Friday, January 17, 2020

Not-Wikipedia: Ham Radio Racists and Loons of the 75 Meter Band

One of the elements of amateur ("ham") radio that isn't really known outside the hobby is that there are certain frequencies that are considered unusable, not because of electromagnetic issues, but because of the ham operators that use it. Over at the Wikipedia Sucks! forum I began a thread on the 147.435 megahertz repeater in Los Angeles that blurred into a discussion of what goes on in the so-called "75 meter band" (3810 kHz-4000 kHz), which is the top portion of the 80 meter band, which begins at 3.500 kilohertz. I don't want to make this more technical than it needs to be, but 75 meters is the part of the band that mid-level ("General class") amateur operators can use for voice communication, most commonly through AM mode or lower sideband, though you can do Morse code throughout all the shortwave bands. What has happened to 75 meters since the 1990s is a degeneration into Citizens' Band (11 meters) style behavior, with jamming, operating without stating FCC-given station call letters, cursing, and the occasional racial epithet. Some of this stuff has to be heard to be believed.

3840 kHz is the ruins of a former Art Bell hangout (I think) that existed at 3845. This is where William Crowell holds court with a number of less-than-stellar operators, all of them Amateur Extras, which means (in America) that they are the top level of amateur radio - they passed all three of the multiple choice tests and they have years of experience. Crowell himself was an Advanced operator (a grandfathered-in sub-Amateur Extra level) when former FCC ham radio overseer Riley Hollingsworth locked Crowell's license in 2007 between his old callsign N6AYJ and the vanity callsign W6WBJ, hoping that he would go away after causing years of issues at the Art Bell frequency. Did I mention that Crowell is an ex-lawyer? So he should know that using the W6WBJ callsign for a decade and counting while jamming the three-nights-a-week Western Amateur Radio Friendship Association (WARFA) net all because Moody T. Law (WQ6I) is involved with WARFA (and Law had been an on-air associate of Art Bell for a number of years) - that such behavior would look pretty awful in a court of law. If Mr. Law were to resign from WARFA, the jamming on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays might end....or not, Crowell has nowhere else to go, he has spent a decade-plus jamming this one ham radio net.


Crowell talks to a number of people on 3840, many of them with long histories of similar behavior...

(post under construction.)

Tuesday, December 31, 2019

More IRC stuff: New Years' Day 2012

Here to annoy Reddit's r/WikiInAction, more #wikipedia-en IRC logs.

Session Start: Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 2012
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[00:00] <darkfalls> TParis: The article is sourced. Just not inline.
[00:00] <Gfoley4> turn to ESPN right now if you want to see something really cool
[00:00] <Pancetta> WOOOO
[00:00] <Pancetta> OWOOOo
[00:00] <Pancetta> WOOOOOOO
[00:01] <TParis> darkfalls: WP:V calls for inline citations.  It's not a strong oppose, but the other articles contribute to the oppose.
[00:02] <darkfalls> TParis: I don't believe the material can be considered something "challenged or likely to be challenged"
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[00:03] <kylu> ...and my neighbors are going nuts with the guns and fireworks
[00:04] <lucasoutloud> I wish I had a giant glitter cannon that left a 50 yard trail.
[00:05] <TParis> darkfalls: Honestly, I've got other gripes.  That article doesn't pass [[WP:GNG]] either.
[00:05] <TParis> One of the refs appears to be trivial coverage.
[00:06] <darkfalls> his book is notable
[00:07] <TParis> Notability isnt inherited...
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[00:07] <TParis> Were a lot of his books notable?
[00:08] <darkfalls> TParis: [[WP:ARTIST]] #4
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[00:08] <TParis> Umm, not sure how #4 applies
[00:09] <darkfalls> his work has significant critical attention
[00:09] <TParis> c maybe?
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[00:10] <TParis> Alright, so why haven't those refs been included by an editor seeking an RFA?  That seems basic to me.
[00:10] <Gfoley4> TParis: might want to clear up what article you're talking about. "Road Trip" is a disamb
[00:10] <darkfalls> probably an example of anglo bias tbh, lack of english sources etc.
[00:11] <TParis> Gfoley4: Wow, the capitization of the "t" makes a difference.  Ehh, that doesnt seem right to me
[00:12] <darkfalls> TParis: Yeah I realised that yesterday
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[00:12] <darkfalls> I was like wtf, when I saw two different articles that had the same title
[00:13] <TParis> darkfalls: Is that yesterday as in a few minutes ago cause it's midnight on the east coast or yesterday as in like 24 hours ago?
[00:13] <CRRaysHead90> happy new year east coasters!
[00:14] <darkfalls> yesterday meaning any time within 48 hrs of now
[00:14] <darkfalls> considering it's probably the 30th when it happened
[00:14] <darkfalls> ;)
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[00:14] <foks> It was new year on the east coast 17hours ago!
[00:14] <foks> #australia
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[00:15] <CRRaysHead90> East coast north america*
[00:15] <LauraHale> America =/= World
[00:16] <CRRaysHead90> never said it did
[00:16] <LauraHale> Always define so the rest of the world knows what you're talking about with out thinking you're one of those idiots from the USA who assumes the world will revolve around you. :)
[00:16] <foks> whoa whoa
[00:16] <foks> he just said happy new year!
[00:17] <foks> chillax :3
[00:18] <Gfoley4> Rather ironic that there is a music show going on in California celebrating the new year - even though it would be 2012 for 3 hours there
[00:18] <Bsadowski1> I wonder what edit was first made in 2012 on Wikipedia.
[00:18] <TParis> Well we already know what the first article was
[00:19] <CRRaysHead90> I don't think the world revolves around us, LauraHale, I'm just used to talking to people in my continent so don't usually have to specify
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[00:19] <CRRaysHead90> chill :)
[00:19] <LauraHale> On IRC, never safe to make that assumption unless you're in a place that is specifically for Americans. :)
[00:19] <TParis> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buddy%27s_Bug_Hunt&redirect=no
[00:19] <TParis> First article of 2012
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[00:20] <darkfalls> ewww
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[00:22] <darkfalls> Shirik: troll.
[00:22] <Shirik> :(
[00:22] <Shirik> what
[00:22] <darkfalls> You made me click that oppose.
[00:22] <Shirik> ha
[00:22] <darkfalls> dirty troll.
[00:23] <Shirik> it's Gfoley4's fault
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[00:23] <Shirik> it was his rationale, but he refused to use it, so I did instead
[00:23] <Gfoley4> haha
[00:23] <Gfoley4> fair enough
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[00:41] <unfo> hi all.  I think it'd be nice if {{cite news}} would take a "type=" parameter, which could be "letter", "editorial", "Celebrity Sightings column", or similar.  Does this seem sensible to you too?
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[00:44] <Thorncrag> unfo: Seems reasonable, I would post your suggestion to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Cite_news so that it can be discussed
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[00:48] <unfo> Thorncrag:  Makes sense.  Thank you.
[00:48] <unfo> Dear all:  {{Citation}} already has a "type=" parameter, which sometimes maps to {{citation/core}}'s "TitleType=" parameter.  But for periodical articles, it does not map to anything in {{citation/core}}.  Is anyone here already familiar with the ultra-complicated guts of {{citation/core}} and might be able to take a look please?
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[00:49] <Gfoley4> yeah, I doubt you'd find much response on IRC tbh. Probably best to post at that link
[00:50] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> bleh I went home my phone is lagging 20 minutes between texts so i have no idea where any of my friends at, and my nightclub job is an block from home :(
[00:52] <Gfoley4> that would be a bummer
[00:52] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> and I'm broke and some of the places where friends are at I have to pay or I'm not sure because 20 minutes between texts :?
[00:52] <matthewrbowker> That is strange
[00:52] <Silvester> Gfoley4, 7 minutes :D
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[00:53] <Gfoley4> ;d
[00:53] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> matthewrbowker i think it's because everyone is texting or calling in new years eve in miami that phone lines are overloaded
[00:54] <unfo> Aranda|zzzzzzzzz:  The SMS problem sounds very frustrating.  But why go clubbing in the first place?  Does it really bring you long-lasting happiness?  :)
[00:54] <Silvester> unfo, he works there
[00:54] <log> Two hours!
[00:55] <Silvester> 5 minutes :D
[00:55] <unfo> Silvester:  if he works there, I would've thought he can speak with his colleagues by phone.  Unless the club is too loud.
[00:55] <lucasoutloud> MY BODY IS READY
[00:55] <log> lucasoutloud: tmi
[00:55] <lucasoutloud> log: Do you not know of that meme?
[00:55] <Gfoley4> log is also ready
 06[00:55] * log is always ready.
[00:56] <SigmaWP> To log?
[00:56] <Silvester> 3 minutes :D
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[00:57] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> anywhere between a 13 to 24 minute log for texts phone calls working fine but who will pick up a phone call in a night club :/
[00:57] <Silvester> 2 minutes :D
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[00:58] <unfo> Why do clubs play such loud music anyway?
[00:59] <SigmaWP> log: Go to sleep.
[00:59] <lucasoutloud> ONE MINUTE
[00:59] <lucasoutloud> MY BODY IS READDDDDY
[00:59] <log> SigmaWP: Why?
[00:59] <SigmaWP> You ought to be sleeping now.
[00:59] <Ironholds> so should I
[00:59] <SigmaWP> o.O
[00:59] <SigmaWP> Ironholds: It's like 5 AM in the UK
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[01:00] <Bsadowski1> w00t
[01:00] <Bsadowski1> It's 2012 for me!
[01:00] <Bsadowski1> \o/
[01:00] <lucasoutloud> NEW YEAR AWW SHIT
[01:00] <Silvester> happy fucking new year!
[01:00] <log> SigmaWP: It's only 10 PM.
[01:00] <Bsadowski1> That's what I said earlier
[01:00] <log> But thanks for your concern.
[01:00] <SigmaWP> log: Ah, on vacation.
[01:00] <Bsadowski1> Happy fucking New Year!
[01:00] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> I also came home to change I poured alcohol over my Lacote cashmere sweater :'(
[01:00] <log> Bsadowski1: Behave, please.
[01:01] <Silvester> hah
[01:01] <SigmaWP> log: School starts in two days (PST). Are you sure you'll adjust time zones in time?
[01:01] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: yup
[01:01] <log> SigmaWP: Stalker.
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[01:02] <SigmaWP> log: No, everyone knows that UTC-8 = 10 PM
[01:02] <log> That's not what I meant. ;P
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[01:02] <Cloveapple> I just entered the new year, so happy new year all
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[01:02] <log> I'm going to be suffering from a ton of jet lag, yes.
[01:03] <Bsadowski1> It doesn't feel like 2012 for me.
[01:03] <Bsadowski1> :(
[01:04] <Cloveapple> maybe you're still stuck in 2011 Bsadowski1
[01:04] <TParis> Yay, it's 2012 here
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[01:05] <Silvester> probably not
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[01:05] <TParis> negative :P
[01:06] <Silvester> so Wisconsin or Illinois...
[01:06] <SigmaWP> Illinois coal balls :D :D :D
[01:07] <Pancetta> ILLANOY!
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[01:07] <Ironholds> ugh
[01:08] <Ironholds> you know what I hate these days?
[01:08] <Gfoley4> da bears
[01:08] <log> England
[01:08] <Ironholds> no, I'm fine with both of those
[01:08] <Cloveapple> what's wrong Ironholds ?
[01:08] <Silvester> apples
[01:08] <Ironholds> I hate that when I see someone being nice to new users, I notice
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[01:10] <Cloveapple> you didn't know that all new users are vandals bent on destroying WP?
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[01:10] <Ryulong> ( ´_ゝ`)
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[01:10] <Ironholds> Cloveapple: more "people being nice should be run-of-the-mill"
[01:10] <Silvester> log, ^
[01:10] <Cloveapple> I agree
[01:10] <Ayan_> I'm a nice wikipedia helper.
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[01:11] <Earwig> Sigh.
[01:11] <Shirik> !ops
[01:11] <Shirik> I lose
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[01:11] <log> Hi.
[01:11] <Silvester> log, kick Shirik for abusing the stalkword
[01:11] <IShadowed> yes
[01:11] <IShadowed> kick him, kick him now
[01:11] <Ironholds> and kick Silvester for rabble-rousing. and then kick yourself for abusing your ops powers.
[01:11] <log> Ironholds: <3
[01:11] <Ironholds> I used to be an op. then I took an arrow in the knee.
[01:12] <IShadowed> ..
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[01:12] <Gumruch> Hello, can any sysop create protected and
[01:12] <IShadowed> to, you bastard
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[01:12] <IShadowed> it's TO the knee
[01:12] <Shirik> Gumruch: What do you need?
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[01:12] <Silvester> IShadowed, he used to care, but then he took an arrow to the knee.
[01:12] <Ryulong> I had someone fail to assume good faith of me because I proposed that a film's article be moved because the title features a full stop at the end that no one seems to have noticed in the 4 years that it's been out
[01:12] <IShadowed> much better
[01:12] <kylu> http://knowyourmeme.com/videos/26014-i-took-an-arrow-in-the-knee
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[01:13] <Gumruch> Shirik: sorry; protected Category:2012 deaths and delete unproper Category:Deaths in 2012
[01:13] <Gumruch> Shirik: there are already 2 articles in it and many interwikis
[01:13] <Shirik> sure
[01:14] <log> People died already? That's depressing.
[01:14] <Shirik> how about I just unprotect it?
[01:14] <Shirik> and you can do it
[01:14] <Gumruch> Shirik: ok, thanks
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[01:16] <Shirik> meh, I just created it with basic text
[01:16] <Shirik> you can make it look not sucky
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[01:16] <Sp33dyphil> hey SigmaWP
[01:17] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Hi
[01:17] <Gumruch> Shirik: done, thanks for cooperation, bye
[01:17] <SigmaWP> Gumruch: See ya
[01:17] <SigmaWP> And happy holidays
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[01:19] <Ryulong> I also believe I should not be reprimanded by someone who cannot spell "vandalism" properly
[01:20] <matthewrbowker> ^
[01:21] <Ryulong> sources http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Evangelion:_1.0_You_Are_%28Not%29_Alone&diff=468889309&oldid=468860845 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Evangelion:_1.0_You_Are_%28Not%29_Alone&diff=468889309&oldid=468860845
[01:22] <Ryulong> damn it wrong 2nd URL
[01:22] <Ryulong> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Evangelion:_2.0_You_Can_%28Not%29_Advance&diff=468891191&oldid=468890723
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[01:23] <Ryulong> wtf is his deal
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[01:27] <darkfalls> kylu: that poor dweeb :(
[01:28] <kylu> when more chumps quote skyrim than have quoted it, it's time for the fucking meme to die.
[01:28] <Ryulong> *played
[01:28] <kylu> that too, but I was more thinking "quote" versus "heard it" really.
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[01:29] <kylu> anyway, g'ni, happy new year, w/e
[01:31] <darkfalls> night kylu
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[01:36] <Ryulong> Japan had an earthquake about an hour ago
[01:37] <Silvester> yes old news http://theopenglobe.org/wiki/7.0_magnitude_earthquake_strikes_near_Japan
[01:40] <Shirik> yeah got a USGS alert about it a while ago, took a screenshot and sent a text to my parents saying "what a great way to start off the new year"
[01:40] <log> Ironholds: oh, right, saw your e-mail
[01:40] <Ironholds> log: too late! :P
[01:40] <Shirik> I debated making a 2012 end-of-the-world joke, but figured I shouldn't go there quite yet
[01:40] <log> the chunk ID apparently doesn't exist anymore
[01:40] <log> :P
[01:40] <Ironholds> I did it because you weren't around ;p
[01:40] <Ryulong> I wish I got alerts from the geological survey
[01:41] <Shirik> you can...
[01:41] <log> sorry, I'm on vacation
[01:41] <Ironholds> log: that's okay!
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[01:41] <log> a bit busy
[01:41] <Ironholds> ugh. sleeeep.
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[01:41] <SigmaWP> Took a while
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[01:41] <Shirik> https://sslearthquake.usgs.gov/ens/
[01:41] <SigmaWP> He will be waking up in 2 or 3 hours anyway
[01:41] <SigmaWP> I'm off
[01:41] <SigmaWP> Wait...
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[01:41] <Ryulong> also
[01:41] <SigmaWP> Bye
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[01:41] <Shirik> Ryulong, don't you live in Japan?
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[01:42] <Ryulong> no
[01:42] <Shirik> You have that crazy chime chime thingy right?
[01:42] <Shirik> oh
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[01:42] <Ryulong> I'm in Miami trick
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[01:42] <Ryulong> I mean palm beach
[01:42] <darkfalls> Ryulong doesn't live, he exists.
[01:42] <Ryulong> an old woman died in a house fire in Kagoshima Prefecture
[01:43] <Shirik> Japan has the coolest sounding alert. In the US we have that evil sounding EAS SAME tone, and in Japan it's like "oh that sounds beautiful OH WAIT HIT THE DECK"
[01:43] <Ryulong> and there was an arson in Tochigi, but no one died
[01:43] <Ryulong> *84 year old woman
[01:44] <Shirik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVlajyv8TRU&feature=related
[01:44] <Shirik> love that sound
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[01:47] <unfo> Ryulong:  a good friend of just moved back to Japan.  I don't have his new phone number, although it may be on his university's math faculty site.  All I have is his email.  Do you think it's important that I contact him and check if he's OK?
[01:47] <unfo> *a good friend of mine
[01:47] <unfo> Shirik:
[01:47] <unfo> ^
[01:48] <Ryulong> it's only a 7.0
[01:48] <Shirik> it was also pretty deep
[01:48] <IShadowed> TWSS
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[01:48] <foks> And about 150miles away
[01:49] <Shirik> the alert I got said 348 km deep 31.416N 138.155E, 241 km (150 miles) SW (220 degrees) of Hachijo-jima, Izu Islands, Japan
[01:52] <foks> where are you again?
[01:52] <Shirik> me?
[01:53] <Shirik> unfo said it was his friend living out there
[01:53] <Shirik> I just live on the west coast
[01:54] <foks> Ah.
[01:54] <foks> West Coast US, I assume.
[01:54] <foks> And not the West Coast I live on.
[01:55] <Silvester> I was going to go to bed, but then I took-- a look outside and saw how windy it was
[01:55] <foks> :P
[01:56] <Silvester> but really
[01:56] <foks> Annoyingly there's no wind here.
[01:56] <Silvester> it's really windy
[01:56] <foks> At least it's not too bad heat-wise
[01:56] <Silvester> NWS says up to 75 mph gusts
[01:56] <Shirik> that's fun
[01:56] <foks> heh
[01:56] <foks> Scotland was getting that a few weeks back
[01:56] <foks> Tales of woe
[01:56] <Shirik> I live in an area where it's windy all the time, but 75 is still pretty crazy
[01:56] <Silvester> plus
[01:57] <Silvester> my house is really high
[01:57] <Shirik> actually when it's not really windy we start getting weather alerts, lol
[01:57] <Silvester> like, probably the highest area in town
[01:57] <Silvester> so it gets really windy
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[01:57] <Shirik> "air stagnation advisory"
[01:58] <Shirik> 75 is pretty intense though
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[01:59] <unfo> Ryulong:  Shirik:  ah.  I see there's nothing major to worry about.
[01:59] <unfo> "Buildings in the Tokyo area shook but there were no immediate reports of damage or injuries.  Express trains in northern and central Japan were suspended temporarily for safety checks but later resumed."
[01:59] <unfo> -- http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hyn3IJDJkq8R8DYRTluF62S4DRmQ?docId=be48ddc00d1249d8a3683035e1623d8c
[01:59] <unfo> Thank you.
[02:00] <Shirik> Their trains actually stop automatically, it's pretty cool
[02:00] <Shirik> J-Wave automatically terminates the trains
[02:00] <log> Gfoley4
[02:00] <Shirik> sorry not J-Wave
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[02:00] <Shirik> whatever that chime thingy is
[02:01] <Shirik> this thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_Early_Warning_(Japan)
[02:01] <Shirik> J-Alert that's it
[02:01] <Gfoley4> oh, trains
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[02:03] <Shirik> Japanese have all the technology I wish we had :(
[02:04] <Silvester> they also have creepy things i'm glad we don't have
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[02:19] <TheCuriousGnome> Where in Wikipedia can I get assistance in translation? I need help translating a short piece of text in Arabic.
[02:20] <Shirik> there's a template for that
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[02:20] <Shirik> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Translate
[02:21] <The359> Wait, according to that, the J-Alert automatically turns on all televisions and radios and tunes them to one station in the affected area
[02:21] <The359> Really?
[02:22] <Shirik> I don't live there, I know significantly less about J-Alert than I do about EAS, but I think it just pops up over the broadcast
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[02:22] <The359> If tsunami warnings are issued, the Emergency Warning Broadcast system breaks into the signal and automatically turns on all radios and televisions in the warned areas tuned to NHK at the time the system is activated, so that the warnings are received properly.
[02:22] <The359> That sentence is odd
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[02:23] <Pancetta> EAS!!!!
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[02:23] <LauraHale> I thought they said no tsunami warnings for that 7.0
[02:23] <Shirik> there aren't
[02:23] <Shirik> we're just talking about the alert system they use
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[02:25] <Shirik> I mean I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult. EAS can turn on radios.
[02:25] <Shirik> though I guess for some definition they're already "on"
[02:25] <Silvester> Shirik, It can?
[02:25] <Shirik> sure
[02:26] <Silvester> not if the physical switch is turned off though
[02:26] <Shirik> that tone at the beginning of a message is actually digitally encoded information a radio can use to determine if it should turn on and play the alert
[02:26] <Shirik> well yeah
[02:26] <Shirik> basically the radio is just listening silently
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[02:26] <Silvester> so...
[02:26] <The359> So if the EAS goes off and my car radio is off, it'll turn it on?
[02:27] <Shirik> no, only radios that know how to interpret it
[02:27] <Silvester> How is a radio listening if it's off?
[02:27] <zscout370> Shirik, for the EAS, the broadcast is replaced with a vocal alert and on the TV, a banner.
[02:27] <Pancetta> It's scary as hell too
[02:27] <Gfoley4> so, Imma stop stalking "alert"
[02:27] <Shirik> zscout370: Not sure what that was in response to
[02:28] <Shirik> Silvester: OK take my weather radio for example, when I turn it off, it actually is still sitting there listening to the channel for any EAS activation
[02:28] <Shirik> if it receives one, it decodes it, and if it matches my settings, it turns on and plays the alert
[02:28] <zscout370> Shirik, responding to your comment on how the EAS comes up during a broadcast at 01:22 (according to my timestamp)
[02:28] <Silvester> zscout370, My cable provider breaks into channels with some creepy old man voice saying "PLEASE TUNE TO CABLE CHANNEL TWENTY-TWO FOR MORE EMERGENCY ALERT INFORMATION"
[02:28] <Pancetta> Can radios turn themselves on upon receiving the SAME header? I thought that was only NOAA Weather Radio-type devices.
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[02:28] <Pancetta> And even then, the device has to be physically turned on.
[02:28] <Silvester> Shirik, Well, I knew that.
[02:28] <Silvester> But not like a normal radio
[02:28] <Shirik> right
[02:28] <Shirik> sorry, that's all I meant
[02:28] <zscout370> Silvester, ours just displays the warnings and hear a strange voice. For the radio, they switch to a TV broadcast.
[02:29] <Shirik> zscout370: I was referring to J-Alert there
[02:29] <zscout370> ah
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[02:30] <Silvester> zscout370, They also switched over to digital, not just over the air digital, but totally digital cable too, I think the EAS has something to do with it
[02:30] <Silvester> But now they CHARGE you for the cable box you have to use.
[02:30] <Silvester> And you have to use their boxes
[02:30] <Shirik> wasn't that a nationwide thing?
[02:30] <Silvester> Shirik, OTA was
[02:30] <Silvester> but actual cable wasn't
[02:31] <zscout370> Silvester, I don't have a box in my home and when I am at school, I just leach off of the school's system.
[02:31] <Silvester> http://mediacomcable.com/order/all_digital_faq.html
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[02:31] <Silvester> "There is no cost for our customers. Mediacom will provide free digital adapters for any customer who requires this equipment in order to receive digital signals." so why do I see a charge for 6 converter boxes
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[02:33] <Silvester> mediacom is just a horrible company
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[02:33] <zscout370> Cox at home, I believe Suddenlink when at school
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[02:36] <Silvester> "* WINDS...NORTHWEST WINDS SUSTAINED FROM 35 TO 45 MPH WITH GUSTS  OF 50 TO 60 MPH ARE EXPECTED."
[02:36] <Shirik> fun
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[02:37] <barts1a> always is
[02:37] <Silvester> and we set a record for snowfall
[02:38] <Silvester> a record low
[02:38] <barts1a> Meh; australia had the usual zero
[02:38] <Silvester> with a grand total of .8 inches since October
[02:38] <Silvester> eh, that's not a record low
[02:38] <Silvester> but it's low
[02:39] <foks> We have no idea where you are
[02:39] <Silvester> normally we have somewhere around 10 inches by now
[02:39] <zscout370> surprised Arkansas did not get snow so far
[02:39] <Silvester> iowa
[02:39] <Pancetta> lowa
[02:39] <Pancetta> lndana
[02:39] <Pancetta> lndiana*
[02:39] <SigmaWP> Indiana-ian coal balls :D
[02:39] <SigmaWP> Silvester: What state are you in?
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[02:39] <Silvester> oh, Pancetta = harej
[02:40] <barts1a> SigmaWP: How goes the hear-tear... I mean FA writing?
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[02:40] <barts1a> *hair
[02:40] <Pancetta> oh, Silvester = pilif12p
[02:40] <Silvester> i was worried that you were some creepy person stalking me
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[02:40] <barts1a> ...
[02:40] <Pancetta> You didn't see what I did there. Instead of typing capital-i, I did lowercase-L.
[02:40] <barts1a> Man, conversations derail quicker
[02:41] <Silvester> i noticed
[02:41] <barts1a> *quickly
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[02:41] <SigmaWP> Silvester: If you live in Herrin, Illinois, please fetch a coal ball from the local coal seams and take a picture of it
[02:41] <Silvester> this font makes it easy to notice
[02:41] <Silvester> I has the things across the top
[02:41] <SigmaWP> Silvester: And if you know how, you can apply the liquid-peel technique to analyse its contents
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[02:41] <TheCuriousGnome> Where in Wikipedia can I get assistance in translation? I need help translating a short piece of text in Arabic.
[02:41] <Silvester> l has something going to the left on the top, and right on the bottom
[02:42] <tashir> does anyone know where to get the numeric data for the enwp line on http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_active_contributors_trend.jpg ?
[02:42] <zscout370> TheCuriousGnome, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Translation
[02:42] <tashir> monthly, preferably?
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[02:45] <barts1a> Could someone please block http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ahmedunbreakabletato for a little while for repeatedly and knowing edit warring against consensus on [[Michael (album)]]?
[02:46] <Ryulong> no
[02:46] <Ryulong> ( `ー´)
[02:46] <SigmaWP> ^
[02:47] <Ryulong> ( `ー´) the world
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[02:49] <foks> the iPod's Japanese keyboard has loads of japanese emoticons on it.
[02:49] <foks> awesome
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[02:50] <barts1a> Do you think the reverts to studio were good faith as well?
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[02:55] <unfo> Thorncrag:  Gfoley4:  I just posted at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Citation/core#Please_make_.7CTitleType.3D_work_for_periodicals .  Thanks for your advice and have a good night.
[02:55] <Gfoley4> ok, cool
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[02:58] <barts1a> *consensus
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[03:01] <log> Happy New Year, West Coast USA!
[03:01] <matthewrbowker> barts1a: No, but I walked in mid-conversation so I don't know what to say
[03:01] <SigmaWP> Oh, it's already time
[03:01] <SigmaWP> Heh
[03:01] <SigmaWP> Didn't notice, was too busy
[03:03] <foks> Happy new year, seattle, los angeles, san diego, and all the other less important cities i've forgotten about
[03:03] <barts1a> It's 4:04 PM where I am
[03:03] <barts1a> on January 1 2012
[03:03] <foks> Yes, same
[03:03] <foks> Since we're, y'know, in the same city
[03:03] <barts1a> oh yeah...
[03:04] <foks> :P
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[03:09] <LtNOWIS> Hmm. Looks like the opposition party won in Jamaica.
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[03:10] <OlEnglish> happy new year everyone
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[03:11] <OlEnglish> (PST)
[03:11] <barts1a> ah... it's finally apoco-year in PST
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[03:11] <OlEnglish> hehe
[03:11] <OlEnglish> :)
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[03:28] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Hi
[03:29] <SigmaWP> Hi
[03:29] <wctaiwan> Hello.
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[03:31] <SigmaWP> Pine: Hi
[03:31] <Pine> Hi Sigma, happy new year
[03:31] <SigmaWP> :D
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[03:32] <Pine> Want a slice of cake, Sigma?
[03:33] <SigmaWP> Yay!
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[03:34] <Pine> LauraHale, want a slice?
[03:34] <LauraHale> Sure. :)
[03:34] <LauraHale> I like cake. :D
[03:35] <matthewrbowker> Wikicake :)
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[03:36] <LauraHale> :D
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[03:36] <LauraHale> Hello Seven of Nine. :D
[03:36] <wctaiwan> poisoning editors in the park...
[03:36] <wctaiwan> we'll murder them all amid laughter and merriment, 'cept for the few we give to arbcom to experiment...
[03:37] <Pine> wctaiwan we need to retain editors, not poison them
[03:37] <matthewrbowker> wctaiwan: that's ... dark
[03:37] <wctaiwan> matthewrbowker: It's "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park" by [[Tom Lehrer]]
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[03:38] <matthewrbowker> wctaiwan: Interesting ...
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[03:41] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: I got a toolserver acc :D
[03:41] <wctaiwan> congratulations
[03:41] <barts1a> great... what does it do?
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[03:41] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: Noooooooo...
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[03:41] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: That mean you got your bot working?
[03:42] <wctaiwan> it was working a few days back
[03:42] <wctaiwan> I saw it at work :P
[03:42] <matthewrbowker> Yay
[03:42] <SigmaWP> :D
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[03:43] <SigmaWP> :(
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[03:44] <Betacommand> Pine: arbcom has no control over the toolserver
[03:44] <Pine> barts1a, check if Sigma replaced all your watchlist icons with Soviet flags.
[03:44] <matthewrbowker> Betacommand: They can block the bots :P
[03:44] <barts1a> Pine: no such misfortune
[03:45] <Betacommand> matthewrbowker: But I can still use the database..........
[03:45] <barts1a> and WP:BEANS
[03:45] <matthewrbowker> True...
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[03:45] <Betacommand> select * from user where user_name = 'matthewrbowker';
[03:45] <wctaiwan> drop user;
[03:45] <SigmaWP> ah, never bothered to learn sql
[03:46] <wctaiwan> drop table user; ***
[03:46] <Betacommand> wctaiwan: dont want to drop all users
[03:46] <wctaiwan> but I do :P
[03:46] <SigmaWP> drop user where?
[03:46] <SigmaWP> Off the edge of a cliff? :P
[03:46] <wctaiwan> it'd take the current database if you don't specify, SigmaWP
[03:46] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: In SQL-talk, drop == delete
[03:46] <wctaiwan> ^
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[03:47] <wctaiwan> http://www.sqlite.org/lang_droptable.html
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[03:47] <matthewrbowker> *whale
[03:47] <wctaiwan> a wale?
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[03:47] <SigmaWP> :O
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[03:48] <barts1a> I win
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[03:48] <Betacommand> I win
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[03:48] <barts1a> I think now
[03:48] <barts1a> *not
[03:49] <Betacommand> barts1a: too late
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[03:53] <matthewrbowker> d'aww
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[03:56] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: How do you think [[Portal:Computer_programming]] is doing?
[03:56] <wctaiwan> I don't really look at Portal: at all.
[03:56] <wctaiwan> it's also hideous and unreadable :/
[03:56] <SigmaWP> :(
[03:56] <wctaiwan> I assume you want honest opinions.
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[03:57] <SigmaWP> OK
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[03:57] <SigmaWP> Trying to get it to FP
[03:57] <wctaiwan> um
[03:57] <wctaiwan> no, not saying you should remove it
[03:57] <wctaiwan> but blue links on black backgrounds?
[03:57] <wctaiwan> :?
[03:57] <wctaiwan> :/
[03:57] <SigmaWP> Gray goes with everything
[03:57] <matthewrbowker> Dude, blue on black is terrible :(
[03:58] <SigmaWP> matthewrbowker: Should I wrap all the links in a span?
[03:58] <wctaiwan> You can't change link styles without directly changing the stylesheet anyway.
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[03:58] <wctaiwan> just... maintain the wikipedia look
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[03:59] <SigmaWP> Hm... if only divs took !important
[03:59] <wctaiwan> a little customisation à la main page is fine, but don't try to create an HTML world of your own.
[03:59] <foks> Eww, no, go with a grey background
[03:59] <foks> a light grey
[03:59] <matthewrbowker> ^
[03:59] <wctaiwan> foks: what's wrong with white?
[03:59] <matthewrbowker> Yeah, that's pretty bad
[03:59] <matthewrbowker> wctaiwan: Portals want their own feel ... unfortunatly
[03:59] <wctaiwan> :|
[04:00] <wctaiwan> at least don't make it ugly
[04:00] <foks> White isn't really portally
[04:00] <wctaiwan> also, that logo you have for Apple Inc. isn't current, and I'm not sure MS still uses the one you chose.
[04:00] <wctaiwan> "portally"
[04:00] <wctaiwan> OK :P
[04:00] <foks> [[Portal:English football]] is one I got to FPo years ago
[04:00] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: I didn't choose that
[04:01] <foks> Hell, the Microsoft portal looks nice
[04:01] <SigmaWP> foks: Fortunately, my userpage has many shades of gray :D
[04:01] <wctaiwan> It looks inoffensive.
[04:01] <wctaiwan> your face is many shades of grey.
[04:02] <foks> My English football one is red
[04:02] <foks> but like, red with light red
[04:03] <matthewrbowker> foks: That doesn't look bad
[04:03] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: At least make the links grey
[04:03] <foks> you can't do that
[04:03] <SigmaWP> Right
[04:03] <matthewrbowker> ?? It's disabled in stylesheets?
[04:03] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/imagegallery/logos/logoguidelines.mspx look at their logos. No slanted M on blue there.
[04:04] <wctaiwan> matthewrbowker: you can't change stylesheets.
[04:04] <wctaiwan> (except your own)
[04:04] <matthewrbowker> ah
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[04:04] <foks> There really is no need to change the link colour
[04:04] <SigmaWP> Someone put {{Boxheader|border=#7878790|titlebackground=#bbb|titleforeground=#000|title{{{title|Foobar}}}|border=lightgray|background=#edf1f1|foreground=black}} in a sandbox
[04:04] <foks> just make the background paler
[04:04] <wctaiwan> you cannot set selectors (? can't remember the right term) without stylesheets since style="" only affects the style of an element, not an element in a certain state.
[04:04] <SigmaWP> foks: ^
[04:04] <foks> why don't you
[04:04] <SigmaWP> because you can't see what is on my preview screen
[04:05] <wctaiwan> also, design is making something readable and pleasant to look at.
[04:05] <wctaiwan> the wow factor really doesn't matter at all on wikipedia :/
[04:05] <foks> wctaiwan, does with portals :(
[04:05] <SigmaWP> Mhmm
[04:06] <SigmaWP> It's one of the featured portal criteria
[04:06] <wctaiwan> *sigh*
[04:06] <foks> speaking of I should probably update my FPo
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[04:06] <foks> wctaiwan, sorry
[04:06] <wctaiwan> use light-* colours then, please.
[04:06] <SigmaWP> foks: After you help me
[04:06] <SigmaWP> OK
[04:06] <wctaiwan> foks: nothing to be sorry about :P
[04:06] <SigmaWP> How about gray?
[04:06] <wctaiwan> sure.
[04:06] <wctaiwan> just put readability above distinctiveness
[04:06] <matthewrbowker> ^
[04:06] <wctaiwan> and _please_ don't use #00FF00 on #000000 :P
[04:07] <wctaiwan> (for that matrix look)
[04:07] <SigmaWP> >_>
[04:07] <foks> lmao
[04:07] <foks> text: #000000
[04:07] <matthewrbowker> Ew ew ew ew ew :(
[04:07] <wctaiwan> example: http://textfiles.com/
[04:07] <foks> Background: #DDDDDD
[04:07] <foks> There.
[04:07] <foks> Or perhaps E3E3E3
[04:07] <Aranda56> one of the worst new years eve ever, i need to safe up money really bad I didn't go anywhere other than my boring ass nightclub job, some bar, and another nightclub job in which i got the hookup though everyone i knew was in vip and I couldn't get a band so i was mostly alone :'(
[04:07] <foks> Or maybe you like green!
[04:07] <wctaiwan> your preciseness is interesting, foks :P
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[04:08] <foks> And maybe go with an E1E1FE
[04:08] <SigmaWP> ok
[04:08] <foks> I like colours.
[04:08] <foks> :3
[04:08] <foks> Sorry.
[04:08] <foks> * E1FEE1
[04:08] <SigmaWP> foks: Wait, which background? titlebox or main box?
[04:08] <wctaiwan> I'm sort of proud I can sort of picture colours based on their hex codes :P
[04:08] <foks> Main box
[04:08] <wctaiwan> that one you just named is a really, really pale green
[04:08] <foks> For the titles, white text on ... maybe 339733
[04:09] <Aranda56> and i was embarrassed to go with friends to other places because I don't want to be seen with having absolutely no money in my pockets, and in my bank accounts very depressing
[04:09] <foks> Maybe a bit stronger green
[04:09] <Aranda56> :(
[04:09] <foks> 33B133
[04:10] <SigmaWP> Nice
[04:10] <wctaiwan> (oh also, in general, I find that if you're going to have a large patch of the same colour, make it dull: either dark or light, don't go for liveliness)
[04:10] <foks> mhm
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[04:10] <wctaiwan> (this is in contrast with text where you can use brighter colours without making it in-your-face)
[04:10] <foks> http://www.color-hex.com/color/33b133 <- this site is nice
[04:10] <wctaiwan> amateur web dev since I was a sixth grader :P
[04:11] <foks> Shows you colours that go well
[04:11] <SigmaWP> Ooh
[04:11] <wctaiwan> http://kuler.adobe.com/
[04:12] <SigmaWP> foks: And the main text is black, right?
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[04:12] <foks> Almost always the best idea is black
[04:12] <foks> Unless of course your background is too dark
[04:12] <foks> Then white
[04:13] <SigmaWP> Very nice
[04:13] <foks> Remember to make it accessible to those with colour blindness
[04:13] <foks> and/or those with bad sight
[04:13] <Aranda56> but I did see Lil Wayne DJing :p
[04:13] <Aranda56> color?
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[04:14] <foks> lmao
[04:14] <foks> Lil Wayne.
[04:14] <foks> I don't even remember what he looks like.
[04:14] <Aranda56> yea Lil Wayne being a DJ :p
[04:15] <Aranda56> foks he had a few top 10 hits last year :p
[04:15] <foks> In the States I reckon
[04:15] <foks> no sign of him in the UK
[04:15] <foks> unless he worked with usher or something (again)
[04:16] <Aranda56> foks he works with everyone and their mothers in the states :p
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[04:17] <foks> lmao
[04:19] <matthewrbowker> It's true
[04:19] <Aranda56> his last album reached top 10 in UK and Australia so
[04:20] <Aranda56> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil_Wayne_discography {{toolong}}
[04:20] <Aranda56> it has probably over 200 or so songs listed
[04:21] <matthewrbowker> {{split}} ?
[04:23] <wctaiwan> foks: your tumblr blog didn't last did it? :(
[04:24] <foks> ?
[04:24] <matthewrbowker> O.o Foks has a thumblr?
[04:24] <foks> I have four
[04:24] <foks> :D
[04:24] <wctaiwan> I thought you started a generic "blog"
[04:24] <foks> wctaiwan, oh, right
[04:24] <foks> no, I gave up.
[04:24] <foks> :D
[04:24] <foks> It's now a splash page.
[04:24] <wctaiwan> yes, thus my comment :P
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[04:25] <wctaiwan> wonder if they'd let you keep that if they find out
[04:25] <foks> ahh.
[04:25] <Aranda56> foks 168 charted singles by lil wayne, not including all these songs below, probably 400 or so appearances :/
[04:25] <foks> Uh?
[04:25] <wctaiwan> nice design though, I tried the colour-on-hover idea a few years back but not nearly as well done as yours.
[04:25] <foks> wctaiwan, oh, is that like illegal D:
[04:25] <foks> :P
[04:25] <foks> Thank you!
[04:25] <foks> Aranda56, lmao
[04:25] <foks> busy man
[04:26] <wctaiwan> It's probably not illegal but I don't know whether tumblr wants people to use them as a general web host.
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[04:26] <foks> wctaiwan, oh, I guess not.
[04:27] <foks> I meant "illegal" as in against TOS
[04:27] <foks> not against the law
[04:27] <foks> :P
[04:27] <wctaiwan> figured :P never read their TOS properly really >.>
[04:27] <Ryulong> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Giraffa_camelopardalis_angolensis_%28mating%29.jpg
[04:27] <Ryulong> lovely
[04:27] <SigmaWP> Commons has everything
[04:27] <foks> Why am I looking at giraffes fucking?
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[04:28] <foks> lol
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[04:31] <wctaiwan> foks: did you have flickr in mind when you made your logo?
[04:31] <wctaiwan> or is it subconscious
[04:32] <foks> flickr?
[04:32] <foks> Oh, the JF thing
[04:32] <foks> No, I didn't
[04:33] <foks> I think it's just the colours that look like it.
[04:33] <wctaiwan> so it's subconscious (flickr is the only company I know that uses the two colours like that)
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[04:34] <Pine> Happy new year, Phil
[04:35] <Sp33dyphil> Happy New Year to you to, Pine
[04:35] <Sp33dyphil> NY resolution?
[04:35] <Aranda56> happy new year to everyone :D
[04:36] <Sp33dyphil> 2012 is a year of scaling back, for me it seems
[04:36] <Pine> I resolve to give more barnstars this year.
[04:36] <Sp33dyphil> yay!
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[04:37] <Sp33dyphil> looks like my talk page banner works!
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[04:37] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP: are you still working on the portal?
[04:37] <Sp33dyphil> so fucking boring
[04:38] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP still on?
[04:38] <SigmaWP> Yep
[04:38] <SigmaWP> Yep
[04:38] <wctaiwan> consider the colour difference between different displays
[04:38] <wctaiwan> the light green looks a bit too dark (hospital coat colour :P) and the dark green a bit too light on my end
[04:38] <wctaiwan> though I highly suspect it's due to display variation, not by design
[04:39] <Aranda56> zzzz time
[04:39] <wctaiwan> nn
[04:39] <Aranda56> night
[04:39] <SigmaWP> hm
[04:39] <SigmaWP> Aranda56: Bye
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[04:39] <Pine> wctaiwan are you done with poisoning things now? ;)
[04:39] <Sp33dyphil> why green? I don't associate programming with green :P
[04:39] <wctaiwan> always ready for more, why?
[04:39] <wctaiwan> Sp33dyphil: old computer terminals
[04:40] <Sp33dyphil> Pine: you do GAN reviews?
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[04:41] <Sp33dyphil> wctaiwan : ^
[04:41] <wctaiwan> No.
[04:41] <Pine> Phil, barely
[04:41] <Pine> why?
[04:41] <Sp33dyphil> [[Russian submarine K-114 Tula]]
[04:41] <Sp33dyphil> created 3 days ago
[04:42] <SigmaWP> He wants the world record
[04:42] <Sp33dyphil> Pine: what do you think?
[04:42] <Sp33dyphil> want to pile up WikiCUp points
[04:43] <SigmaWP> That too
[04:43] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Your GAs are no match for my featured portals
[04:43] <Pine> Phil that looks good at first glance
[04:43] <Pine> I'm a bit involved in FPCs right now
[04:43] <wctaiwan> (why couldn't the line drawing be made smaller and linked instead of collapsed?)
[04:43] <Sp33dyphil> Pine: don't ask why it's so short
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[04:44] <Pine> Phil I didn't
[04:44] <Sp33dyphil> yeah I know
[04:44] <wctaiwan> collapsing anything that isn't a nav template just feels odd.
[04:44] <SigmaWP> I can't find any DYKs about computer programming
[04:45] <Sp33dyphil> hahahaha :P
[04:45] <SigmaWP> So now I'm digging up everything that's tangentially related to computers in general :D
[04:45] <Sp33dyphil> hehehehe
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[04:47] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP: DYK C designed to allow low-level access to system resources while maintaining code portability across different platforms?
[04:47] <wctaiwan> C was designed*
[04:47] <SigmaWP> Was that in DYK?
[04:47] <wctaiwan> IDK :P
[04:48] <wctaiwan> though I found that pretty interesting when I first heard about it
[04:49] <SigmaWP> Where do I link "platforms"?
[04:49] <wctaiwan> that isn't a DYK, just to be clear.
[04:49] <wctaiwan> I just wrote that on the spot.
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[04:49] <SigmaWP> Oh
[04:50] <SigmaWP> Oh well, nobody's going to look
[04:50] <wctaiwan> (though the fact does come from [[C (programming language]])
[04:50] <wctaiwan> ... some rigour there.
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[04:50] <SigmaWP> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Computer_programming/Did_you_know/4
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[04:52] <wctaiwan> I'm off, good luck SigmaWP
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[04:53] <SigmaWP> Bye
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[05:00] <FoeNyx> happy new year Hawaii
[05:08] <SigmaWP> Bye
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[05:15] <darkaway> wtf happened here
[05:15] <darkaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD25_deficiency
[05:15] <darkaway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD25_de%EF%AC%81ciency
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[05:16] <darkfalls> same freakin article ..
[05:17] <foks> oh, haha
[05:17] <foks> The other one uses the "fi" thing
[05:17] <foks> ԨŠ<- that
[05:17] <LauraHale> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kevin_O%27Sullivan_(skier)&diff=468910865&oldid=468910556  <-- I love tags like that.
[05:19] <foks> This Abijhay chap is rather stubborn too
[05:21] <darkfalls> foks: Dude, you deleted the wrong one.
[05:21] <darkfalls> lol.
[05:21] <foks> whut
[05:22] <foks> No I never!
[05:22] <darkfalls> wait fml.
[05:22] <foks> :(
[05:22] <darkfalls> what
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[05:22] <darkfalls> wtf.
[05:22] <foks> u such liar.
[05:22] <foks> :3
[05:22] <foks> Definitely got the right one. Had to check.
[05:22] <foks> All that Thrice must kill brain cells!
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[05:25] <foks> onoez ;c
[05:25] <darkfalls> foks: example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y
[05:27] <foks> lolz!
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[05:39] <Sp33dyphil> can someone explain why there was a decrease in population in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Population_of_former_USSR.PNG ?
[05:41] <foks> emigration?
[05:41] <foks> half the former USSR lives in the UK it seems :p
[05:41] <gde33> Sp33dyphil: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/988723.stm
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[05:42] <gde33> Drug use, alcoholism and sexually transmitted diseases
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[05:59] <Lubaf> Maternity wards are likes Reverse Thunderdomes: Two people enter, three people leave!
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 12[06:01] -mrmist- [Global Notice] - With this hour we welcome the New Year for American Samoa- Pago Pago, Niue (Alofi), Midway Islands, Jarvis Isl., Kingman Reef and Palmyra Atoll and that brings most of the populated world into 2012.  I hope everyone enjoys a Happy New Year and thank you all for flying freenode!
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[06:01] <Sp33dyphil> yay!
[06:01] <CRRaysHead90> flying freenode HA!
[06:01] <Sp33dyphil> now everyone's on this side of 2011/2012
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[06:02] <Lubaf> I'm not.
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[06:02] <Lubaf> I'm still in 2010.
[06:02] <CRRaysHead90> lolz
[06:03] <Sp33dyphil> awww
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[06:03] <Sp33dyphil> *the
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[07:02] <lapompo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes <-- No mention of what company makes them...
[07:02] <lapompo> As in, no package.
[07:02] <Lubaf> Happy 1202, everybody!
[07:02] <Lubaf> How's everybody enjoying the middle ages?
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[07:03] <lapompo> Stop wishing everyone a happy new year. It's not happy for me. It's an insult.
[07:03] <wctaiwan> "The product was introduced by McVitie and Price in 1927"
[07:03] <wctaiwan> wouldn't that be enough?
[07:03] <lapompo> Never heard of that company, and I've seen Jaffa Cakes by various companies.
[07:04] <wctaiwan> (also, I found the cake-biscuit dispute hilarious)
[07:04] <wctaiwan> I'd assume it's some sort of a (generic?) trademark and they're the original maker.
[07:04] <lapompo> How can there be a generic trademark?
[07:04] <wctaiwan> if you can find a source on that many manufacturers make them, feel free to add it.
[07:05] <wctaiwan> "A generic trademark, also known as a genericized trademark or proprietary eponym, is a trademark or brand name that has become the colloquial or generic description for, or synonymous with, a general class of product or service, rather than as an indicator of source or affiliation ("secondary meaning") as intended by the trademark's holder."
[07:05] <wctaiwan> in short, something used to be a trademark but is now generic
[07:05] <lapompo> It's weird how being too popular is bad.
[07:05] <wctaiwan> e.g. Kleenex and Xerox in the US
[07:05] <lapompo> Are you saying that Kleenex has lost the right to the name?
[07:05] <wctaiwan> I think so.
[07:06] <lapompo> Just because idiots call any towel that?
[07:06] <lapompo> That's insane.
[07:06] <wctaiwan> oh wait, no, they still have rights to it.
[07:06] <lapompo> Americans seem to speak in trademarks.
[07:06] <lapompo> More often than the real words.
[07:07] <lapompo> I need a Band-Aid ASAP, and get me some Kleenex and a few glasses of Kool-Aid!
[07:07] <lapompo> Later, we'll have Jell-O and Oreos!
[07:07] <lapompo> :/
[07:08] <wctaiwan> It's not just the americans, I'd think.
[07:09] <wctaiwan> (looks like neither Kleenex or Xerox has actually ceased being trademarks. Better examples: aspirin, thermos, zipper)
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[07:14] <wctaiwan> Damn you, now I want to try a Jaffa Cake :(
[07:15] <lapompo> Hmm...
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[07:15] <lapompo> Thermos...
[07:15] <lapompo> Those you mentioned sound generic and natural.
[07:15] <wctaiwan> they used to be trademarks.
[07:16] <wctaiwan> I don't even know how to describe the latter two in a couple of words without invoking the names.
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[08:29] <TParis> Good morning gents
[08:30] <TParis> Do we add {{blp}} to an article about a group of people?
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[08:38] <Harmonia_Amanda> happy new year !
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[08:39] <Lubaf> "I had the invitees sign a NDA contrac" "A non-disclosure agreement for a *wedding*?" "No, a No Displays of Affection contract."
[08:40] <Lubaf> Harmonia_Amanda: Happy 2010!
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[08:40] <Harmonia_Amanda> :)
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[08:40] <Lubaf> TParis: You mean the years don't go backward?
[08:41] <TParis> Only if you've got a Delorean and your Doc Brown
[08:41] <TParis> you're*
[08:42] <Harmonia_Amanda> can I ask for help ? I am a french wikipedian. I had interviewed Glen Cook, but I am not able to re-write what he said. Could you help me ?
[08:42] <Harmonia_Amanda> sorry for my bad english
[08:42] <Lubaf> How do you mean "re-write"?
[08:42] <TParis> Harmonia_Amanda: On the English Wikipedia, we don't allow interviews by Wikipedians to be used as sources in articles.
[08:42] <Lubaf> Translate, or rephrase?
[08:43] <Lubaf> And, what TParis said.
[08:43] <Harmonia_Amanda> TBloemink: I know it is for the french wikinews
[08:43] <Harmonia_Amanda> not for wikipedia
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[08:43] <Lubaf> Translate? Try on #wikipedia-fr, presumably.
[08:43] <Harmonia_Amanda> http://fr.wikinews.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Harmonia_Amanda
[08:44] <Harmonia_Amanda> Lubaf: no, i miss words
[08:44] <Harmonia_Amanda> http://lautremonde.radio.free.fr/interview/Conf-Presse-GlenCOOK-Utopiales2011.mp3
[08:45] <Harmonia_Amanda> sorry, I speak very bad :s
[08:45] <Harmonia_Amanda> do you understand ?
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[08:46] <Harmonia_Amanda> I miss passages in the interview, because I do not understand what he says
[08:46] <TParis> Amanda: How long is the conversation?
[08:47] <Harmonia_Amanda> Can you help me to retranscribe?
[08:47] <Harmonia_Amanda> TParis: one hour
[08:47] <TParis> Ouch
[08:48] <Harmonia_Amanda> but we have write a lot
[08:48] <TParis> Yeah, I just dont have an hour to work on this is all.
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[08:48] <Harmonia_Amanda> It is just necessary to complete
[08:48] <Harmonia_Amanda> maybe another day ?
[08:48] <TParis> If it was like 15-20 minutes I could've done that.
[08:48] <TParis> Well you could try asking in #wikipedia-en-help
[08:49] <Harmonia_Amanda> ok
[08:49] <Harmonia_Amanda> thanks
[08:49] <TParis> Amanda: They might say that it's only for the English Wikipedia though and not Wikinews.
[08:50] <Harmonia_Amanda> :s
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[08:50] <Harmonia_Amanda> I know, but, no one help me for wikinews :s
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[08:51] <TBloemink> hmm, I was pinged
[08:52] <TParis> I think it was a mistake
[08:52] <TParis> Amanda: You could also try #wikinews
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[08:53] <Harmonia_Amanda> thank you
[08:54] <TParis> np
[08:54] <foomandoonian> Does anyone know why active Wikipedians plateaued in 2007 so suddenly? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ActiveWikipedians.PNG
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Session Start: Sun Jan 01 23:09:26 2012
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
 03[23:09] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
 03[23:09] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/ | Status: Up (http://status.wikimedia.org/) | Channel guidelines: http://bit.ly/WP-IRC | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: http://bit.ly/IRCcloaks '
 03[23:09] * Set by Fluffernutter!~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on Fri Dec 23 22:26:49
[23:09] #wikipedia-en url is http://en.wikipedia.org/
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[23:13] <Pilif12p> sonia, nooooo that was the kerosene not water
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[23:14] <Peter-C> D:
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[23:14] <sonia> o_O
 06[23:14] * sonia hides
[23:14] <Pilif12p> Oh well.
[23:14] <Ironholds> this channel is weird
[23:15] <sonia> Ironholds: you can't say Peter-C being doused in kerosene is necessarily a bad thing
[23:15] <Peter-C> :
[23:15] <Peter-C> :(
[23:15] <Ironholds> sonia: it's an AWFUL thing!
[23:15] <Pilif12p> sonia, "FOR SCIENCE!"
[23:15] <Ironholds> jesus, woman, have you no soul?
[23:15] <Ironholds> no spirit? no appreciation of the sanctity of human life?
[23:15] <Pilif12p> Ironholds, she has a soil, i don't think she's a ginger.
[23:15] <Ironholds> no awareness of how incredibly goddamn expensive kerosene is these days? He's not worth the expense - just shoot him and be done with it.
[23:15] <Pilif12p> soul too
[23:16] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: there are non-gingers who also lack souls
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 08[23:16] * derp hugs the sexy drinker that is Ironholds.
[23:16] <Ironholds> derp: I'm not sexy. Still, 1/2 aint bad
 08[23:17] <derp> you're sexy and you know it.
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[23:18] <Ironholds> other than the ex, no woman has lasted for more than 3 weeks in my company
 08[23:18] <derp> ie Fluffernutter?
[23:18] <Ironholds> this kinda implies that my sexiness is not sufficient to make up for the gaping, sucking wound on reality between my ears
[23:18] <Ironholds> no, the woman I broke up with on new years eve ;p
[23:18] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter lasted two weeks
 08[23:19] <derp> ouch, cheap :P
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[23:20] <Fluffernutter> wait what?
[23:20] <Fluffernutter> you broke up with her?
[23:20] <Ironholds> of course not!
[23:20] <Ironholds> she broke up with me
[23:20] <Fluffernutter> that's...unfortunate. I'm sorry to hear it :/
[23:20] <Ironholds> oh, it's no problem, it was mutual
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[23:20] <Ironholds> we had a little talk, and she told me I was getting fucking dumped
 08[23:20] <derp> did you leave her preggers?
[23:20] <Ironholds> see? Mutual.
[23:21] <sonia> derp, what
[23:21] <Ironholds> derp: ...no.
 08[23:21] <derp> sonia is preggers.
[23:21] <Peter-C> :O
[23:21] <Ironholds> derp: she's not BIG enough to be pregnant
[23:21] <sonia> ...I hope not.
[23:21] <Ironholds> the only way sonia could become pregnant is if she developed a fucking TARDIS for a womb
[23:21] <sonia> hah.
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[23:21] <Ironholds> otherwise it'd hit month six or seven and it'd be like a reenaction of the chestburster scene from Alien.
[23:22] <Peter-C> everyone touch sonia's belly
[23:22] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter: eh, it's alright. I kinda asked for it by being me.
[23:22] <sonia> Ironholds: my mother is four-five, and somehow she had me
[23:22] <Ironholds> Peter-C: I have...a PROPHECY
[23:22] <Ironholds> the prophecy...the VISION...it says..
[23:22] <Peter-C> Oh lawd
[23:22] <Ironholds> that as soon as you're old enough that you can't hide behind "he's 15 and really immature", you are going on a register somewhere.
[23:23] <Peter-C> *16
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[23:23] <Ironholds> you're 16? fucking HELL.
[23:23] <Ironholds> humanity is doomed. that's it. game over. do not pass go again, do not correct 200 dollars, Peter-C has taken those 200 dollars and at them and then posted pictures of the poo-dollars on flickr.
[23:23] <Ironholds> *collect
[23:23] <Ironholds> *ate
[23:23] <Ironholds> fuck you, 4:23 am
[23:24] <harej> <4:23 am> hey man fuck you
[23:24] <Ironholds> dude, 4:23 should fucking love me
[23:24] <Ironholds> I'm the only person keeping him company
 06[23:24] * sonia is hugged protectively
[23:24] <Peter-C> O_o
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[23:25] <sonia> ...
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 08[23:27] * derp burns Peter-C's learner permit.
[23:27] <Guerillero> Permits suck
[23:27] <Peter-C> D:
[23:28] <Guerillero> I was so happy when I got my Cinderella license
[23:29] <Guerillero> how many learner hours do you need Peter-C
[23:30] <Ironholds> Guerillero: cinderwah?
[23:30] <Ironholds> lemme guess; a license you can't use after midnight? :P
[23:30] <Guerillero> yep
[23:30] <Guerillero> under 18s have that license in most states
[23:31] <Ironholds> I didn't when I was under 18.
[23:32] <Guerillero> in my state (pennsylvania) it was permit at 16
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[23:32] <Guerillero> then you could take your test at 16.5 at the earliest
[23:33] <Pilif12p> other states are crazy
[23:33] <Pilif12p> you can get your permit in iowa when you're 14
[23:33] <Pilif12p> and license when you're 16
[23:33] <Pilif12p> full license 17
[23:34] <Guerillero> and if you had no citations, tickets, or crashes you can get your full license after a year
[23:34] <Guerillero> with parental permission
[23:34] <Guerillero> 16 is a good age for permits
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[23:36] <Peter-C> http://jess3.com/the-state-of-wikipedia/
[23:36] <Peter-C> ^That video is a GREAT description of what Wikipedia is, why don't we showboat it more?
[23:36] <gde33> Peter-C: the world is divided in wikipedians and unwikipedians
[23:37] <Peter-C> O_o
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[23:40] <PiRSquared17> Is fetchcomms here?
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[23:56] <Gfoley4> Guest92713: no
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[23:57] <PiRSquared17> ok
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Sunday, December 29, 2019

Short Post: Chris Chappell Fights Back From the Grave!

If you have been reading this blog for a while, you will remember China Uncensored and it's now-obsolete Colbert Report-era knockoff Chris Chappell. Well, like with many video shows, China Uncensored now has a podcast addition which they call China Unscripted.

http://chinaunscripted.libsyn.com/50-how-to-overthrow-tyranny-jhanisse-vaca-daza

Above: Chris, his sassy editor Shelly Zhang, and another dude talk to Bolivian Kent State alumna Jhanisse Vaca-Daza on the overthrow of Evo Morales, whom she and the China Uncensored/China Unscripted consider a dictator. The Cold War style anti-Communism of the show is an extension of how Chris and his crew are involved in the Falun Gong/Falun Dafa and work around the group's New Tang Dynasty satellite TV channel - Li Hongzhi, the founder of the religion, decided that fighting the Chinese Communist Party through John Birch Society paranoia was the way to go once the Party and the PRC government began cracking down on chi gung-style folk religions/self-improvement groups in the 1990s. This is why major metropolitan areas are flooded with Falum Gong's Epoch Times "news"paper.

http://chinaunscripted.libsyn.com/51-how-china-spies-on-us-universities-paul-mooney-china-unscripted-podcast

The trio talking to Paul Mooney (not that one) a freelance journalist; he spoke on the endless spying on mainland Chinese by flunkies of the Red Chinese government, most of whom are students themselves.




Where we stole the post title from, the horrendous "Brucesploitation" gung fu film Bruce Lee Fights Back From the Grave (1976) which wasn't even a fake Bruce Lee movie before the dubbers and the American releasing company got to it - it's a South Korean taekwando martial arts film!


Bonus dated slickness, a half-hour loop of "Crockett's Theme" from the Miami Vice TV show soundtrack: