Wikipedia Sucks! (And So Do Its Critics.): May 2016

The following post is literally taken from a private wiki run by E.A. Barbour and Peter Damian; the blog owner is under the impression that Barbour wrote all of this himself because it lacks the British English spelling and grammar Damian writes in. I decided to run it as is because the style is inimitable.

Note that 3,400 WP users are watching Jimbo's talkpage as of 2016, making it one of the most-watched pages on the entire thing. That number increases, month after month, consistently. The official database report had Wales's userpage as the 29th most-watched of all Wikipedia pages as of 2013, and 27th as of 2014.

Censorship of his talkpage by Wales and others

Wales is perfectly capable of deleting anything from his talkpage that he finds "embarrassing" or "disturbing". Such deletions often involve Wikipedia's and the WMF's structural weaknesses and major disputes, or misconduct by Wales himself. If Wales does not remove it as "rm trolling", one of his fans will do it for him. In recent years, as Wikipedia's problems became undeniable and public criticism of Jimbo increased, the sheer quantities of censorships of his talkpage increased dramatically. Administrators and butt-nozzlers took over most of this "important function".

From 2005:

Clear instances of Wales deleting complaints or criticisms are still rare, as his talkpage was still evolving into a target for disgruntled persons. The community's institutional paranoia was just beginning to become apparent. A few incidents occurred, and Wales did answer the complainants on their talkpages. A few other things happened [1][2][3][4][5][6][7] that are not easily explained. Yet it was still relatively collegial and polite, although complaints from Scientologists are not welcome.[8]

From 2006:

Pedophilia userbox war, in which Wales wheel-warred with others openly, and censored the arbitrations pages and other areas.

26 May: [9] "Wikipedia IS Evil" was the first instance of Jimbo's "rm trolling".

8 October: [10] Bizarrely, Jimbo "restores" trolling to his talkpage. This was an era when material posted on Jimbo's talkpage mysteriously disappeared, reappeared, and disappered again. Plus, there were instances of Jimbo editing the comments of others, not merely deleting them.[11]

From 2007:

13 February: [12] Jimbo deletes, claiming to be "clearing old section": "After some serious thinking I decided to stop contrubing to wikipedia. The site has become a source of stress due to someone’s Trolling over their obsession over others editors to contribution to “his” articles and scorn them because they have a different opinion based on fact by citing their sources and the troller having “ the my way or the highway “ attitude. If Wikipedia is become a reliable open scoure Encyclopedia then the articles have to be based on fact rather than one person bent on bending the truth and putting down editors down when they report the facts."

20 March: [13] Deskana asks about Essjay, Wales deletes, saying "(rm trolling - question was already asked and answered multiple times)". Several months later, Deskana was elected to Arbcom.

7 May: [14] Someone asks questions about Sanger's role in founding Wikipedia, Wales removes it. "Anna: Jimbo and Larry have been in dispute over this matter for years. There is a difference of opinion here and Jimbo is entitles to put his on his own userpage. User:Theresa knott 06:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)" (sic)

17 May: [15] Removal of discussion of pedophiles on Wikipedia.

"Courtesy blankings" of things he apparently should not have "courtesy blanked": [16][17][18]

From 2008:

1 June: [19] Yet again, someone asks about Sanger's role, and Jimbo removes it. Same day: [20] He deletes an argument among several people.

5 September: [21] Removal of yet another question about Sanger.

1 December: [22] Two criticisms removed together.

3 December: [23] "when Jimbo is slamming people behind their backs, please check his facts."- removed as a "personal attack".

15 December: [24] Administrator LessHeard vanU makes a joke about Jimbo's "appointments". Even Jimbo's most loyal followers are not allowed to "poke" at him.

26 December: [25] Someone raises a question about the "hypocrisy" of the WMF allowing the use of "all rights reserved" images, and mentions its use in a Valleywag article -- Jimbo silences him.

From 2009:

10 February: [26] "Jimbo Wales is strongly admonished for his conduct in the Hattersley incident. He is advised not to block users to force further discussion or action on an issue, nor to take administrator actions with respect to disputes in which he is involved. Jimbo Wales is warned that any further such incidents are likely to lead to the suspension or revocation of his administrator privileges. User:Bishonen 12:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)."

11 February: [27] Everyking makes an innocent joke, and "rm trolling" is his reward. Repeated 12 February.[28]

8 April: [29] Wales is criticized for his "sole founder" claim. Larry Sanger participates, other Wikipedia fans interject, Wales removes it all.

10 August: [30] More about the "sole founder" business.

16 November: [31] "Good suggestion, my trusty minion! By moving information from Wikipedia to the for-profit Wikia project, the latter will generate more profit for Jimbo and his crew, a true grassroots solution."

From 2010:

2 January: [32] "Sole founder" again.

18 April: [33] A comment about Jimbo's misuse of his WMF credit card is declared "trolling", and removed.

22 June: a Polish editor called Tomasz Anton Z showed up on Jimbo's talkpage, and asked a leading question about the Priedhorsky paper, which had unfavorable things to say about article damage in Wikipedia. Tomasz also pointed out vandalism to the Charlie Chaplin bio that lasted for 46 months. Wales bleated back at him: "Tomasz, the idea that you expressed above that we sweep problems under the rug is just patently false. And the idea that editors are banned for bringing forward problems is absolutely ludicrous, and you should apologize for it. It is pretty hard to get banned from Wikipedia, and it happens with very good cause. That some people who are banned also become critics, and also bring forward legitimate examples, in no way contradicts this. To characterize my response as "sweeping things under the rug" is just wrong. Please be constructive and helpful, not antagonistic. "I suspect that Wales and his followers are not at all ready..." I, sir, suspect that you are not at all ready to acknowledge that we have an open, constructive culture, which welcomes dissent and debate, and which is eagerly fixated on identifying and solving problems. It's very rude of you to pretend otherwise.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 18:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)" And the next day, without any explanation or warning, Jon Delanoy permanently blocked Tomasz.

22 July: [34] An argument over Barry "Moulton" Kort is removed.

27 July: [35] "Jimbo, are you divorced?" (which he was)

28 July: [36] Mention of Rachel Marsden removed.

5 September: [37] Someone asks him about his birthdate, which is frequently misquoted. "rm trolling"

12 September: [38] "There does seem to be somewhat of a double standard at work. One for things the Jimbo likes, and one for things the Jimbo doesn't. " "rm trolling"

20 October: [39] A question about Wikia is unwelcome on Wikipedia.

30 November: [40] "Jimbo, just a suggestion -- it works for politicians! You should have a family portrait (you know, you, your wife, your daughter) and feature that image on one of the appeal banners. It would work!" (he had just been divorced from Christine)

3 December: Jimbo removes a criticism from an Arbcom page, which he should not have removed. [41]

16 December: He was criticized for removing something.[42] Result: none. [43]

19 December: [44] "Hey bro did you know you are on Encyclopedia Dramatica? "

From 2011:

25 January: [45] "There is some nicely observed dialogue, e.g. Jimbo - "Could you comment on what could be interpreted as a discrepancy in what you and Sanger are saying took place with regards to intent to use advertising in Wikipedia?". Cla68 - " I don't see what the discrepancy is supposed to be." . […] " Jimbo, could you please respond?" Jimbo - "Maybe someday I'll publish all the old emails from back in the day. In the meantime, I'll simply reiterate what I've said so far." Larry - "Reiterate what? All you said was, "I don't see the discrepancy," and I pointed out the discrepancy quite clearly. I guess you're reiterating that you still don't see any discrepancy. Well, apart from your toadies, everybody can see the discrepancy, and you can too. So this is a typical Jimbo non-response: when confronted with lying, or wrongdoing, you simply say something that sounds like friendly communication but really dodges the question." (Larry) . Shortly after, Jimbo archives."

2 February: [46] Dr. Blofeld criticizes Wales. It is not permitted, even from one of Wikipedia's most obsessed robots.

22 February: [47] An editor quits and complains about Wikipedia's culture: "I am shamed and appalled by the policies enacted on this wiki and its BRUTAL suppression of dissenting opinions. And I am sickened by your grabs for power and glory by re-writing history and claiming sole credit for Wikipedia, when the truth is otherwise."

1 August: [48] Cla68 brings up several unpleasant episodes in Wikipedia history. Jimbo deletes it all, including his own response.

31 August: [49] Wales asks his acolytes to find a speech he gave at Wikimania on YouTube, someone says it's not there. "rm trolling"

30 November: [50] Cla68 asks Jimbo about performance reviews for WMF's leadership. Chris Owen and William McWhinney pop up to attack Cla68, and Jimbo deletes it all as "aggressive trolling".

From 2012:

12 February: [51] "You encourage development of non- pop culture topics "worthy of an entry", but the problem is: you aren't doing anything to help with that – you don't contribute any content. " Which is true, but still "rm trolling". Repeated a few minutes later.

6 March: [52] Completely absurd exchange, comments are posted by an IP address which is accused of being "mortal enemy" Greg Kohs, then Wales deletes everything with the bizarre comment "rm trolling from dangerous stalker who posts about my children and fantasizes about gun battles with me - please revert him if he comes back"

1 May: Tim "Carrite" Davenport makes a comment about Wales' ongoing, absurd claim that Greg Kohs has "threatened him with violence"[53]. Wales deletes it.

2 June: [54] Removes comment by Greg Kohs, claiming "discussion of people who posted a fantasy about getting into a gunfight with me who has posted frequently about my children not welcome here, thanks!".

27 June: [55] Stupid argument about plagiarism.

15 July: "Larry was commenting on the news that the Wikimedia Foundation board had voted to rescind the image filter resolution. There was some initial confusion as to whether Wales, who had confirmed a few weeks prior that he was a strong supporter of the image filter ("if I could write it myself and turn it on tomorrow I would.") had voted for or against rescinding it. The page announcing the new resolution first said Wales had voted against the rescission, and then was changed to say he had voted for rescission. Related discussion thread. "

6 August, [56], posted on Wikipediocracy, the beginnings of Jimbo removing all comments by Andreas Kolbe:

"Jimbo this morning removed a post of mine from his talk page that referenced that figure. Here is what I wrote:"

"<tongue in cheek>This sort of thing is actually part of this site's business model, whose aim is to maximise site traffic. Anonymous editing is designed to attract editors acting from malice, or with an undisclosed conflict of interest (= traffic). Then people like you come along, horrified at what they read, and feel it needs to be fixed (= traffic). Perhaps they will stick around, to help fix it, flattering themselves they are "doing good" (= traffic). Sometimes the press will write about these problems, and link to them (= traffic). What is the traffic good for? Traffic means eyeballs, eyeballs mean influence, and influence attracts million-dollar donations from those who would like to wield this influence in their favour. It also attracts donations from smaller donors, who think Wikipedia is a good thing, and would like to help it solve the problems of poor or malicious editing by anonymous contributors, perhaps using smart software solutions such as vandalism bots and flagged revisions. The model works: the Wikimedia Foundation's annual budget has increased more than twenty-fold over the past six years or so, from $2 million to $46 million. So, it is good for this site to have problems like this. Why is this true? Because it causes churn; and if it weren't true, these problems would have been fixed long ago. How? Editors would be required to register with their names, so they would be accountable, and contributions from new people would be checked by trusted users before being displayed to the public. But that would take all the fun out of it, and kill the site.</tongue in cheek> -- JN466 23:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)"

"His edit summary read:"

"- rm off-topic snark and related commentary in the interest of furthering attention to the real problem"

13 November: [57] WPocracy thread "No one is allowed to use his talkpage to point out his failures or WP's failures. This time, the poster REALLY struck a nerve, because Jimbo had to do it himself--his fan following did not do it for him." Another criticism was removed in a later unrelated thread. "Don't you trust in the Wikipedia community's ability to recognize my post as a trolling and to respond to it? No, Jimbo, you removed my post because you, Jimbo, did not like it." was also removed.[58]

11 September: [59] link to a Daily Mail article critical of Wales is removed -- by Wales. (Rachel Marsden issue.)

7 September: [60] complaint removed by admin Berean Hunter, complainant blocked. Same day: [61] "(removed linkspam from Russian Beatles copyright violator (repeatedly blocked))" -- text was oversighted by persons unknown.

17 August: angry IP-address post removed.

1 August: angry IP-address post removed.

12 December: [62]"In one thread here somebody offered the tip that you could find edits Jimbo deleted by looking for a minus sign in the page history."

"Well, Jimbo's a little more clever than that; he'll sometimes silently delete a comment while replying to a separate comment so that it doesn't appear in the page history as a "negative" edit. For example: here. Occasionally this sleight of hand even confuses the admins, who try to fix what looks to be an inadvertent removal. In this case Jimbo did clarify his intent." (See Kazakh Wikipedia.)

18 December: [63] An IP address brings up the history of Bomis, which is absolutely not permitted.

21 December: [64] "Jimbo, your judgement of people is piss-poor, as exemplified by EssJay and Kelly Martin's appointment to the arbcom. When given the choice, you'll always choose brownnosers and sycophants. Furthermore, the more valuable a person is to the project, the more you see them as a threat and mistreat them, as exemplified by your treatment of Giano ans Bish. Please, just go away."

23 December: [65] The Kazakh Wikipedia scandal: "Don't you think that the titular head of wikipedia should be asking these questions BEFORE getting into bed with an organization funded and controlled by an autocratic government?"

From 2013:

11 January: Wales had previously told crank editor "Silver seren" to "stay off my talkpage until you apologize". Presumably he did, because seven months later, Silver seren was suddenly "someone I trust"[66].

12 January: [67] "rm trolling". Which was:"This [4] report claims that at the Wikimania 2011 conference in Haifa, Israel, you announced the creation of an annual award—Global Wikipedian of the Year, given to Rauan Kenzhekhanuly of Kazakh Wikipedia, as well as a $5,000 award to Wikibilim, the chapter in Kazakhstan, to pay travel expenses to Wikimania next year. There's a picture here [5] - the person by the rostrum in the white shirt looks like you. This picture [6] says the prize was donated by you personally. See also this. It is difficult to find any information about this award. Did it have to be approved by the WMF, or is it personally given by you? Ws the $5,000 your own money? If so, it's quite a lot of money. What inspired you to give it, and when did you first meet Rauan? Would appreciate any help. 86.146.79.118 13:28, 12 January 2013 (UTC)"

28 February: [68] An embarrassing question about Alexander Mirtchev and Kazakh Wikipedia was first struck out[69], then vanished: "- I'm fine with that so adjusting my text accordingly"

16 March: [70] Wales posted a photo to Commons, and was questioned about copyright. "discussion should be moved to commons" -- it wasn't.

28 April: "The author is not a real journalist." [71][72]

29 April: someone asks about Kazakh Wikipedia. [73]

3 May: someone asks if Wales paid his "Wikipedian of the Year" the $5000 he was promised. Wales deletes the question.[74]

6-7 May: [75] "rm insults", [76] "rm trolling", [77] "because Jimbo doesn't respond to those types of requests which are unconstructive", [78] "rm trolling"

16 May: someone points out he is being criticized on Wikipediocracy. [79] "Useless discussion of banned users."

5 June: someone asks if Silver seren is allowed to "not care about" defamatory BLPs. Wales removes it silently.[80] Also, Fram tries to point out that Wales has done very little content work of any value on Wikipedia. [81] "rm uninformed insults posted for no apparent reason", followed by [82] ":For those just coming to this conversation, note that this is ongoing harassment by Fram continuing from a thread that I deleted in which he made insults about low quality article creations by me. This is not, therefore, an unmotivated inquiry, but trolling. If anyone wonders what kind of editor I think is most responsible for declining participation in Wikipedia, it is this: the kind who goes around digging up old stuff, with no factual basis, to insult and harass people. Fram, you should be ashamed and disappointed in yourself as a human being." Needless to point out, Fram never apologized.

25 June: Jimbo foolishly asks if the now-famous Edward Snowden had edited Wikipedia, Fram shows up to criticize him for "outing". [83] "Fram's disingenuous trolling is not welcome here"

7 August: Jimbo tries to claim that "Socialtext no longer exists", when it clearly still does.

18 August:[84] Carbuncle asks a question, and "I don't see anything productive coming from a discussion of this form, I'm afraid."

2 September: something is completely obliterated, even the name of the poster. "(Username or IP removed)‎ . . (180,955 bytes) (+244)‎ . . (edit summary removed)"

14 September: Starting here, a long list of posts about the Croatian Wikipedian scandal, and some unrelated comments, are deleted. For no apparent reason.

17 September: two posts are disappeared for no apparent reason. "01:24, 17 September 2013‎ (Username or IP removed)‎ . . (200,061 bytes) (+240)‎ . . (edit summary removed)"

20 September: an IP address (50.174.76.70) shows up and posts a comment [85] about protecting children on Wikipedia. His later comments are rev-deleted, his address is blocked, and Chris Owen shows up to snarl "get a life, anonymous coward".

27 September: Fram removes something, despite "not being welcome here anymore".

3 October: Fram removes two comments. [86][87] By now it is becoming commonplace on Jimbo's talkpage.

10 October: Demiurge1000 helpfully does the censoring for him.

16 October: [88] "rm test edits"

17 October: [89] "Fram is not welcome here, and has been warned more than once." As pointed out that day on WO: "in the past year, Jimbotalk has started to resemble Swiss cheese. Huge pile of posts about Croatian Wikipedia, and some unrelated items, were obliterated on 14-15 September. Plus other posts being rev-deleted. No explanation."

30 October: [90]

31 October: [91], which administrator SB Johnny reverted. "I know what you mean, you're just not communicating well"

1 November: [92] A continuation of the 30 October silencing of Mark Miller.

3 November: [93] "rm spam"

4 November: [94] Someone posts a well-considered warning that Wikipedia is not trusthworthy, and Wales says "Taking the liberty to remove filth".

6 November: [95] "rmv edits by banned User:Mbz1" Also: [96] Stupid vandalism.

7 November: [97] "However for my article I would to include your penis size for our readers. May I please know the flaccid versus erect length of said member? If you have any statistics concerning girth and weight that would be great as well. " That user was eternablocked as a sockpuppet of a joker called "Technoquat".

9 November: [98] "access to this talk page also revoked"

12 November: [99] "rm dishonest trolling"

15 November: Greg Kohs brings up the editing by Telenor employees on Wikipedia, and Jimbo obliterates the entire discussion. Twice.

16 November: [100] Report of a possible Betacommand sockpuppet is censored. Also: [101]. Also: two IP addresses start an editwar.

18 November: [102] "User has obviously not learned how to "be sweeter". Until there is more progress in that area, no reason to maintain diatribes on this Talk page."

19 November: one troll replaces the comment of another troll with his own.[103]

20 November: Jimbo censors himself. [104]

22 November: [105] "Your website deserves to get shutdown" Also: [106]

1 December: [107] Reason unknown.

From 2014:

24 February: [108][109] "rm trolling"

2 March: [110][111] "Jimbo suggests that an eight-year account on Wikipedia could possibly be a Joe job, rather than the obvious, that it's a self-interested autobiographical account. Another editor tells him that's a pretty foolish proposition. Poof! Away it goes!"

23 March: [112]

26 March: [113] " removing before someone comments. Block evasion, plus a legal threat (silly and not worrying, but still a clear legal threat) at User talk:Bishonen"

28 March: [114] "rv per WP:BAN" by Demiurge1000, who did not identify this "banned user". He performed several reversions like this during March. Also, Ira Matetsky deigns to silence a critic.[115]

29 March: something is removed and then replaced, for no apparent reason. [116]

18-19 April: numerous complaints by Kumioko are removed, over and over, by admins. [117][118][119] "srsly Kumioko, go piss up a rope already"

20 April: complaints about Ira Matetsky making his own legal threats are not tolerated.[120][121]

24 April: repeated complaints from the same editor are removed. [122][123] "if you can't contribute helpfully to the debate, then go away"

8 May: [124] Geni removes a reasonable statement by an IP address, then blocks the address, not realizing that IPv6 addresses are very easy to change. "(abusing multiple accounts: I don't know who you are and I don't care who you are but you aren't a new user which means ever you are trying to play wikipolitics while avoiding having such activities connected to your main account or are block evading)"

18 May: Coretheapple does the "honors". [125] It devolved into reversions and sniping. Eventually the page was protected.

6 June: [126] "Do you know what you are really good at? Making stupid pronouncements and fucking women who are not your wife." was removed eight minutes later by Ira Matetsky, who then blocked the account permanently. Shortly thereafter the revision was deleted by Guy Chapman.

11 June: [127] Links to a story about Jamie Smith, and his company SCG International, are removed. Smith was a COI editor for Blackwater.

Also 11 June: [128] "Jerk!!"

13 June: [129] "The comments as indicated just shows what a hopeless bunch of degenerates Wikipedia has become. Wikipedia=Knowledge betrayed!" Reverted by Dennis Brown, account blocked forever.

Also 13 June: [130] "rmv thread by blocked User:Commissioner Gordon"

20 June: [131] An IP address (probably Greg Kohs) asks Jimbo about the recent Wikipediocracy blog post (WMF donors receiving special treatment on their Wikipedia articles), and Wales reverts it with no comment.

6 August: [132] A comment by a "banned editor" is removed despite Carrite not actually being banned or blocked. The genius work of Smallbones.

25 August: [133] A complaint is removed.

26 August: sarcasm is not permitted. [134] Also, someone asks if Arbcom can be dissolved, and Harry Mitchell removes it quickly.

27 August: Nutcase JimSiduri is silenced. [135]

28 August: A complaint about Dr. Michel Aaij is removed. [136] "rv copy-pasted junk"

29 August: [137] "Haha, you co-founded Wikipedia and you can't even keep your laptop charged!"

1 September: [138] Inexplicable.

5 September: A whole series of comments following this one are rev-deleted. Followed immediately by "Changed protection level of User talk:Jimbo Wales: bock evasion; this is not the appropriate forum ". No explanation. Earlier that day, Malleus is silenced again.

9 September: [139] Difficult to summarize.

10 September: [140] A joke? Whatever it is, it cannot be allowed to exist on Jimbotalk.

13 September: [141][142] An IP address is silenced. (See Zoe Quinn/Gamergate.)

14 September: [143] Demiurge1000 silences an IP address, unrequested.

15 September: [144][145] An IP address complains about MONGO, and MONGO himself removes it. "(remove schreeching by banned editor Greg Kohs)"

9 October: [146] An IP address points out that the ever-wonderful Ryulong used the term "not here to build an encyclopedia" in order to protect a photo called "Titty.jpg" back in 2007. And so, "rm trolling" again.

2 December: several revs relating to "undesirable" editing by the group "India Against Corruption" were rev-deleted.

5 December, two IP addresses complain about the WMF's poor child protection policy, a reasonable conversation starts, and Harry Mitchell deletes it all. [147] "(JW, if you want this here then revert me; otherwise, let's not indulge the troll—they're posting here through open proxies; that should tell you all you need to know.)"

6 December: [148] A former editor posts a reasonable, intelligent critique of Wikipedia, and Ryan Bushby removes it with no explanation.

7 December: [149] "No personal attacks please."

10 December: two IP addresses kept inserting something, and various insiders rev-deleted it over and over. No evidence remains of what was said.

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- 09:17, 10 December 2014‎ AndyTheGrump (124,617 bytes) (-1,553)‎
- 09:16, 10 December 2014‎ SineBot (126,170 bytes) (+282)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:16, 10 December 2014‎ 154.70.153.47 (talk)‎ . . (125,888 bytes) (+1,271)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:16, 10 December 2014‎ AndyTheGrump (124,617 bytes) (-1,566)‎
- 09:16, 10 December 2014‎ SineBot (126,183 bytes) (+282)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:15, 10 December 2014‎ 154.70.153.47 (talk)‎ . . (125,901 bytes) (+1,284)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:15, 10 December 2014‎ AndyTheGrump (124,617 bytes) (-1,553)‎ . . (rv)
- 09:14, 10 December 2014‎ SineBot (126,170 bytes) (+282)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:13, 10 December 2014‎ 154.70.153.47 (talk)‎ . . (125,888 bytes) (+1,271)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:13, 10 December 2014‎ Túrelio (124,617 bytes) (-1,566)‎ . . (will finally someone block this IP?)
- 09:12, 10 December 2014‎ SineBot (126,183 bytes) (+282)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:12, 10 December 2014‎ 154.70.153.47 (talk)‎ . . (125,901 bytes) (+1,284)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:12, 10 December 2014‎ AndyTheGrump (124,617 bytes) (-1,271)‎ . . (Undid revision 637450985 by 154.70.153.47 (talk))
- 09:12, 10 December 2014‎ 154.70.153.47 (talk)‎ . . (125,888 bytes) (+1,271)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:12, 10 December 2014‎ Túrelio (124,617 bytes) (-1,566)‎ . . (rv vand)
- 09:10, 10 December 2014‎ SineBot (126,183 bytes) (+282)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:10, 10 December 2014‎ 154.70.153.47 (talk)‎ . . (125,901 bytes) (+1,284)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:10, 10 December 2014‎ AndyTheGrump (124,617 bytes) (-1,553)‎
- 09:07, 10 December 2014‎ SineBot (126,170 bytes) (+282)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:07, 10 December 2014‎ 154.70.153.47 (talk)‎ . . (125,888 bytes) (+1,271)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:07, 10 December 2014‎ AndyTheGrump (124,617 bytes) (-1,566)‎ . . (rv)
- 09:06, 10 December 2014‎ SineBot (126,183 bytes) (+282)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:06, 10 December 2014‎ 154.70.153.47 (talk)‎ . . (125,901 bytes) (+1,284)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 09:05, 10 December 2014‎ AndyTheGrump (124,617 bytes) (-1,553)‎ . . (rv)
- 08:57, 10 December 2014‎ SineBot (126,170 bytes) (+282)‎ . . (edit summary removed)
- 08:57, 10 December 2014‎ 154.70.153.47 (talk)‎ . . (125,888 bytes) (+1,271)‎ . . (edit summary removed)

From 2015:

2 January: [150] "per BMB"
5 January: Coretheapple complains about Bess Myerson being declared "dead" by Wikipedia, so "Not needed here, I will respond on the editors talk to advise about reliable sources". [151]
6 January: [152] A lengthy argument between various people is removed, "If you wish to continue this discussion, start a new thread, and don't add menacing comments." Also, someone complains about being called a "block evader" by Harry Mitchell, and is silenced. Mitchell then semiprotects the page. [153] Also: more of the same. [154]
16 January: Ryulong makes an attack and it is removed -- for once. [155]
20 January: [156] "Manually archived discussion, we don't need any more drama and this is only going to cause more trouble sitting here." It was about Scott Bibby.
25 January: [157] Robert Fernandez removes a comment about Mark Bernstein, because "BLP". "MB has contacted me to complain that this comment is inaccurate and defamatory. I make no claim about whether or not it actually is, but I thought it in the best interests of everyone and BLP to remove it for the time being"
6-7 February: massive rev-deletion of Gamergate-related and some unrelated squabbles, 65 in all, with no explanation:

(cur | prev) 18:58, 7 February 2015‎ Beeblebrox (talk | contribs)‎ . . (41,401 bytes) (-25,336)‎ . . (removing attempted outing)

(cur | prev) 18:49, 7 February 2015‎ DHeyward (talk | contribs)‎ . . (66,737 bytes) (+1,485)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux)

(cur | prev) 18:15, 7 February 2015‎ SineBot (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (65,252 bytes) (+284)‎ . . (Signing comment by 173.254.77.145 - "→‎w:pl:user:Michał Rosa: new section")

(cur | prev) 18:14, 7 February 2015‎ 173.254.77.145 (talk)‎ . . (64,968 bytes) (+240)‎ . . (→‎w:pl:user:Michał Rosa: new section)

(cur | prev) 18:06, 7 February 2015‎ JzG (talk | contribs)‎ . . (64,728 bytes) (+546)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux: reply)

(cur | prev) 17:44, 7 February 2015‎ Esetok (talk | contribs)‎ . . (64,182 bytes) (+207)‎ . . (→‎Censorship in Kazakh Wikipedia)

(cur | prev) 17:30, 7 February 2015‎ Liz (talk | contribs)‎ . . (63,975 bytes) (+820)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux: Comment)

(cur | prev) 16:57, 7 February 2015‎ SandalFoot15 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (63,155 bytes) (+423)‎ . . (→‎Question)

(cur | prev) 16:56, 7 February 2015‎ Jimbo Wales (talk | contribs)‎ . . (62,732 bytes) (+612)‎ . . (→‎Trolling?)

(cur | prev) 16:47, 7 February 2015‎ Jimbo Wales (talk | contribs)‎ . . (62,120 bytes) (+1,316)‎ . . (→‎Trolling?)

(cur | prev) 16:41, 7 February 2015‎ Jimbo Wales (talk | contribs)‎ . . (60,804 bytes) (+587)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?)

(cur | prev) 16:28, 7 February 2015‎ Kaiyr (talk | contribs)‎ . . (60,217 bytes) (+196)‎ . . (→‎Censorship in Kazakh Wikipedia)

(cur | prev) 16:19, 7 February 2015‎ SandKitty256 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (60,021 bytes) (+162)‎ . . (→‎Question: new section)

(cur | prev) 14:52, 7 February 2015‎ Wnt (talk | contribs)‎ . . (59,859 bytes) (+1,142)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?)

(cur | prev) 14:34, 7 February 2015‎ Crampudder (talk | contribs)‎ . . (58,717 bytes) (+273)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?)

(cur | prev) 12:50, 7 February 2015‎ Graham87 (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (58,444 bytes) (-299)‎ . . (Undid revision 645912121 by SineBot (talk), not appropriate)

(cur | prev) 11:12, 7 February 2015‎ JzG (talk | contribs)‎ . . (58,743 bytes) (+1,782)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux: comment)

(cur | prev) 08:46, 7 February 2015‎ Kaiyr (talk | contribs)‎ . . (56,961 bytes) (+414)‎ . . (→‎Censorship in Kazakh Wikipedia)

(cur | prev) 08:42, 7 February 2015‎ Philippe (WMF) (talk | contribs)‎ . . (56,547 bytes) (+207)‎ . . (→‎Wikipedia for Idiots?: rmk)

(cur | prev) 04:44, 7 February 2015‎ SandalFoot15 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (56,340 bytes) (+1,084)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux)

(cur | prev) 04:26, 7 February 2015‎ SandalFoot15 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (55,256 bytes) (+232)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux)

(cur | prev) 04:23, 7 February 2015‎ SandalFoot15 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (55,024 bytes) (+831)‎ . . (Re Gloucester & RSes)

(cur | prev) 00:46, 7 February 2015‎ Nola Carveth (talk | contribs)‎ . . (54,193 bytes) (+374)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: OK)

(cur | prev) 00:13, 7 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (53,819 bytes) (0)‎ . . (typo)

(cur | prev) 00:12, 7 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (53,819 bytes) (0)‎ . . (c/e)

(cur | prev) 00:12, 7 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (53,819 bytes) (+723)‎ . . (cmt)

(cur | prev) 23:24, 6 February 2015‎ Nola Carveth (talk | contribs)‎ . . (53,096 bytes) (+2,531)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: Still more examples.)

(cur | prev) 22:49, 6 February 2015‎ Krano (talk | contribs)‎ . . (50,565 bytes) (+104)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux: comment)

(cur | prev) 22:32, 6 February 2015‎ RGloucester (talk | contribs)‎ . . (50,461 bytes) (+242)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux: r)

(cur | prev) 22:02, 6 February 2015‎ DHeyward (talk | contribs)‎ . . (50,219 bytes) (+216)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux)

(cur | prev) 21:51, 6 February 2015‎ Nola Carveth (talk | contribs)‎ . . (50,003 bytes) (+244)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: Your word not mine.)

(cur | prev) 21:47, 6 February 2015‎ Nola Carveth (talk | contribs)‎ . . (49,759 bytes) (+1,436)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: Even more examples)

(cur | prev) 21:12, 6 February 2015‎ Wnt (talk | contribs)‎ . . (48,323 bytes) (+1,952)‎ . . (→‎Censorship in Kazakh Wikipedia)

(cur | prev) 21:11, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (46,371 bytes) (+436)‎ . . (vicious harassment)

(cur | prev) 21:05, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (45,935 bytes) (+6)‎ . . (THREE other editors think you're out of line.)

(cur | prev) 21:03, 6 February 2015‎ Baseball Bugs (talk | contribs)‎ . . (45,929 bytes) (+346)‎ . . (→‎Trolling?)

(cur | prev) 21:03, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (45,583 bytes) (+412)‎ . . (This harassment must stop.)

(cur | prev) 20:57, 6 February 2015‎ Nola Carveth (talk | contribs)‎ . . (45,171 bytes) (+198)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: No outing has taken place)

(cur | prev) 20:55, 6 February 2015‎ Nola Carveth (talk | contribs)‎ . . (44,973 bytes) (+1,162)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: More info)

(cur | prev) 20:43, 6 February 2015‎ ChrisGualtieri (talk | contribs)‎ . . (43,811 bytes) (+721)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: Little context)

(cur | prev) 20:38, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (43,090 bytes) (+1)‎ . . (typo)

(cur | prev) 20:31, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (43,089 bytes) (+655)‎ . . (attempted-WP:OUTING harassment must stop)

(cur | prev) 20:26, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (42,434 bytes) (+1)‎ . . (refactoring to the post to which I was replying)

(cur | prev) 20:25, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (42,433 bytes) (+534)‎ . . (thank you)

(cur | prev) 20:22, 6 February 2015‎ Nola Carveth (talk | contribs)‎ . . (41,899 bytes) (+953)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: Let me draw you a picture.)

(cur | prev) 20:06, 6 February 2015‎ ChrisGualtieri (talk | contribs)‎ . . (40,946 bytes) (+922)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: re)

(cur | prev) 19:57, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (40,024 bytes) (-1)‎ . . (typo)

(cur | prev) 19:56, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (40,025 bytes) (+422)‎ . . (addl)

(cur | prev) 19:53, 6 February 2015‎ Esetok (talk | contribs)‎ . . (39,603 bytes) (+200)‎ . . (→‎Censorship in Kazakh Wikipedia)

(cur | prev) 19:53, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (39,403 bytes) (0)‎ . . (typo)

(cur | prev) 19:50, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (39,403 bytes) (+926)‎ . . (addl)

(cur | prev) 19:43, 6 February 2015‎ Nola Carveth (talk | contribs)‎ . . (38,477 bytes) (+714)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: Reply)

(cur | prev) 19:36, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (37,763 bytes) (+1)‎ . . (c/e)

(cur | prev) 19:35, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (37,762 bytes) (-1)‎ . . (c/e)

(cur | prev) 19:35, 6 February 2015‎ Esetok (talk | contribs)‎ . . (37,763 bytes) (+777)‎ . . (→‎Censorship in Kazakh Wikipedia: +comment)

(cur | prev) 19:35, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (36,986 bytes) (+134)‎ . . (add'l)

(cur | prev) 19:33, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (36,852 bytes) (+6)‎ . . (paragraph breaks)

(cur | prev) 19:32, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (36,846 bytes) (+360)‎ . . (addl)

(cur | prev) 19:30, 6 February 2015‎ FormerIP (talk | contribs)‎ . . (36,486 bytes) (+518)‎ . . (→‎Gamergate redux: cmt)

(cur | prev) 19:29, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (35,968 bytes) (0)‎ . . (typo)

(cur | prev) 19:28, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (35,968 bytes) (+478)‎ . . (addl)

(cur | prev) 19:16, 6 February 2015‎ Tenebrae (talk | contribs)‎ . . (35,490 bytes) (+1,644)‎ . . (comment)

(cur | prev) 19:15, 6 February 2015‎ Robert McClenon (talk | contribs)‎ . . (33,846 bytes) (+253)‎ . . (→‎Trolling?: why here?)

(cur | prev) 19:09, 6 February 2015‎ Wnt (talk | contribs)‎ . . (33,593 bytes) (+698)‎ . . (→‎Censorship in Kazakh Wikipedia)

(cur | prev) 18:07, 6 February 2015‎ Nola Carveth (talk | contribs)‎ . . (32,895 bytes) (+3,497)‎ . . (→‎Why are Frank Lovece and Maitland McDonagh quoted so often on Wikipedia?: Some more info on Lovece/McDonagh promotion)

11 February: [158] "(Gamergate redux: removed BLP violation. Do not reinsert this.)", which does not appear to be a "BLP violation". Also, Harry Mitchell removes a lengthy argument for no good reason. [159] Also: [160] "rv LTA"
12 February: [161]
15 February: [162] A complaint about two admins vanishes thanks to Jonathan Hochman.
25 February: [163] Someone apparently had an argument with Ryan Bushby, and the traces "mysteriously disappeared".
27 February: [164] Admin "Blade Of The Northern Lights" idiotically reverts an automatic archiving.

31 August: [165] unexplained
1 September: [166] "rv IP sockpuppet of banned User:Vote (X) for Change"
3 September: [167] "unsubstantiated attack" on Mark Benstein, also: [168] "rm sock", also: [169] removed for no apparent reason
4 September: [170] "Jimbo has replied, no reason to go round in circles"
5 September: [171] two instances of "rm IP sockpuppet of banned User:Vote (X) for Change)"
7 September: the start of an unexplained series of removals. [172] Plus, complaints about Cla68 are removed by Lukas Pietsch. [173]
8 September: [174][175] possibly a Gamergater; also, an unexplained removal [176]
9 September: [177] "WP:RBI"
10 September: [178] "Per WP:TPO & WP:DENY, rm IP sockpuppet of banned User:Vote (X) for Change)" [179] ". Also: "WP:EVADE" [180]
11 September: unexplained removal by Guy Chapman [181]
17 September: [182][183] "rv sock", plus a complaint about Lukas Pietsch is removed [184]
18 September: [185] "Per WP:TPO & WP:DENY, rm IP sockpuppet of banned User:Vote (X) for Change)"
20 September: [186] "sock of banned user". Plus four removals of comments because "Per WP:TPO & WP:DENY, rm IP sockpuppet of banned User:Vote (X) for Change)" [187][188][189][190]
21 September: [191] same
24 September: [192][193][194] Scott Bibby shows up to call Carrite names, so "please go elsewhere'
25 September: [195][196] The People's Operator complaint is removed
26 September: [197] The People's Operator complaint is removed by Smallbones
27 September: [198][199] The People's Operator complaint is removed by Smallbones
3 October: [200] "RPA"
6 October: [201][202][203] "rm sock"
7 October: [204] "block evasion"
14 October: [205] Someone complains about "administrator misconduct" and is silenced
15 October: [206] "banned user"
17 October: [207] "this is part of a string of silly edits"
18 October: [208] A reasonable comment is deleted as a "troll post", as a "block evasion" [209]
19 October: [210] Smallbones strikes again
21 October: [211] "rv, this is a thread with more heat than light. Please raise it at the relevant forums such as WP:ANI"
21 October: unexplained series of rev-deletions.

(cur | prev) 21:13, 21 October 2015‎ NeilN (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (40,726 bytes) (-314)‎ . . (edit summary removed)

(cur | prev) 21:12, 21 October 2015‎ (Username or IP removed)‎ . . (41,040 bytes) (+314)‎ . . (→‎The Atlantic - How Wikipedia Is Hostile to Women)

(cur | prev) 20:58, 21 October 2015‎ Arkon (talk | contribs)‎ . . (40,726 bytes) (-150)‎ . . (Revert to revision 686867225 dated 2015-10-21 20:57:33 by Arkon using popups)

(cur | prev) 20:58, 21 October 2015‎ We all know who did it (talk | contribs)‎ . . (40,876 bytes) (+150)‎ . . (Undid revision 686867225 by Arkon (talk))

(cur | prev) 20:57, 21 October 2015‎ Arkon (talk | contribs)‎ . . (40,726 bytes) (-150)‎ . . (Revert to revision 686865042 dated 2015-10-21 20:42:44 by Eric Corbett using popups)

(cur | prev) 20:56, 21 October 2015‎ We all know who did it (talk | contribs)‎ . . (40,876 bytes) (+150)‎ . . (→‎The Atlantic - How Wikipedia Is Hostile to Women)

23 October: [212][213] "we disagree", over and over. Also: [214] "remove posts by topic-banned editor"
25 October: [215] "rv sock"
28 October: [216] Smallbones claims "(→‎Paid editing: deleted banned troll, per WP:Banrevert)". Also that day, he tries to shut up Simon Tushingham. [217]
29 October: [218] Smallbones fighting with his perpetual enemy "Hell in a bucket".
30 October: [219] An IP makes a complaint and is repeatedly removed. Also, a rev-deletion:

(cur | prev) 01:36, 30 October 2015‎ Hell in a Bucket (talk | contribs)‎ . . (228,712 bytes) (-714)‎ . . (Reverted to revision 688155367 by Wikid77 (talk). (TW))

(cur | prev) 01:32, 30 October 2015‎ 107.150.94.11 (talk)‎ . . (229,426 bytes) (+714)‎ . . (edit summary removed)

31 October: [220][221] Someone doesn't like Lukas Pietsch, so Pietsch removes it and semi-protects the page...."serial ban evasion". Also, Anthony Cole apologizes and it is removed for no apparent reason. [222] Also, Pietsch removes something for no reason. [223]
2 November: [224] Complaints about Zzuuzz are "Rv sock"
7 November: [225] "rm trolling"
8 November: [226] More complaints by an IP about Zzuuzz are removed.
12 November: [227] Several comments by various people are removed with no explanation.
20 November: [228] Smallbones "rv trolling" yet again
21 November: [229] "(rv sock of site-banned User:Vote (X) for Change)" -- this comment is similar to others below, it is probable this complainant was not who they thought it was.
Also on 21 November: rev-deletions.

(cur | prev) 09:26, 21 November 2015‎ Etamni (talk | contribs)‎ . . (12,665 bytes) (-423)‎ . . (edit summary removed)

(cur | prev) 09:23, 21 November 2015‎ SineBot (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (13,088 bytes) (+285)‎ . . (edit summary removed)

(cur | prev) 09:23, 21 November 2015‎ 212.83.146.239 (talk)‎ . . (12,803 bytes) (+138)‎ . . (edit summary removed)

22 November: An IP repeatedly posts this and various administrators remove it.
25 November: [230] "rm trolling"
28 November: [231] Harmless comment removed for no apparent reason.
29 November: [232] "perennial ban evader"
1 December: [233] Smallbones fights with an alleged "banned user".
7 December: [234] "(WP:BOLDLY removing duplicate discussion. This also nukes a comment about it being a dupe by ianmacm, so if anyone objects, feel free to revert.)"
16 December: [235] A short complaint by an IP address is repeatedly removed by Smallbones claiming "Delete the usual banned editor".
17 December: [236] Smallbones removes parts of an argument between others, claiming it is "vandalism".
18 December: [237] A short complaint by an IP address is repeatedly removed by Smallbones claiming "Delete the usual banned editor".
23 December: [238][239] A long complaint about various administrators is repeatedly removed.
24 December: [240] Smallbones vs. Huldra.
27 December: [241] A complaint about Robert Fernandez and Smallbones is removed.
30 December: [242] An IP address repeatedly posts a long complaint about Lukas Pietsch and others remove it. Pietsch then semi-protects the page.
31 December: Guy Chapman "revert banned user" who is probably not the "banned user" he thinks it is. [243]

At the request of E.A. Barbour, all the material from 2016, the further material on Jimmy's trip to Kazakhstan, and the barnstars he has gotten from sycophants has been deleted. The material on Wales' trip to Kazakhstan was written by Peter Damian.

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