and HTML5
[16:37] <KimiNewt> I thought I'd do about Chrome OS but everyone already knows all there is to know about it
[16:37] <Gigs> hmm I have a topic for you kimi
[16:37] <KimiNewt> We have to pick one from a list
[16:37] <Gigs> The white house recently said that we should stop building bigger supercomputers because it's just a wang size contest
[16:37] <Gigs> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202302/White_House_says_supercomputing_arms_race_could_prove_costly
[16:37] <Gigs> you shoudl lecture on how FPGA pased Application specific CPUs can blow massive clusters out of the water
[16:38] <Gigs> like the EFF DES Crackers
[16:38] <Herodotus> That doesn't prevent you from prognosticating about how it is simultaneously doomed to failure and the future of computing.
[16:38] <Gigs> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFF_DES_cracker
[16:38] <KimiNewt> yeah I'm gonna do it on something more simple
[16:39] <Dragonfly6-7> Gigs - and we can't use liquid helium to cool them
[16:39] <Dragonfly6-7> because America is squandering its helium reserve
[16:39] <Gigs> we can make more Dragonfly6-7
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[16:40] <Chzz> Dragonfly6-7 a diff showed those revs are, yes, totally identical. BTW. Not that anyone will care much, but meh. I wondered.
[16:40] <Gigs> we just hire asians to pick protons off of lithium atoms
[16:40] <Herodotus> Why is there Family Guy on my main page?
[16:41] <KimiNewt> Herodotus - let's be mature about this
[16:41] <KimiNewt> You know it's about the article, not the subject of the article
[16:41] <KimiNewt> that's the featured part
[16:41] <Herodotus> Of course.
[16:41] <Gigs> yeah that didn't go over well when strap-on dildo was article of the day
[16:41] <KimiNewt> Haha
[16:41] <KimiNewt> When was that?
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[16:42] <KimiNewt> Must have missed it
[16:42] <Gigs> a while back... furrywolf or whatever eventually failed his RfA over it
[16:42] <KimiNewt> I've seen 4chan and cuntlane or something like that
[16:42] <KimiNewt> It was some street notable for having a name closely related to some profanity or other
[16:42] <slakr> omfg when was strap-on dildo on the main page?
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[16:43] <foks|vaek> Gropecunt Lane
[16:43] <KimiNewt> right
[16:43] <Chzz> mmm, that.
[16:43] <Chzz> nice article
[16:43] <foks|vaek> Obviously named after ... cunts being groped.
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[16:43] <foks|vaek> :3
[16:43] <Gigs> oh sorry it wasn't article of the day, but it had a DYK and it was a FAC
[16:43] <Chzz> yes, actually, it *is*, foks|vaek
[16:43] <Gigs> the DYK was on the main page
[16:43] <KimiNewt> you don't really.. grope a cunt.. do you?
[16:43] <foks|vaek> Chzz, I know :P
[16:43] <KimiNewt> I mean, I haven't much experience
[16:43] <KimiNewt> but groping seems to be a different action
[16:43] <foks|vaek> KimiNewt, running your fingers through a female... uh
[16:43] <foks|vaek> yeah, you can.
[16:43] <foks|vaek> :3
[16:44] <foks|vaek> It was a hotspot for prostitution afaik
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[16:44] <Chzz> talking of which, did you hear about the campaign to make the Xmas number 1 in the UK, "Use my arsehole as a cunt" by Kunt and the gang?
[16:44] <foks|vaek> Perhaps not the most surprising fact n the world
[16:44] <Chzz> it's kinda failed. It's made it to about #66 though
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[16:44] <foks|vaek> lolol
[16:44] <foks|vaek> I did not
[16:44] <foks|vaek> And they all failed
[16:44] <KimiNewt> should have told people to stop and just settle for #69
[16:44] <Gigs> you all scared off thorncrag
[16:44] <foks|vaek> I think a lot of people don't realise iTunes only counts one purchase by each account
[16:44] <KimiNewt> cut the losses
[16:45] <foks|vaek> So they buy it heaps but it only counts once
[16:45] <HelloAnnyong> i sure am glad someone had the foresight to create a redirect for [[Use my arsehole as a cunt]]
[16:45] <foks|vaek> HelloAnnyong, :3
[16:45] <slakr> isn't the name, itself, a bit of a redirect?
[16:46] <HelloAnnyong> who knows.
[16:46] <foks|vaek> Kinda.
[16:46] <slakr> kind of like [[Cunt]] --> #REDIRECT [[Arsehole]]
[16:46] <Dragonfly6-7> pegging was on the front page, but it was as a DYK
[16:46] <foks|vaek> Oh, look, another dog-kills-human news story on BBC
[16:46] <Gigs> Dragonfly6-7: I think pegging was another one of furrywolf's articles
[16:46] <Gigs> he sure talked about it enough
[16:46] <Dragonfly6-7> tomorrow's FA is [[Atheism]]
[16:47] <foks|vaek> I might point out that Furrywolf is not a registered account name
[16:47] <HelloAnnyong> Dragonfly6-7: seriously?
[16:47] <Gigs> foks|vaek: yeah sorry I don't remember his wiki name
[16:47] <slakr> nonsense
[16:47] <slakr> it's lemurs.
[16:47] <Gigs> let me look it up
[16:47] <HelloAnnyong> who made that decision..
[16:47] <foks|vaek> Gigs, ah, okay
[16:47] <Dragonfly6-7> HelloAnnyong - of course not.
[16:47] <foks|vaek> Atheism's a taboo subject now?
[16:47] <slakr> with an adorable picture
[16:47] <foks|vaek> Whut
[16:47] <Dragonfly6-7> I'm bullshitting you.
[16:48] <HelloAnnyong> -_-
[16:48] <KimiNewt> Don't think it's taboo
[16:48] <slakr> it looks like the lemurs are high
[16:48] <KimiNewt> Not more than Gropecunt lane
[16:48] <KimiNewt> [[Lemur]] ?
[16:48] <slakr> and the one on the right is laughing about something
[16:48] <HelloAnnyong> it's not taboo, but it'd be a pretty [[WP:POINT]]y thing to do
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[16:48] <Chzz> HelloAnnyong, I made a redir, the other day, but from the 'correct' caps.
[16:48] <foks|vaek> Dragonfly6-7, lol, I totally JUST got it
[16:48] <KimiNewt> Ooooh Madagascar
[16:48] <Dragonfly6-7> I don't think [[atheism]] is even an FA
[16:48] <foks|vaek> Hey, I don't feel Christmassy
[16:48] <foks|vaek> Dragonfly6-7, and yes, it is
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Session Start: Fri Dec 24 22:32:05 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
03[22:32] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
03[22:32] * Topic is 'English WP: http://en.wikipedia.org | Status: http://bit.ly/wstatus | Channel guidelines at http://bit.ly/OiAr | For a channel operator ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops followed by request | For *emergency* admin help say !admin followed by your request | Fundraiser live in #wikimedia-fundraising | No public logging'
03[22:32] * Set by Prodego!~Prodego@wikipedia/Prodego on Mon Dec 20 15:14:04
[22:32] <***> Buffer Playback...
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:42:07] Mason? Masonic? coup?!?!
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:42:08] Masonic-Zionist-Communist*
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:42:11] well, that's just silly. I just got a present from him.
06[22:32] * WikiCopter [23:42:15] is confused
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:42:18] lol
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:42:27] how old are u, chzz?
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:42:33] it says 'from Santa' on the label and everything, so, obviously he's real
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:42:36] to get a present from santa?
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:42:38] LOL
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:42:42] I wrapped one of them
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:42:46] so I'm a santa
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:42:55] and im in washington state
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:42:56] We're all Santa's in our heart.
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:43:03] well,
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:43:09] in that sense santa is real
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:43:17] but not THE santa
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:43:18] Chzz, how have you been anyways? Haven't talked to you in a while.
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:43:28] i never talk to chzz
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:44:07] if you want to see the hard science behind it, WikiCopter, have a look at http://www.fnal.gov/pub/ferminews/santa/
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:44:39] Leonard^Bloom, yep, fine; not been around much, 'coz I've been 'homeless' for the past 2 months, after selling a house! I move in to a new place on 1st Jan, and after that I should be more active again
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:45:25] wow, chzz
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:45:31] i dont believe this
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:45:35] this is crazy
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:45:39] and hilarious
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:45:51] Excited for the new place? I've been looking for an apartment downtown lately, with no luck.
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:46:02] the gov thinks santa is real, or doing a good job of making everybody think it is
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:46:50] Leonard^Bloom yep, it looks good; it's v close to Manchester - so should be fun. Just renting, and possibly only for 6 months or so, but yep...it's nice, modern, and so on
[22:32] <slakr> [23:47:03] actually it's been a massive coverup for decades now
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:47:10] slakr is in on it
[22:32] <WikiCopter> [23:47:13] for santa?
[22:32] <slakr> [23:47:14] they're just embracing it now
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:47:17] well 'modern' inside - 'coz it's all furnished. But it's actually converted, from an old Victorian house. I think there are about 6 flats in the whole building
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:47:28] that sounds sick
[22:32] <slakr> [23:47:45] it's like how they declassify documents
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:47:48] congrats on finding it, I imagine a good place would be hard to find; it certainly is out here
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:47:49] it's in a v nice area...almost like a 'village'. Lots of neat little shops
[22:32] <slakr> [23:47:51] now they're declassifying santa.
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:48:01] but I'll be able to get into Manc. in about 20 mins, so all good, yeah
[22:32] <slakr> [23:48:08] :P
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:48:14] slakr is Santa.
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:48:19] now, just have to buy a huge television and stuff, in the sales. I'll be doing that, in the next few days.
[22:32] <WikiCopter|Away> [23:48:21] gotta go
[22:32] <WikiCopter|Away> [23:48:22] bye
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:48:27] And a PS3, and a new computer or three. And things like that.
[22:32] <WikiCopter|Away> [23:48:35] was nice chatting
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:49:13] When you get a new PS3 tell me; we'll play some time, depending on what games play.
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:49:25] not *quite* sure when I'll move in. on or before the 1st. So, yeah; gotta get a new telly. Oh, and stuff like a kettle, and so on.
[22:32] <Netalarm> [23:49:35] slakrsanta, no slacking off this Christmas... you fell down my chimney last year
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:49:37] mmm, will do
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:49:39] Brits need their kettle.
06[22:32] * slakrsanta [23:49:47] postpones delivering presents to that little island west of great britain
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:49:51] might take a week or so to get my internet hooked up, I suppose
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:49:57] I can use the 3G temporarily.
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:50:10] Looks like I can get 50mb over fibre, at the new place, so that'll be cool.
[22:32] <Brian_S> [23:50:12] Chzz :D
[22:32] <Brian_S> [23:50:15] Leonard^Bloom!
06[22:32] * slakrsanta [23:50:16] needs coffee first
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:50:20] 'sup Brian?
[22:32] <Brian_S> [23:50:30] Hi!
[22:32] <Brian_S> [23:50:30] :D
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:50:43] According to the postcode-check, anyway.
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:50:57] "Virgin" cable, that is. Fastest we can get in the UK, for now.
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:51:24] pity that is the best.
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:51:34] In Japan, 100mb was just...normal, standard.
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:51:34] oh well
[22:32] <slakrsanta> [23:51:41] whoh... this one kid, Bjorkovic Djavalani was a a little turd earlier this year. I'd give him coal but he'd set a building on fire
06[22:32] * slakrsanta [23:52:04] gives him a copy of White Chicks instead
06[22:32] * slakrsanta [23:52:13] chuckles merrily
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:52:15] slakrsanta: Why would you do that to anyone.
[22:32] <slakrsanta> [23:52:42] you have no idea how evil this kid was
[22:32] <Netalarm> [23:52:52] Chzz, http://www.speedtest.net/result/1083922039.png
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:52:56] Chzz: I think South Korea has the fasted internet standards
[22:32] <Netalarm> [23:53:01] much better than what I have right now...
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:53:16] on my 3G? You'll just laugh!
[22:32] <{Soap}> [23:53:26] Korea is #1 in the world? Really?
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:53:26] 0.64Mbps down, it says
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:53:27] hehe
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:53:49] mmm, Korea is fastest on average
[22:32] <Chzz> [23:53:51] Japan is quite close
[22:32] <Netalarm> [23:54:23] what do you need internet that fast for?
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:54:37] {Soap}: _South_ Korea is. No comment on their Northern brethren.
[22:32] <{Soap}> [23:54:46] well yeah
[22:32] <{Soap}> [23:55:00] its common practice to say just "Korea" for South Korea. I know it's technically wrong
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [23:55:12] Yeah, I'm just being nitpicky.
[22:32] <{Soap}> [23:55:31] its sort of like how people used to say "Red China" for China-PROC and "Free China" for Taiwan
[22:32] <{Soap}> [23:55:45] in fact I wonder if we have redirects for those
[22:32] <{Soap}> [23:56:20] sort of
[22:32] <{Soap}> [23:56:28] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_China
[22:32] <Lubaf> [23:56:29] Interesting. Majora's Mask won GameFaq's Game Of The Decade.
[22:32] <{Soap}> [23:59:52] snowstorms are causing chaos in northwest Europe this year
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:00:10] with no end in sight. I guess the theme song of England is "I'm Dreaming of a Green Christmas"
[22:32] <Lubaf> [00:01:44] It's actually not a bad choice for game of the decade.
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [00:03:26] Majora's Mask was scary
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:03:27] it won for 2000-2009, I assume
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [00:03:34] The fate of the world rested in your hands
[22:32] <Lubaf> [00:03:43] 2001-2010, actually.
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:04:02] but Wikipedia says it was released in April 2000
[22:32] <Lubaf> [00:04:38] Leonard^Bloom: And one of the nice things about the time travel conceit is that it actually allowed you to see the end of the world, so that responsibility felt much heavier.
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:05:02] Chrono Trigger did that too though
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [00:05:09] Lubaf: Exactly. And the almost intimate ways you could get to know the characters and NPCs didn't help much either. :P
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [00:05:16] I love Chrono Trigger.
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:05:36] me too
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:05:46] I still played it on an emulator until about 2 years ago
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:05:58] when I finally got interested in modern games
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:06:11] because I had bought a modern computer
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:22:28] Elen of the Roads has exactly 9000 edits according to popups
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:25:37] wow, that's OVER.... <nowait>
06[22:32] * Netalarm [00:25:47] falls over
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:26:23] Sanda is approaching the Falklands, BTW. Goose Green in about 30 mins, apparently
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:26:34] *Santa
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:29:58] and to answer the earlier queries - apparently, Santa is in radio-contact with NORAD. And Mrs. Obama has been taking phone calls of updates. According to the tweets, anyway.
[22:32] <Leonard^Bloom> [00:33:30] the First Lady is also the Secretary of Christmas
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:34:44] ah, right. makes sense
[22:32] <Gigs> [00:35:10] one year santa set his transponder code wrong and was escorted to the ground by fighter jets
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:36:34] oops.
[22:32] <foks> [00:36:35] +r ):
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:36:40] maybe that's why they do all the tracking stuff now
[22:32] <foks> [00:36:44] Also, I totally can't sleep. ):
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:38:45] I would imagine that the Americas are the trickiest part for him given the high latitudinal populations.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:39:00] So I imagine he's having a bit of a breather, doing the various little islands on the way over.
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:40:25] "the electrics"
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:40:30] is that a British expression?
[22:32] <foks> [00:40:44] ...Is it?
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:40:48] for any mess of electrical wires/inside applirances
[22:32] <foks> [00:40:57] It means the electrical workings of (eg) a building
[22:32] <foks> [00:41:01] yeah
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:41:02] yeah
[22:32] <foks> [00:41:07] Must be, then
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:41:08] I dont think Americans really have a word for it
[22:32] <foks> [00:41:11] What do you --
[22:32] <foks> [00:41:13] oh.
[22:32] <foks> [00:42:17] Chzz, how do you pronounce "Southwark"
[22:32] <foks> [00:42:41] Is it "South-wark", "South-work", "Sutherk" or "South-erk"
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:43:51] suthuk
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:43:54] ˈsʌðɚk/
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:43:57] "electrics" (plural) doesnt even seem to be in dictionary.com
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:44:01] but it's on wiktionary
[22:32] <MuZemike> [00:44:03] South-wark
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:44:14] no its not MuZemike :)
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:44:19] like 'suck' for the first bit
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:44:25] no, it's not South-wark, honest.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:44:28] I used to live there.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:44:34] Well, Borough. Which is close enough
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:44:37] I usually say Sutherk :)
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:44:47] yeah, something like that
[22:32] <foks> [00:45:09] Ah
[22:32] <foks> [00:45:11] Okay
[22:32] <foks> [00:45:16] Crazy Londoners
[22:32] <foks> [00:45:24] At least go MAD like "Garioch"
[22:32] <foks> [00:45:32] Which is pronounced...
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:45:33] s'nice area, SE1
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:45:36] I liked it there.
[22:32] <foks> [00:45:37] have a guess
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:45:53] in central London, but, still, kinda 'villagey'. Good pubs, and so on
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:46:18] Garitch, I'd guess?
[22:32] <foks> [00:46:21] Nope
[22:32] <foks> [00:46:25] And that's nice!
[22:32] <foks> [00:46:29] I've been once
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:46:30] Chzz: I've noticed something. London seems to be the only place in the UK where people tell you where they come from by giving you their postcode :)
[22:32] <foks> [00:46:40] London's HUGE
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:46:44] mmm, well, the middle of London, yeah
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:46:48] It'd be like me saying "Oh, I'm from MK5"
[22:32] <foks> [00:46:49] Westminster has city status itself, iirc
[22:32] <foks> [00:46:58] Anyway
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:03] "Garioch"
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:04] Is prononced
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:06] "Gee-ree"
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:47:10] and ...well, yeah, I used to think London was big, foks...then I lived in Tokyo. Now, I think London is *tiny* and quaint.
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:13] lolol
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:19] nice one! :)
[22:32] <MuZemike> [00:47:20] Try NYC
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:26] You've lived like, everywhere
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:32] also, I think Tokyo's bigger than NYC
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:37] well, more packed, anyway
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:47:37] NYC is easy enough
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:47:39] yes, it is
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:47:41] and bigger
[22:32] <MuZemike> [00:47:42] Probably is
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:46] And FULL OF PEOPLE
[22:32] <foks> [00:47:49] yes.
[22:32] <foks> [00:48:00] And stray dogs, but that's a different story
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:48:01] Tokyo is one of the biggest.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:48:05] depends how you measure it, but yeah
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:48:10] Mex City is another.
[22:32] <MuZemike> [00:48:29] Maybe someday I'll visit Tokyo. I would need to learn some Japanese, though.
[22:32] <MuZemike> [00:48:48] Just like Mexico City with Espanol.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:48:57] you don't need to learn Japanese, MuZemike
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:49:03] in Tokyo, almost everyone can speak English
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:49:09] a bit, at least. Enough.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:49:55] I'd always try to order my train ticket in Japanese, and 90% of the time, they'd answer "Certainly Sir. A return to Tokyo. Will that be all?" and so on
[22:32] <foks> [00:50:09] Awww
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:50:16] yeah'
[22:32] <foks> [00:50:16] Sounds like the majority of Europe
[22:32] <foks> [00:50:24] well, Scandinavia
[22:32] <foks> [00:50:29] "Hej!"
[22:32] <foks> [00:50:32] "Hello!"
[22:32] <foks> [00:50:35] "fffff"
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:50:42] For the past ...IDK, maybe 20 years... all Japanese people have learned quite a lot of English at school.
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:50:43] wtf
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:50:48] when I lived in Japan like nobody spoke English
[22:32] <foks> [00:50:54] When was that
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:50:55] So, some older people can't speak any. But just about all under-30 Japanese speak decent English
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:50:59] and if they did, they were all shy about it and pronounced all their l’s like r’s.
[22:32] <foks> [00:51:06] Awww
06[22:32] * foks [00:51:12] comforts Mike_H
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:51:13] foks: In the late 1990s.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:51:18] right
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:51:20] s'changed a lot.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:51:24] Tokyo, anyway.
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:51:29] The late 1990s wasn’t long ago.
[22:32] <MuZemike> [00:51:29] Like in [[Mega Man 2]]: "Crash Man" vs "Clash Man"
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:51:32] I didn’t say 1946.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:51:33] Outside Tokyo, yeah...sometimes, it's harder
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:51:46] but, really. Japan is super-easy, for visitors.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:52:18] They are incredibly kind and nice to anyone who is not Japanese. It's a built-in thing
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:52:22] "honoured guests"
[22:32] <MuZemike> [00:52:32] Even Americans, eh?
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:52:37] the only down-side being, even if you live there for years, you're still an 'honoured guest'
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:52:45] yes, and it's bloody annoying if you're trying to learn Japanese, you try it out and they realise you're english
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:52:52] and then they keep speaking to you in english
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:52:55] my mate has been there 30 years, is married to a Japanese lady, and has kids. He's still treated as 'foreign'
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:53:06] yeah
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:53:12] MuZemike: Only older Japanese people hold some animosity toward Americans and even then it’s very few, like there are a few bars where foreigners are not welcome but it’s not many and everyone knows where they are
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:53:22] I tried to speak Japanese all the time, and yeah, they'd all use English.
[22:32] <foks> [00:53:31] As I say
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:53:34] See, when I was in Japan, it was like French attitudes
[22:32] <foks> [00:53:37] You get that heaps in most of Europe
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:53:40] they would only attempt English after I attempted Japanese.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:53:40] I mean...even in a bar, with 10 Japanese freinds - if I was there, they'd ALL speak English. Even to each other
[22:32] <foks> [00:53:43] Except France
[22:32] <foks> [00:53:45] :P
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:54:08] mmm, well, France, yeah
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:54:11] esp. Paris, of course
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:54:24] Paris, they'll pretend they can't understand you, even when they can
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:54:29] Fucking Parisian attitude.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:54:36] But if you go to e.g. Brittany, it's much nicer
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:54:39] If I had to rate Japan and compare it to a European country in terms of how many people speak English and how helpful they are
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:54:43] or...well, anywhere but Paris, really
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:54:51] I’d pick one of those Eastern European countries where they had Communism
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:54:52] It annoys me so much that when you go to another country where they have their own language, they don't give you the fucking chance to use it before they're burbling at you in English
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:54:55] like Bulgaria
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:55:03] I expect to use their language in their country, not my own
[22:32] <MuZemike> [00:55:07] Prague?
[22:32] <foks> [00:55:20] Mike_H, ?
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:55:28] hm, the 'best' I had for that would've been either China, or Indonesia
[22:32] <foks> [00:55:32] Mike_H, is that a good thing? And have you BEEN to Paris
[22:32] <foks> [00:55:36] :p
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:55:42] foks: No, my French teacher had though
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:55:49] she said it was not very fun
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:55:56] In Indonesian Borneo, I went for about 3 weeks with *nobody* able to speak *any* English, except for "Hello Mister" and "David Beckham"
[22:32] <MuZemike> [00:55:58] Though I do know some German, so I might be able to get around in Eastern Europe since German is kind of universal there.
[22:32] <foks> [00:56:01] Mike_H, :3
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:56:07] maybe they want to impress *you* with their English knowledge
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:56:08] also how would they be able to tell an English-speaking European from other Europeans? Do they just assume all Europeans speak Englushg?
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:56:15] And in China..well. I learned to do a great impression of a chicken laying eggs, so I could buy breakfast.
[22:32] <foks> [00:56:16] MuZemike, they know pretty good English, you'd be fine
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:56:29] MuZemike: in some Eastern European countries, German is the more popular foreign language
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:56:34] I know it’s that way in like Hungary and Slovenia
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:56:40] I'm convinced they knew exactly what I wanted for breakfast.... but I think they enjoyed watching my chicken-laying-egg impression every morning
[22:32] <foks> [00:56:43] :P
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:56:56] China is hard work
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:57:06] {Soap}: I kinda understand what you mean, but I see that where a country has its own language, people should be expected to at least *try* to use it
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:57:11] even the damn signs for numbers - with holding up your fingers? are different.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:57:30] If you want 4 eggs, and hold up 4 fingers, they're baffled.
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:57:33] BarkingFish: My guide book on Scandinavia says that if you try speaking Swedish to people in Sweden, they will be very taken aback and surprised
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:57:39] Yes
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:57:40] because apparently no foreigners usually try to speak Swedish.
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:57:49] it's the same in Hungary
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:57:57] mmm
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:58:09] same in many, many places. At least, in tourist-type areas. Thailand, for a start.
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:58:12] several years ago I went with some old friends from college. We wound up in a bar in Budapest
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:58:26] I lived for a whole year in Thailand - working, etc....and learned almost no Thai
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:58:28] Chzz: Sweden won the EU poll for highest number of conversational English speakers
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:58:34] (88% of the population)
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:58:36] 'coz I was mostly working in Dive shops, and they all deal w/ English all the time.
[22:32] <{Soap}> [00:58:41] surely ENGLAND won?
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:58:46] They went and sat down and started talking in english, I ordered the drinks in Hungarian. The barman was making polite conversation and asked me where I came from.
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:58:49] {Soap}: They only polled foreign languages.
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:58:50] After a year, I thought 'fuck this' and I went to a school to learn Thai
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:58:58] When I told him I'd come over from England, that was it.
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:59:00] Since they speak English in Britain, that does not qualify as a foreign language.
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:59:08] I didn't pay for another drink in the bar all week
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:59:19] I'd think Holland would win
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:59:29] Chzz: They were close
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:59:30] 87%
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:59:31] Dutch people speak such utterly *superb* English
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:59:35] it was Sweden, 88%
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:59:39] Holland and Malta, 87%
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:59:44] Denmark, 86%
[22:32] <Mike_H> [00:59:47] and then it dropped off a bit
[22:32] <Chzz> [00:59:50] mmm, ok, yep
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [00:59:56] He said that the number of people who usually bother to learn hungarian when they come to hungary - he could "count them all on two hands, and one foot with his sock off"
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:00:06] Norway would probably be up there too but it isn’t an EU member
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:00:12] Hungarian is a nice language
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:00:17] Dutch speak really good English, German, French... gah, it's annoying!
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:00:24] (btw the most spoken foreign language among Brits is French, 22% claim to speak it conversationally)
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:00:30] you need to be tri-lingual in Holland, just to work in McDonalds. Seriously.
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:01:12] Mike_H hmmm.... I'll bet, these days, that Hindi/Urdu are damn close to that
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:01:20] Chzz: same anywhere in Benelux area
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:01:25] Chzz: most of those speakers would learn that as language #1
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:01:27] so it would not qualify.
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:01:30] ah, yep
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:01:36] French, German & Dutch are pretty much a requirement
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:01:54] Chzz: About 9% of Anglophone Irish people can speak Irish
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:02:05] on top of the 10% of so of the population that can speak it natively.
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:02:14] that's not bad
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:02:28] oh aye
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:02:36] most Welsh, I'd imagine, can speak Welsh
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:02:47] a bit, at least.
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:02:49] Chzz: I read somewhere that it was actually quite low
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:02:52] like less than half
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:02:53] fluently, in lots of places - it's the 1st language
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:02:55] oh, really?
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:03:05] I know they struggle to kinda force it, in schools, and so on
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:03:08] probably a lot of non-Welsh people are moving in
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:03:10] in parts of Wales it’s quite popular
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:03:13] but in other places it’s not at alll
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:03:15] *all
[22:32] <foks> [01:03:17] Cardiff and Swansea
[22:32] <foks> [01:03:24] there's a lot of them there
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:03:31] well, TV and so on... it'd be quite tricky to live in Wales without speaking at least passable English, these days, really
[22:32] <foks> [01:03:32] in pockets, thoguh
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:03:35] With the Welsh Language Act going in force next year, it'll be better
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:03:42] The Welsh Language Board[5] indicated in 2004 that 611,000 people (21.7% of the population of Wales in households or communal establishments) were able to speak Welsh.
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:03:46] I do quite like Welsh
[22:32] <foks> [01:03:50] BarkingFish, didn't hear about that onw
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:03:54] I like 'microwave' being a 'popty ping'
[22:32] <foks> [01:04:00] :P
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:04:01] Yeah, and S4C isn't bad if you're into it, ChanServ
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:04:02] and 'ironing board' being a 'board smoothio'
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:04:03] oops
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:04:07] fucking tab fail
[22:32] <foks> [01:04:10] :P
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:04:26] 'popty ping' is much better than 'microwave'
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:04:31] I think we should adopt the term.
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:04:36] I'm already doing so, personally.
[22:32] <Mike_H> [01:04:42] Almost without exception, Welsh speakers in Wales also speak English. However, many first language Welsh speakers are more comfortable expressing themselves in Welsh than in English.
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:04:48] yep
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:05:13] and if you walk into a pub in deep Wales...and they *were* all chatting in English...as soon as the English person walks in, they all switch to Wales.
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:05:16] quite disconcerting
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:05:25] *Welsh, I meant
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:05:37] foks: As from the next State opening of Parliament in 2011, the Welsh Language is going to be given full official language status across Wales
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:05:42] which it has never had
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:06:35] popty ping is welsh for microwave?
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:07:07] yes
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:07:13] http://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popty_microdon
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:07:15] It will mean that the uptake of Welsh will be higher in schools, the Bŵrd Iaith Gymraeg have said that giving it official language status will mean that it becomes official on the curriculum
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:07:20] ping must be oven
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:07:30] no, it's just onomatopaeic
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:07:36] the 'ping' noise, when it is done
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:07:36] oh
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:07:40] no, the ping was for the noise when the food was cooked :)
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:07:44] lag, sorry, nvm
[22:32] <foks> [01:08:00] BarkingFish, niiiice
[22:32] <foks> [01:08:02] also
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:08:06] One of my fave stories - sorry if you've heard it: " In October 2008, motorists in Wales spotted a traffic sign printed partially in the Welsh language, reading "I am not in the office at the moment. Send any work to be translated."BBC News: E-mail error ends up on road sign (October 31, 2008)1 The English portion of the sign bore the intended message:
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:08:08] "No entry for heavy goods vehicles. Residential site only."BBC News: E-mail error ends up on road sign (October 31, 2008)1 The result of an email snafu, the sign was posted after officials in the city of Swansea sent an email to a translator--and mistook the auto-reply for the translation"
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:08:15] oh yes I saw that
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:08:20] that was hilarious
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:08:26] that was only 2 years ago?
[22:32] <foks> [01:08:29] that was great
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:08:31] apparently
[22:32] <foks> [01:08:35] yeah
[22:32] <foks> [01:08:37] It was
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:08:41] lol
[22:32] <foks> [01:09:03] Didn't we have a council spell "school" "SHCOOL" too?
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:09:06] here's the sign: http://revealingerrors.com/images/welsh_road_sign.jpg
[22:32] <foks> [01:09:07] Was that America
[22:32] <foks> [01:09:24] "merry christmas everyone! lol jk, I'm a muslim."
[22:32] <foks> [01:09:27] awww
[22:32] <foks> [01:09:41] "24 people like this"
[22:32] <foks> [01:09:45] it's 1am
[22:32] <foks> [01:09:49] well, 2
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:09:49] someone at work said obama was "part muslim"
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:09:54] I'm a pastafarian; but still - Santa, etc. and *presents*.
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:09:56] I thought that was funny
[22:32] <foks> [01:10:10] Atheist
[22:32] <foks> [01:10:23] but Christmas is less Christian every year frnakly
[22:32] <foks> [01:10:27] ... frankly
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:10:28] I still like what I released to wikinews last night as breaking news, whilst very drunk :)
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:11:05] Breaking News: The US Army have reported the death of Santa Claus in a friendly fire incident in the North Pole.
[22:32] <foks> [01:11:39] ...NOOOOOOOOOOO
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:11:40] A spokesman for the US Military said "If you're going to grow a long white beard, and live in a grotto, we're bound to turn up eventually and blow the shit out of you"
[22:32] <foks> [01:11:54] hahah
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:12:29] Santa just got to Puerto Santa Cruz, BTW
[22:32] <foks> [01:12:40] Is the Heavy Rain soundtrack too heavy for 2am on a Christmas morning?
[22:32] <foks> [01:12:45] nah
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:13:18] I reckon he's over half-way now
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:13:39] mostly, all the US stuff to do, really.
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:14:07] he'll get to Buenos Aires in a couple of minutes
[22:32] <foks> [01:14:16] awesome.
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:15:04] heh this tower defense game I'm playing is antivirus themed and it has the kaspersky pig squeal when you let a virus get through
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:15:18] ooh, I like TD's - linky, Gigs?
[22:32] <Crimedog> [01:15:21] Merry Christmas and a happy GNU year
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:15:36] Chzz: well I'll give you the link but I have to warn you, it's a very boring TD game
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:15:40] http://www.kongregate.com/games/pcde/pc-defense#
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:15:47] to be honest I'm not sure why I'm still playing it
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:15:55] fair enough; but ta. I'll try it.
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:16:02] I like quite a lot of Kongregate stuff.
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:16:04] I'm mostly watching my towers kill stuff while I IRC hehe
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:16:08] Of course, DTD is a winner
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:16:14] desktop tower defence
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:16:19] Kaspersky is rumored to the best antivirus program in the world
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:16:25] although it is also one of the most expensive
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:16:26] hehehe
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:16:31] you are kidding right?
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:16:40] have things changed?
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:16:47] I guess so
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:16:52] Last time I was shopping for antivirus software was 2006
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:16:57] since then I use only Norton
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:17:03] Kaspersky has ties to the russian organized crime that runs DDoS for hire
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:17:14] it lets certain viruses through on purpose it seems
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:17:45] it also screws up your kernel, the kernel mode driver causes your computer to blue screen constantly
[22:32] <MuZemike> [01:18:20] sort-of funny PSA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFcf6fM9NVU
[22:32] <{Soap}> [01:18:48] I thought that was just a rumor
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:19:06] it's documented in joe menn's book
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:19:20] fatal system error
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:20:19] Gigs, what's that 'W' button do?
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:20:26] new wave ahead of timer
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:20:41] you can't stack them though unfortunately
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:20:47] one thing contributing to the boring factor
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:20:52] Rudolph balloon suffers a fatal blow to the head :P
[22:32] <BarkingFish> [01:20:53] http://video.uk.msn.com/watch/video/rudolph-christmas-parade-tragedy/1j4j2e495?from=video_module
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:21:31] oh, rite, yep
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:54:44] hey chzz You are free to copy, distribute and transmit this game, as long as you mention PC.DE as author Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:55:14] I wonder if he knows that people can use all his actionscript to make an entirely new game under that license
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:55:16] oh, wonderful
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:55:21] except it's a bit crap, really
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:55:25] yeah it is
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:55:28] just takes ages to get through all the damn waves
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:55:36] easy is too easy
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:55:49] I just finished hard and it really wasn't any less boring
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:56:06] there was a slight possibility one might get through at the beginning of hard
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:56:41] the thing about flash is that it's like Java, you can always get the source code
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:56:59] so him releasing it as CC-Att, he might not realize all the implications
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:57:20] oh my word
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:57:29] s'gonna be -20 in some places in UK, today
[22:32] <Chzz> [01:57:32] sheesh
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:57:53] -20C is like what, 50F? :P
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:58:22] It's been cold here too... was 25F with high winds for a few days... that was miserable
[22:32] <Gigs> [01:58:36] that's like... -8C or something
[22:32] <foks> [02:02:16] -20 = -4 F
[22:32] <foks> [02:03:03] for some reason YouTube's hatin' on Chrome
[22:32] <Wizardman> [02:04:22] that's... ironic, i think.
[22:32] <foks> [02:06:00] is it?
[22:32] <foks> [02:06:01] oh
[22:32] <foks> [02:06:04] so it is
[22:32] <foks> [02:06:06] :P
[22:32] <Chzz> [02:06:42] And now...I have to wrap up. Just to go have a cigarette. *gah* - I'll be so pleased when I move in to my own place, once more, and can smoke in comfort.
[22:32] <Chzz> [02:06:45] !weather stockport, uk
[22:32] <Chzz> [02:06:49] Chzz: From Hazel Grove, Stockport, United Kingdom (2:42a Dec 25 10) temp(17.6 F / -8.0 C, feels like 18 F / -8 C) cond(Unknown) wind(North at 0.0 mph / 0.0 km/h) hu(54%) vis(3.1 miles / 5.0 kilometers) sunrise/sunset(8:23 AM GMT/3:53 PM GMT) Friday: Unknown. High: -2 C. Moon:Waning Gibbous
[22:32] <Chzz> [02:06:54] egads, -8. That's stupid.
[22:32] <Chzz> [02:09:01] (having to go outside to smoke, when it is -8C, is just...silly)
[22:32] <Chzz> [02:09:01] BRB
[22:32] <foks> [02:24:52] Chzz, answer: quit
[22:32] <Chzz> [02:25:44] foks other answer: move to a new place, where I can smoke indoors.
[22:32] <foks> [02:25:48] :P
[22:32] <foks> [02:25:56] Then when you try to sell it..
[22:32] <foks> [02:26:13] "Oh, uh, I like the walls, very ... pale-yellow"
06[22:32] * Ktr101 [02:27:14] hugs the channel
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:27:20] Merry Christmas everyone!
[22:32] <foks> [02:27:28] nightttt
[22:32] <foks> [02:27:38] it's 3.30 and I don't feel tired in the slightest
[22:32] <foks> [02:27:40] not happy
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:01] been spoiling heavy rain for myself though
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:04] so it's all good
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:28:05] foks, the news just said kids in ur country were waking up and being happy
[22:32] <Wizardman> [02:28:09] do a ga review
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:28:14] too bad it's only 3:30
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:14] Ktr101, Scotland?
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:28:23] uk, close enough in time zones
[22:32] <Wizardman> [02:28:24] that'd tire out anyone XD
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:31] Wizardman, lat time I did one it was overturned
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:35] *last
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:43] Ktr101, not really
[22:32] <Wizardman> [02:28:46] heh. nm then
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:46] Well
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:48] lol
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:51] Scotland = UK
[22:32] <foks> [02:28:53] So
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:28:56] foks, i'm scottish, i know ur pain
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:28:56] lol
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:29:02] the tiniest bit, but i am
[22:32] <foks> [02:29:03] It's only -5
[22:32] <MuZemike> [02:29:07] *sigh* http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/a3831488-9621-4643-bfe0-971fc452e2d7.jpg
[22:32] <foks> [02:29:07] Oh shush
[22:32] <foks> [02:29:15] You're American, you're a bit of everything
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:29:30] i've been here since the 17th century
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:29:36] i know that much about my scottish part
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:29:39] i fought myself!
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:29:39] lol
[22:32] <foks> [02:29:46] MuZemike, ...you already can, here?
[22:32] <foks> [02:29:57] Have been able to since the start
[22:32] <foks> [02:30:12] Ktr101, :P
[22:32] <MuZemike> [02:30:27] Not to mention...
[22:32] <MuZemike> [02:31:09] Halfway through the first paragraph --> "not compensate for poor spelling sills" [sic]
[22:32] <foks> [02:31:31] oh
[22:32] <foks> [02:31:33] hehe
[22:32] <MuZemike> [02:31:36] And the bottom following article: "Microsoft Speller Challenge to Award $10,000 for a Better Spell Checker"
[22:32] <Ktr101> [02:31:37] all sorts of fail!
[22:32] <***> Playback Complete.
[22:33] <Wizardman> a spell checker on writing tests. wow your kidding me i cant believe their doing that
[22:33] <MuZemike> *they're
[22:33] <MuZemike> 9_9
[22:33] <Wizardman> There's seven errors in the above
[22:33] <foks> I think that was the joke, mate
[22:33] <foks> :P
[22:33] <Wizardman> nine, actually
[22:33] <foks> Also, the "fail" seems to imply the article itself is the target of ridicule
[22:33] <Mike_H> foks: In the Thames intro
[22:33] <Mike_H> what is that building with the big dome?
[22:33] <foks> And "sills" is a word, and a noun - so the spell checker would not have picked that up
[22:33] <foks> Mike_H, the Thames intro?
[22:33] <Mike_H> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOgTsCkhvik
[22:34] <foks> ...Haven't a flaming clue brah
[22:34] <foks> St Paul's Cathedral, perhaps
[22:34] <Mike_H> I think it is
[22:34] <foks> Also Thames has a more typographical ident no, lmao
[22:34] <foks> Isn't it Talkback Thames?
[22:34] <foks> nah.
[22:35] <MuZemike> foks: It's just like an education adviser told me one time that a spell checker won't pick up the obvious spelling error in "Department of Pubic Education"
[22:35] <foks> :P
[22:35] <foks> It would not
[22:35] <foks> Grammatically it makes sense!
[22:35] <foks> :P
[22:36] <foks> Oh, no, Mike_H, it was replaced by Carlton
[22:36] <foks> ... shush, fox
[22:36] <foks> it is Talkback Thames
[22:36] <foks> ):<
[22:36] <foks> I'll try to sleep now
[22:36] <foks> Possibly back in ten
[22:37] <foks> :)
[22:37] <foks> o/
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[22:53] <Chaoticfluffy_> ok wtf
[22:53] <Chaoticfluffy_> i appear to just have gotten a death threat of some sort via email user
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[23:00] <Ktr101> Chaoticfluffy, welcome to the threat club!
[23:00] <Chaoticfluffy_> not sure what to do with this. I would have thought i'd laugh at a threat
[23:00] <Chaoticfluffy_> but this guy sounds kind of, um, determined.
[23:00] <Netalarm> Yawn. Delete
[23:00] <Netalarm> well
[23:00] <Netalarm> forward to law enforcement
[23:00] <Ktr101> eh, i would tell someone
[23:01] <Wizardman> depends on the tone
[23:01] <Ktr101> should he forward an admin?
[23:01] <Wizardman> if it's an "omg y u do this im gon kill you" then not a big deal. if it's more "i'm gonna come to your house and gun you in your sleep", that's worrisome
[23:01] <Chaoticfluffy_> highlights include "I will find you, regardless of what I have to do to accomplish that, and assuredly put you in the hospital."
[23:01] <Chaoticfluffy_> "never lie or go back on my promises. And, I assure you that if you persist in ignoring me, refusing to reply to my questions via email, and causing me pain and suffering, I will put you, whether you are male or female, in the hospital."
[23:01] <Ktr101> yeah, that's concerning
[23:02] <Wizardman> yup..
[23:02] <Chaoticfluffy_> so um. what do i do?
[23:03] <Ktr101> does arbcom do this stuff?
[23:03] <Chaoticfluffy_> he actually gives what he claims is his phone number, real name, and address
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[23:03] <Ktr101> could be an immitation
[23:03] <Headbomb_> yo, merry xmas btw
[23:04] <Chaoticfluffy_> "I am providing this information in addition to my email address in the interest in being open and honest with you and just in case you want to have your attorney or the police contact me.
[23:04] <Chaoticfluffy_> (by "this info" he means the address, etc he just listed)
[23:04] <Netalarm> -.-
[23:04] <Netalarm> whitepages.com
[23:04] <Ktr101> yeah, that might work
[23:05] <Ktr101> unless they're british
[23:05] <Ktr101> then u're in trouble
[23:05] <Netalarm> .co.uk i think exists
[23:05] <Netalarm> 911?
[23:05] <Ktr101> oh
[23:05] <Chaoticfluffy_> the address they give is within about an hour of me
[23:05] <Ktr101> MuZemike, u there
[23:05] <Chaoticfluffy_> which is not helping my freakedoutness
[23:05] <MuZemike> wut?
[23:06] <Ktr101> do u know what to do with death threats?
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[23:06] <Ktr101> i know there's a process but i forgot
[23:07] <MuZemike> Contact the WMF, I believe
[23:07] <Wizardman> It might be something to go to the authorities on, or at least contact wmf
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[23:07] <Ktr101> was it a wikipedia e-mail?
[23:07] <Chaoticfluffy_> it was via emailuser
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[23:08] <Ktr101> ah
[23:11] <Wizardman> ah; if I was a checkuser i might be able to help, alas i'm not
06[23:12] * Chaoticfluffy_ just posted on ANI in the hopes that someone can give a definitive "what to do"
[23:17] <Chaoticfluffy_> welp. guess i'm not sleeping on christmas eve as i worry
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[23:36] <Dragonfly6-7> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._J._Bryant - who sees notability here?>
[23:38] <Dragonfly6-7> anyone anyone?
06[23:38] * Dragonfly6-7 pokes OlEnglish
06[23:38] * Dragonfly6-7 jabs at Chaoticfluffy_
[23:38] <Chaoticfluffy_> little busy being threatened with violent assault atm, thx
[23:46] <Ktr101> Chaoticfluffy_, sleep
[23:46] <Ktr101> ...with a knife
[23:47] <Ktr101> but honestly don't let the vandals get to u
[23:47] <Dragonfly6-7> Chaoticfluffy_ - you live with a dog, yes?
[23:48] <Ktr101> but if he has a golden as i do, they're worthless when it comes to strangers
[23:48] <Dragonfly6-7> I believe it's a greyhound
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[23:49] <Chaoticfluffy_> Dragonfly6-7, I do, for what he's worth as a watchdog. I am also at my parents' house an hour away from my home tonight
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[23:49] <Dragonfly6-7> Ah!
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[23:50] <Chaoticfluffy_> also dad has guns, although they are very well locked up in the basement
[23:50] <Dragonfly6-7> Ktr101 - oh, also, Chaoticfluffy_'s a girl
[23:50] <Ktr101> ah, damn
[23:50] <Chaoticfluffy_> s'ok, playing the odds in here means always assuming someone's male :)
[23:50] <Ktr101> we have a wikipedian who's dad is a flaming liberal and has a loaded ak-47 above the bed
[23:50] <Ktr101> lives in texas though so it kinda makes sense
[23:51] <Ktr101> Chaoticfluffy_ and even if they have a female name, u have to assume :)
[23:51] <Dragonfly6-7> Maksim Kalashnikov is a very good gunsmith
[23:51] <Ktr101> agreed
[23:52] <Dragonfly6-7> .... *Mikhail* Kalashnikov, rather
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[23:52] <Dragonfly6-7> and his Avtomat Kalashnikova
[23:53] <Ktr101> ouch, u fail
[23:53] <Dragonfly6-7> sorry?
[23:54] <Dragonfly6-7> AK-47 stands for Kalashnikov Automatic Rifle, 1947 Model (Russian: ??????? ??????????? 47, tr. Avtomat Kalashnikova 47)
[23:54] <Ktr101> "in soviet union, kalishnikov shoot you."
[23:54] <Dragonfly6-7> only one 'i'
[23:54] <Ktr101> Dragonfly6-7, i was kidding
[23:54] <Ktr101> and i fail!
[23:54] <Ktr101> woot
[23:54] <Leonard^Bloom> In third world nations, Kalashnikov shoots you.
[23:55] <Leonard^Bloom> Is it still the world's most common weapon?
[23:55] <Leonard^Bloom> It held the record for quite some time.
[23:55] <Ryulong> is that all Chaoticfluffy
[23:55] <Dragonfly6-7> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=404134073&oldid=404119993 - hah
[23:55] <Ryulong> I was harassed so much that the blockemail function was created
[23:55] <Ryulong> :P
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