Wednesday, February 26, 2020

Kinda-Wikipedia: James Randi and the Trail of Wreckage Behind Him

This began as a series of emails between myself and Eric Barbour on Randall James Zwinge (James Randi) this summer. Pretty much I am writing about James Randi because he is 91 years old at time of posting, and I fear that if he were to die in the next six months that a "canonization" would begin from the remains of the James Randi Educational Foundation, the people at CSI(COP) who are still fans, his former JREF message board (now run by "International Skeptics" maybe-group), and various others. Had he died a decade ago, the resistance, fanboy rage, and other irrationalities would have made talking about Randi's darker aspects online nearly impossible. As it is, his Wikipedia BLP (biography) has people watching it. One of my sources for this article was Tim Cridland's 2016 review of Randi's biographic documentary An Honest Liar (2014) for which Cridland set up a one-shot blog. Tim Cridland has a background both in investigative reporting through his unfortunately-defunct 'zine Off the Deep End and in the sort of stage performance James Randi started out in - Cridland is also "Zamora the Torture King" a sideshow human blockhead. Randi started out as "Randall the Telepath", but then we are getting ahead of ourselves.

Randi up to 1970

Randall James Zwinge was born in Toronto, Canada on August 7, 1928. He dropped out of Canadian high school at the age of 17, and started doing magic for a travelling carnival - he was into magic since childhood when he had seen Henry Blackstone, Sr. perform, and doing card tricks passed the time when he was in a cast after a childhood bicycle accident. For a lot of his early career (1946 onward) he seemed to orbit around Toronto doing both the aforementioned stage mentalist act ("Randall the Telepath"), doing escapism magic (he liked escaping from straightjackets while hanging upside-down in the air - he later mocked that bit in a cameo on Happy Days in 1978) and being involved with the Toronto Globe and Mail's predecessor Midnight, which was a nightlife publication in the 1950s. Cridland mentions this publication in his 2013 interview with Radio Misterioso (Greg Bishop) on the predecessor article to the movie review, a 2012 The Anomalist magazine article titled "The Real James Randi." What Cridland discovered is that Randi is rather loose with recounting his own past - before he was a high school dropout he allegedly destroyed a Spiritualist church through his understanding of "cold reading" as a teenager. But had he? Was there such a church or group? Cridland in his interview says he could not find any scrap of proof that the incident occurred.

The "Randall the Telepath" act had that same problem - according to Cridland he advertised himself as an actual telepath, not a stage act. He also made predictions or psychic "detective work" for money as late as the age of 26:

.....In the early days Randi represented himself to the public and to the media as a genuine mind reader. In later interviews and accounts he would always claim he did this only briefly, but the historical record shows that this went on from his teens until at least the age of 26. The film shows a very public prediction that Randi, then known as Randall Zwinge, made for a Toronto newspaper. In the film Randi says the prediction, which seemingly foretells the outcome of the World Series, happened when he was 21.
 In a self-recorded interview, Randi would say that he was always able to talk his way out if a reporter or interviewer would bring past claims of being psychic. Over the years Randi has a tale of a man from Florida who came to visit him believing he had genuine psychic powers and offered him money to give him information. In one version, told in Randi's book Conjuring [1992], he wants to know the outcome of horses races. Randi then elaborates on the moral dilemma this caused him and states that that was one of the reasons he dropped the whole phony psychic routine. In AHL, Randi's friend, magician Penn Jillette, talks of this time in Randi's life and says that is commendable that “...he backed away from it." 
 The problem is that Randi has said he backed away, but the record shows he went back to it again and again. Randi's account in Conjuring refers to the World Series prediction and states that he was "eighteen years old" when this occurred. There are other accounts of similar predictions from different years. Both my article and AHL show that Randi's claims of being psychic went on for at least eight years beyond his supposed encounter with the unnamed man from Florida. Randi's reasons for dropping the psychic routine are much more likely related to his success as a stage magician and escape artist than a moral dilemma.
 Although Randi and his associates demand a high criteria for accuracy in the people and claims they scrutinize, Randi gets away with slippery story telling.....

And this isn't even mentioning his time doing horoscopes as "Zo-ran" in Midnight - today he would say "it was an experiment in gullibility", back then he was doing it for a paycheck.

By the early 1960s Randi was in New York City, doing regular stage magic

(post under construction)

Monday, February 17, 2020

Wikipedia IRC on St. Valentine's Day 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 12:35:04 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
 03[12:35] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
 03[12:35] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at | If you need a channel operator, say !op followed by your request, or join #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | For urgent assistance or help, type !admin followed by your request. | IRC community meeting on Feb. 24: '
 03[12:35] * Set by Rjd0060!~Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060 on Thu Feb 11 15:44:00
[12:35] #wikipedia-en url is
[12:35] <[Soap]> hmm
[12:35] <Jyothis>èrion_is_a_pèdo
[12:35] <[Soap]> Acroterion just blocked a few people
[12:35] <Jyothis> ok
[12:35] <[Soap]> I betcha those are just socks of the same guy
[12:35] <[Soap]> he used {[softerblock}}
[12:35] <Jyothis>èrion_fux_chickens
[12:36] <[Soap]> wow
[12:36] <[Soap]> that guy's busy
[12:36] <Qcoder00> Jythois:??
[12:36] <Jyothis>èrion_rapès_babies
[12:36] <Jyothis> yes Qcoder00
[12:36] <Qcoder00> Erm...
[12:36] <Qcoder00> If it urgent use the ping noted in the channel topic
[12:36] <Jyothis>èrion kicked in the mouth
[12:37] <Jyothis> I think I did?
[12:37] <Qcoder00> Any chanops?
[12:37] <Jyothis> havent seen any
[12:37] <Ottava> Rjd0060 was about
[12:38] <Prodego> what?
[12:38] <[Soap]> I put those on UAA
[12:38] <Qcoder00> Jyothis: Posting a lot of links maybe in good faith, but given the antics of some trolls some people here are jumpy
[12:38] <TenPoundHammer> Hmm.
[12:38] <[Soap]> someone'll see them soon
[12:38] <TenPoundHammer> That's weird.
[12:39] <Qcoder00> Jyothis: Usally it's better to post stuff like that on WP:AIV or WP:ANI
[12:39] <Prodego> Qcoder00: did you need something?
[12:39] <Qcoder00> Prodego: False alarm
[12:39] <Ottava> Prodego - he wanted to tell you how amazing you are
[12:39] <Qcoder00> "Move along - Nothing to see!"
[12:39] <Prodego> ah, yes, that must be it Ottava
[12:39] <Ottava> : )
[12:39] <Qcoder00> Prodego: Sorry
[12:40] <Jyothis> Ok, I was just trying to report whatever I saw in my bot log. Sorry if that was a problem
[12:40] <Qcoder00> Jysothis: OK...
[12:40] <Qcoder00> *Jyothis: OK
[12:40] <Qcoder00> Sorry
[12:41] <[Soap]> Qcoder I think youre over-reacting a bit.  It's not disruptive to post links to vandalism
 06[12:41] * Jyothis points Qcoder00 to #swmtbot
[12:42] <Qcoder00> Jyothis: I only deal with images, others deal with the da vandals ...
 06[12:43] * Jyothis works with CVN and SWMT
[12:43] <[Soap]> theyre all blocked now
[12:43] <Jyothis> Thanks [Soap] :)
 08[12:44] * derp huggles [Soap] tightly.
[12:44] <Jyothis> derp, Soap can slip away ;)
[12:45] <TenPoundHammer> sweet
[12:45] <TenPoundHammer> Apparently Catholics pay better when it  comes to piano playesr.
[12:45] <TenPoundHammer> *players
[12:45] <Ottava> >.>
[12:45] <TenPoundHammer> I played two funeral masses this week. One paid $50, the other $75.
[12:46] <Ottava> Were you invited to the wake?
[12:46] <TenPoundHammer> yeah, but we had other things to do so we declined.
 08[12:46] <derp> TenPoundHammer, did you eat any of those little sandwiches with no crusts?
[12:46] <TenPoundHammer> no
[12:46] <TenPoundHammer> first one had a lunch, second one didn't
[12:46] <Jyothis> here is an interesting id ->
[12:47] <Ottava> No :?
 08[12:47] <derp> Jyothis, you'd need a steward for that.
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 12:48:09 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 12:48:09 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
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Session Close: Sun Feb 14 12:48:14 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 12:49:48 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
 03[12:49] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
 03[12:49] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at | If you need a channel operator, say !op followed by your request, or join #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | For urgent assistance or help, type !admin followed by your request. | IRC community meeting on Feb. 24: '
 03[12:49] * Set by Rjd0060!~Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060 on Thu Feb 11 15:44:00
[12:49] #wikipedia-en url is
[12:50] <TenPoundHammer> Please? Caldorwards4  is a friend of mine and I don't want him to get blocked for 3RR
[12:51] <[Soap]> lol COI
[12:51] <TenPoundHammer> ?
 08[12:51] * derp huggles TenPoundHammer tightly.
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[12:56] <TenPoundHammer> Why can't people undestand that copypasting from another page is a no no?
[12:57] <Lady_Aleena> No clue.
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[13:00] <TenPoundHammer> Because people are MORONS! MORONS! MORONS!
[13:00] <TenPoundHammer> Or so says Rat.
[13:00] <Lady_Aleena> Mostly true.
[13:03] * z33k (~the@wikipedia/z33k) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds )
[13:03] <TenPoundHammer> wow, I'm too dumb for Jeopardy
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[13:04] <TenPoundHammer> considering the last two weeks were college tournaments, you'd think it'd be easy, right?
[13:05] <TenPoundHammer> Wrong.
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[13:11] <TenPoundHammer> where is  everyone?
[13:12] <derp> here.
[13:12] <derp> but Everyone is with over there.
[13:12] <derp> You know Everyone is married?
[13:13] <derp> she was previously married to no
[13:13] <Ottava> Hmm
[13:13] <Ottava> Canadians are weird ;/
[13:13] <derp> so everyone has remarried with Over there.
[13:13] <derp> So her full name is everyone no over there.
[13:13] <derp> She says hi.
[13:13] * derp huggles Ottava tightly.
[13:14] <TenPoundHammer> Lady Antebellum = awesome.
[13:14] * Ottava pets derp
[13:14] <Ottava> Did you see the opening games?
[13:14] <Ottava> What did you think of the tap dancing and fiddle playing?
[13:15] <Ottava> and the magical canoe?
[13:15] <derp> It was magical :)
[13:16] <Ottava> Was that all truly Canadian? : )
[13:17] <derp> Well, of course :)
[13:17] <derp> The magical canoe is a québecois story.
[13:17] <Ottava>,219520
[13:17] <Ottava> : )
[13:17] <derp> lol
[13:17] <Ottava> Derp - did it swell your little maple leaf heart? : P
[13:18] <derp> :P
[13:18] * derp had his Québec flag :)
[13:18] <TenPoundHammer> PUT THAT COOKIE DOWN!
[13:18] <Ottava>,219527
[13:19] <derp> yay for hokey bitches!
[13:19] <Ottava> The blowout reinforces every criticism of the women's tournament, such as the need for a mercy rule or the notion that the women's tournament is "essentially an intramural competition between the same group of Canadian and U.S. women," as Jeff Blair of The Globe and Mail opined.
[13:19] <Ottava> The US Men's hockey players all play for their home countries
[13:20] <Ottava> you'd think the US Women's hockey players would do the same
[13:20] <derp> Ottava,
[13:20] <derp> for the magical canoe :)
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[13:20] <Ottava> and wtf, I'm sure Russia could put together a female hockey team
[13:20] * TenPoundHammer  doesn't give a rip about the olympics
[13:20] * derp went and had fun.
[13:21] * derp got hurt in a lost projectile
[13:21] <derp> sorry, by a lost projectile
[13:21] <Ottava> "tale of voyageurs "
[13:21] <Ottava> lulz
[13:21] <Ottava> French Canadian spelling
[13:21] <Ottava> ;/
[13:21] <derp> :D
[13:22] * derp invites Ottava to Montreal.
[13:22] <Ottava> The fiddle player had devil like horns, so I guess he was supposed to be bewitching the canoe at the time?
[13:22] <derp> heh
[13:22] <derp> That's also a name for a brand of beer
[13:22] <derp> made by Unibroue
[13:22] <Ottava> Unibrow ;/
[13:23] * derp pulcks Ottava's unibrow
[13:23] <Ottava> So, derp, do you hang out in pubs and listen to fiddle music while tap dancing? : )
[13:23] <derp> no :)
[13:23] <Ottava> That one tap dancer was rather entertaining
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[13:23] <derp> from time to time yes :)
[13:24] <derp> And smoking a pipe!
[13:24] <Ottava> no one has added the Olympic depiction yet ;/
[13:25] * derp is editing on the meta
[13:25] <derp> pimping up the montreal bid.
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[13:26] <Ottava> Add that you guys were given a nod in the Olympics opening ceremony : P
[13:27] * derp knows.
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[13:29] <derp> woo
[13:30] <derp> Google Street View expanded in Canada.
[13:30] <Ottava> scary
[13:30] <Ottava> all that snow
[13:30] <Ottava> ;/
[13:30] <derp> Ottava, come on!
[13:30] <Ottava> They use the same image of a snow drift for 90% of canada ;/
[13:30] <derp> It was taken during summer heh
[13:30] <Ottava> You know its funny!
[13:31] * derp throw urine snowballs at Ottava
[13:31] <Ottava> ew
[13:31] <derp> let's see where i live.
[13:32] <derp> Ottava
[13:32] <derp> want to see how the canadian space agency looks like?
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[13:36] <Ottava> Canadian space agency? Isn't that just a large staircase made out of ice blocks?
[13:36] <Ottava> : P
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[13:37] <derp> :P
[13:38] <derp> Ottava, would you live in a ice hotel?
[13:38] <derp> Or spend a night in one?
[13:38] <Ottava> No
[13:38] <Ottava> Too chilly
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[13:38] <Ottava> I shiver like a little bird out in the cold : (
[13:38] <derp> Because they're offering the chance to sleep in a real ice hotel not too far from quebec city
[13:39] <derp> of course, they supply a shitload of blankets and fur
[13:39] <Ottava> brb
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[13:49] <Ottava> back
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[13:52] <derp> wb Ottava <3
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[13:53] <Ottava> ty you Canadian bastard : P
[13:53] <Ottava> What is the French equivalent of bastard?
[13:53] <Ottava> batard?
[13:53] <derp> oui
[13:53] <derp> lol
[13:53] <Ottava> ;/
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[13:55] <derp> Ottava, google street view even covered the confederation bridge.
[13:55] <Ottava> I want a google street view that has historical images
[13:55] <Ottava> that would be exciting
[13:58] * derp licks Ottava
[13:58] <Ottava> eww, foreign cooties
[13:58] <derp> I had my cooties shot.
[13:58] <Ottava> ;/
[13:58] <derp> and cooties insurance.
[13:58] <derp> and cooter for you.
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[14:37] <Ottava> Hi Ryan
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[15:08] <[Soap]>  Cirt protected Nick Jr. [edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 20:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)) [move=autoconfirmed] (expires 20:08, 28 February 2010 (UTC)): disruption, prot req fm [[WP:RFPP]];
[15:08] <[Soap]> to whoever was asking for that
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[15:11] <evil_saltine> ayn rand
[15:12] <Natalie> Ayn Rand?
[15:12] <Natalie> The eminent 20th-century Russian-American philosopher?
[15:12] <evil_saltine> yes indeed
[15:13] <evil_saltine> The eminent 21st-century Australian android
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[15:21] <Ottava> androids are evil
[15:21] <[Soap]> does that include Google Android?
[15:22] <Ottava> yes
[15:22] <Ottava> google is evil
[15:22] <Ottava> apple is evil
[15:22] <Ottava> starbucks is evil
[15:22] <Qcoder00> Starbucks is a caffine pusher!!
[15:23] <evil_saltine> mm caffiene
[15:23] <evil_saltine> caffeine
[15:23] <evil_saltine> er
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[15:25] <Qcoder00> evil_saltine: Coffee at any rate
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[15:27] <evil_saltine> i miss toddy coffee
[15:27] <Ottava> I miss the 80s
[15:27] <evil_saltine> me too, i was pooping my pants
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[15:28] <Ottava> ew
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[15:31] <evil_saltine> ta-da
[15:33] <Qcoder00> Any chanops?
[15:33] <Qcoder00> I don't like the direction this is going in
[15:33] <evil_saltine> ?
[15:33] <evil_saltine> i was a baby in the 80s, that's why i said that
[15:34] <evil_saltine> sorry to offend
[15:35] <evil_saltine> i think you can type !op for an op though
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[15:39] <evil_saltine> oh hell yes saltine necklace
[15:41] <JSleeping> offensive user id ->
[15:42] <evil_saltine> JSleeping: done, thanks
[15:42] <Ottava> Hi Rjd0060
[15:42] <Rjd0060> Hi Ottava.
[15:42] <Ottava> How are you?
[15:42] <Rjd0060> I'm good
[15:42] <JSleeping> Ok
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[15:51] -ChanServ- [#ubuntu] Welcome to #ubuntu! Please read the channel topic and consider spending some time on the FAQ mentioned there - This channel is officially logged at
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[15:53] <Qcoder00> Hmm
[15:53] <Qcoder00> [[Armed police]] should be a disambig
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[15:54] <Qcoder00> Currently it links to a specfic PRC unit
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[16:01] <satdav> can a admin tell me why was deleted
[16:02] <derp> satdav, see results.
[16:02] <derp> As it's a AfD, there are reasons 
[16:03] <derp>  4♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 
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[16:12] <Ottava> derp - "You never call me when you're sober"
[16:12] <Ottava> ;/
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[16:33] <Qcoder00> - I'm not being unreasonable?
[16:34] <Qcoder00> If an image page tells you to notify an uploader about missing image, you shouldn't get some contributor complaning when you do exactly what the image page TELLS you to do?
[16:34] <Qcoder00> *missing image information
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[16:35] <Ottava> Qcoder00 - I think you need to get admin status so you can pwn such people
[16:35] <Ottava> : P
[16:36] <Qcoder00> LOL
[16:36] <Ottava> "Oh, you don't like my notice? Eat block!"
[16:36] <Ottava> You'd be less abusive than 60% of admin now : P
[16:36] <Qcoder00> If I had admin powers , I'd by  'Deadly' or 'Elite' XD
[16:36] <Qcoder00> *be
[16:37] <Ottava> brb
[16:37] <Qcoder00> Any admins around?
[16:37] <irregardless> nope
[16:37] <derp> nope.
[16:38] <derp> request a steward.
[16:38] <Qcoder00> derp : I don't need anyone higher than an admin
[16:38] <derp> Qcoder00, a steward can make anyone a admin :P
[16:38] <Qcoder00> derp:  Well I can't be admin
[16:38] <Ottava> Jimbo can make anyone an admin until people start whining
[16:38] <Ottava> ;/
[16:39] <derp> Usually it's for short times
[16:39] <derp> Ottava, go hunt your food.
[16:39] <Qcoder00> No-ones proposed an RfAdmin for me yet
[16:39] <Ottava> I know, but that caught my eye
[16:39] <Ottava> anyway
[16:39] <Ottava> brb
[16:39] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 do u need one for someth?
[16:39] * derp huggles Chzz_ tightly.
[16:39] <Chzz_> meep
[16:39] <derp> Qcoder00, and you will never have one :)
[16:39] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: and related
[16:40] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 yep, what's the trouble?
[16:40] <Qcoder00> I issued a notification about missing details as a page said, and i get complaints that I should seemingly have read details (that were added AFTER the notfication) before issuing it !!
[16:40] <Qcoder00> Are Wikipedians supposed to know have the ability to time travel?
[16:40] <Qcoder00> XD
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[16:41] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 The 'clear'? Or someth else?
[16:41] <Mifter> Hey everyone
[16:41] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: no
[16:41] <Qcoder00> It relates to the 'Image missing description...' tag
[16:42] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 Sorry, that was the diff. so - what's the trouble?
[16:42] <Qcoder00>
[16:42] <[Soap]> hi Chzz
[16:42] <Qcoder00> My concern is that I'm getting complaints for doing EXACTLY what an Image page says (and what policy  says) you are supposed to do
[16:43] <Chzz_> Hi [Soap] :-) Glad to see it's all SNAFU here. I'm not *back* back, just visiting :)
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[16:43] <Qcoder00> I am no being told  WP:DTTR!!
[16:43] <Qcoder00> *now
[16:43] <Qcoder00> Which I find offensive
[16:43] <Qcoder00> given that owing to my systematic efforts in the last few days, a LOT of images haven been resuced, improved or correctly removed !!
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[16:44] <ipatrol> We really could use some NPPs. There's a flood of spam, vanity articles, and sappy valentine's day love notes
[16:44] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 a) the warning notice looks fine to me - it's a polite request, and not pointy - and yes, adding descs will make things better.   b) If people disregard the notice, that's there choice, and I suggest you just disregard their disregard. Most ppl will fix the thing, some won't. A bit like a vandal-warning; in these cases, the best action would be (i) don't take it personal, (ii) ...
[16:45] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: I don't take people justly moaning about mistags personally
[16:45] <Qcoder00> but I do get upset when people moan at me for actually doing what templates and other people (inc admins) have advised...
[16:45] <Chzz_> (ii) fix the description yourself if you can, (iii) if you can't, feel free to politely propose it for deletion.   If you personally take offense at others taking offense when you (quite rightly) ask them nicely to add a desc etc, then I suggest you stop asking. All of us who post any kind of warning/caution notices have to anticipate some antagonism
[16:46] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: It wasn't the original uploader that was complaining anyway
[16:47] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 To summarise: you're doing good stuff, you're clearly trying to make things better. But if ppl won't cooperate, by far the best course of action is to ignore the bastards, and not let 'em grind you down. If you read too much into it, you'll drive yourself crazyt
[16:47] <Qcoder00> LOL
[16:47] <Qcoder00> I am NOT Betacommand XD ;)
[16:47] <Ottava> back
[16:47] <Ottava> Qcoder00 is Betacommand's little brother
[16:48] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 ppl who (perfectly correctly) notice ppl get a lot of crap. Just look at vandal-fighters, and how many times their user pages are vandalised, and much worse. The best of the best vandal-fighters regularly have ppl stalk 'em, AfD everything they've ever done, PROD their old work, jump into their arguments, and all kinds of nasties.
[16:48] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: Oh well at least I passed the turing test this time ... (people have called me a Bot at sometimes)
[16:48] <Qcoder00> XD
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[16:49] <Chzz_> b3tac. knows very well how to ignore the cunts.   (Ohai Marybelle :-) )
[16:49] <ipatrol> is there an ACC admin here?
[16:49] <Natalie> Hey Chzz_.
[16:49] <Qcoder00> Natalie:  I left a note on WP:DBR re the request I made the other day concering *.gif
[16:49] <Chzz_> ipatrol u mean someone with ACC or what?
[16:49] <Natalie> Qcoder00: I saw.
[16:49] <Ottava> Marybelle? I haven't seen McBride use that name in forever
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[16:49] <Natalie> I wouldn't hold your breath.
[16:49] <Qcoder00> Objective : Remove all single frame gif's by the end of 2010
[16:50] * Natalie is now known as Marybelle
[16:50] <Ottava> omai
[16:50] <Ottava> Marybelle sounds like a cow's name ;/
[16:50] <Chzz_> O_O
[16:51] <Chzz_> Qcoder00 s'fine; feel free to vent. But srsly, "Nil illigitum carborundum"
[16:51] <Qcoder00> 'Don't let the barstads grind you down! ' :)
[16:51] <Qcoder00> Me didn't do Latin :(
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[16:52] <Ottava> never illegitimate carborator?
[16:52] <Ottava> >.>
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[16:52] <Ottava> hola Keegan
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[16:52] <Ottava> How is it in the Great White South?
[16:52] <Ottava> aww
[16:52] <Chzz_> nice timing
[16:52] <Ottava> he left
[16:52] * Keegan_ is now known as Keegan
[16:52] <Ottava> there we go
[16:52] <Ottava> okay, so he still is there
[16:52] <ipatrol> XD
[16:53] <Chzz_> Ssh. Stop talking about Keegan, he's back
[16:53] <Keegan> Hi
[16:53] <Keegan> Melting
[16:53] <Keegan> Hi Chzz
[16:53] <ipatrol> Let's arrest him for wikisubversion
[16:53] * Keegan hugs Chzz
[16:54] <Chzz_> ipatrol re ACC - what did u need?
[16:54] <ipatrol> Never mind, overlord took care of it
[16:54] <Chzz_> kk
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[16:55] <ipatrol>  "Nil illigitum carborundum" is dog latin
[16:55] <Ottava> Not pig latin?
[16:55] <ipatrol> no
[16:56] <ipatrol>
[16:56] <Ottava> ilna ligitumya arborundumkai
[16:57] <Chzz_> "ROMANES EUNT DOMUS"? "People called Romanes they go the house?"
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[17:00] <Qcoder00> Chzz_: I've seen that sketch ... :(
[17:00] <Qcoder00> "So what have the ROMANS ever DONE for us?" XD
[17:01] <Ottava> Much
[17:01] <Chzz_> wine?
[17:01] <Chzz_> :/
[17:02] <Mifter> architecture? roads?
[17:02] <Chzz_> aquaducts!
[17:02] <Qcoder00> Mifter: You've not seen Life of brian?
[17:02] <Mifter> Nope :P
[17:03] <JSleeping> The thing with x and xx in en wiki user creation continues :)
[17:03] <Qcoder00> Mifter: You should
[17:03] <Qcoder00> It's hillarously funny
[17:03] <ipatrol> Actually, a valid translation would be: Operor non permissum nothus homo frendo vos solum
[17:04] <Qcoder00> ipatrol:  Which means?
[17:04] <JSleeping>  Xdarkdreamx ,XlarejohnX are the new creations :)
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[17:04] * derp huggles Sceptre tightly.
[17:04] <ipatrol> Qcoder00: Don't let the bastards grind you down
[17:04] <Sceptre> can someone answer me a question?
[17:04] <Qcoder00> ipatrol : OK
[17:04] <ipatrol> frendo = grind
[17:04] <Chzz_> Sceptre 42
[17:04] <ipatrol> nothus homo = bastard
[17:04] <Qcoder00> BTW It's a shame Ironholds isn't here
[17:04] <Sceptre> why do we have a "Haiti earthquake conspiracy theories" article?
[17:04] <ipatrol> solum = down
[17:04] <Sceptre> and why the fuck was it kept at AfD twice
[17:05] <Qcoder00> Sceptre: Because there are hatian Earthquake conspiracy theories?
[17:05] <Sceptre> Qcoder00: this is a conspiracy theory
[17:05] <Sceptre> about a fucking earthquake
[17:05] <Qcoder00> Like it was some US super weapon....
[17:05] <ipatrol> The internet is a conspiracy theory
[17:05] <Qcoder00> Sceptre: " If you can belive they put a man on the moon...."
[17:05] <Sceptre> HAARP?
[17:06] <Qcoder00> What is HAARP?
[17:06] <Chzz_> Sceptre It's in DRV; it looks like it'll be an endorse, so just wait a bit.
[17:06] <Sceptre> HAARP has been blamed for everything from Columbine to the traffic lights on the Altrincham Ring Road
[17:06] <Sceptre> Chzz_: an "endorse keep", sadly
[17:06] <Qcoder00> Sceptre: Altrincham?
[17:07] <Sceptre> Qcoder00: suburb of Manchester
[17:07] <[Soap]> lol
[17:07] <Qcoder00> Surely the traffic lights don't go wrong that often?
[17:07] <Chzz_> Ooh, I fucking hate the lights on Altrincham road. I always nip down the back past the cricket ground, and then go around that big block of flats before TGI's
[17:07] <Chzz_> I blame aliens
[17:07] <[Soap]> I thought I'd heard the ultimate from the blame-America crowd but this really takes the cake
[17:07] <Qcoder00> BTW A geek friend of mine at college got me really scared once
[17:07] <Qcoder00> He claimed he knew which three traffic junctions could 'crash' london
[17:08] <Sceptre> Qcoder00: which ones?
[17:08] <Sceptre> also, I feel really bad for Jews
[17:08] <Qcoder00> He said that he'd only disclose that information to TfL or MI5
[17:08] <Qcoder00> I think he was a maths student
[17:09] <Qcoder00> so would know something about graph theory
[17:09] <Sceptre> even after the Holocaust a lot of people in the west are rabidly anti-Semitic
[17:10] <Sceptre> I mean, fuck, I know Israel has done some bad stuff
[17:10] <Sceptre> but to accuse them of harvesting the organs of dead Haitians?
[17:10] <Sceptre> seriously?
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[17:11] <Sceptre> and of course, portraying Israel as anything but worse than Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Bin Laden, Mugabe, Mao, and Kim Jong-il combined will make you "part of the Jewish lobby"
[17:12] <ipatrol> I'm Jewish and proud of it
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[17:13] <Sceptre> ipatrol: more power to you
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[17:14] <ipatrol> Mazel tov to you to
[17:14] <ipatrol> o
[17:16] <Qcoder00> Hmm... You hear a lot about various asian languges being taught in schools now... , but less about Hebrew ...
[17:16] <ipatrol> Well, it's not a big commercial power
[17:16] <ipatrol> Mandrian is more useful to an employer these days
[17:16] <Qcoder00> ipatrol : True
[17:17] <Qcoder00> but I've hard some schools/colleges  have started teaching Urdu  out of practicality :)
[17:18] <Qcoder00> *heard
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[17:19] <Qcoder00> Sadly, where I was at school, practicaly everyone did French or German, whereas doing Arabic or Urdu would have made more sense.
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[17:21] <Proto> Hello. :)
[17:21] <MissAlyx> is anyone here an iphone developer?
[17:21] <Proto> Wrong chat.
[17:22] <Proto> Luckly I am one.
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[17:22] <MissAlyx> I just thought i'd ask, maybe I'd get lucky.
[17:23] <Proto> Well
[17:23] <Proto> What is it you need because I am a developer :P
[17:23] <MissAlyx> i had an idea for an app, and i wanted to know if it was physicaly possible to make
[17:24] <MissAlyx> the concept seems possible, and not too difficult either.
[17:24] <Proto> Anything is possible.
[17:24] <ipatrol> Soxred93?
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[17:25] <juliancolton> hey PMBL
[17:25] <Proto> Even though I really came here to ask for a Checkuser to look for a link between User234 and PBML
[17:25] <MissAlyx> lol
[17:25] * Caspian_blue is now known as Nutrition
[17:25] <Proto> Both seem to have.
[17:25] <Proto> You are such a spoil :(
[17:25] <Ottava> Pink Floyd's No More Turning Away has a nice celtic kind of vibe to it
[17:25] <[Soap]> I knew it
[17:25] * Proto poof
[17:25] * Chzz_ pokes Keegan with a Proto
[17:25] <[Soap]> proto: your IP gives you away
[17:25] <juliancolton> Proto: fail trolling is fail
[17:25] <Keegan> Eh, That song is okay
[17:25] <ipatrol> Sox: I have an idea for your ECAPI
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[17:26] <Ottava> Keegan, you suck
[17:26] <Ottava> : P
[17:26] <Keegan> The Division Bell is a good album, but the problem I have with it is Pink Floyd's name on it
[17:26] * Keegan is a big Pink Floyd fan
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[17:27] <Proto> MissAlyx? What consept?
[17:28] <MissAlyx> i dont wanna say, you might steal it :<
[17:28] * Chzz_ wanders off to play some Roger Waters
[17:28] * Proto User234 is my latest entity.
[17:29] <[Soap]> youre claiming that User234 = you = Pickbothmanlol?
[17:29] <Proto> yes.
[17:29] <Proto> MO obviously matches.
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[17:30] <[Soap]> tbh I dont believe you ... the account would have been blocked during one of the previous SPI's surely ... but OK
[17:30] <Proto> Plus I always like to admit my socks when there purpose is almost done with.
[17:30] <Ottava> ;/
[17:30] <Ottava> Okay, Keegan, best Pink Floyd album is... ?
[17:30] <Keegan> Hrm
[17:30] <Ottava> and by the way, "On the Turning Away" is on A momentary Lapse of reason
[17:31] <Proto> The Dark Side of the Moon
[17:31] <Proto> in my opinion
[17:31] <Keegan> Probably Wish You Were Here, but I do like The Final Cut, even though it's as non-Floyd as The Division Bell
[17:31] <Ottava> It was later on the Division Bell : P
[17:31] <Ottava> My favorite is Wish You Were Here
[17:32] <Ottava> Partly because of the way the songs feel and partly because of its self reflective nature
[17:32] <Proto> Horray, I beat a boss in Mega Man 9.
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[17:32] <Proto> After about 39 attempts.
[17:32] <Keegan> I like how the Wall/The Final Cut have a story arch
[17:32] <Keegan> *arc
[17:32] <Keegan> But sonically, Wish You Were Here followed by Animals
[17:33] <Ottava> Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here have the most individual songs that I like
[17:33] <Proto> Already said Dark Side.
[17:33] <Ottava> As well as the Wall, but the Wall doesn't count because of the filler ;/
[17:34] <Ottava> Proto - more than one person can like an album : P
[17:35] <Ottava> Okay, Keegan - Waters or Gilmore
[17:35] <Ottava> Who is better
[17:35] <Ottava> : )
[17:35] <MissAlyx> im gonna fumble round my irc for the iphone dev i have there, and beg him to make my idea for me o.o
[17:35] <JamieS93> Wish You Were Here is a good song.
[17:35] <MissAlyx> for free.
[17:35] <MissAlyx> xD
[17:35] <Keegan> No call
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[17:35] <Keegan> Roger can write
[17:36] <Keegan> Gilmore can perform
[17:36] <Ottava> Okay, throw Syd into the mix : )
[17:36] <Ottava> Now who
[17:36] <Ottava> of the three
[17:36] <Proto> PBML is in the middle of trying to claim User234 for his collection.
[17:36] <Keegan> Is not Syd an option?
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[17:37] <Ottava> So you are going to toss Syd out? : )
[17:37] <Ottava> I guess you aren't a fan of The Piper at the Gates of Dawn?
[17:38] <Keegan> The only Floyd Barrett song I like is Jug Band Blues
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[17:39] <Proto> MascotGuy is a greedy prick. :(
[17:39] <Brian_S> Lol
[17:39] <Brian_S> Greedy prick
[17:40] <Brian_S> Proto = Pickbothmanlol? =)
[17:40] <Proto> PBML is User234
[17:40] <Proto> go away.
[17:40] <Brian_S> It's obvious since you have
[17:41] <Proto> bellsouth is a pretty cool guy
[17:41] <[Soap]> he's just trying to make us believe he's User234
[17:41] <[Soap]> Im skeptical
[17:41] <Proto> My MO says otherwise.
[17:41] <[Soap]> the account's been around for a year, and never turned up on any SPI's
[17:41] <Brian_S> Yeah, PBML is impersonating other users now. A few days ago he impersonating Bambifan.
[17:41] <Proto> Newsflash, SOME socks can make it through a year.
[17:42] <Brian_S> was impersonating*
[17:42] <Brian_S> >>
[17:42] <[Soap]> and Grawp too, iirc. and John254
[17:42] <Qcoder00> The more a sock infiltrates the harder it will fall...
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[17:42] <Proto> Hi.
[17:42] <Proto> I am with the NSA
[17:43] <[Soap]> or maybe it was ScienceGolfFan who tried to get us to believe he was Grawp
[17:43] * Sceptre (~sceptre@unaffiliated/sceptre) Quit (Quit: There's a battle outside and it is ragin'. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls for the times they are a-changin' )
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[17:45] <Brian_S> Proto: Was Andrew in Making 80 Accounts - 1 you? :)
[17:45] <Proto> yes.
[17:45] <ipatrol> I really like [[User:Zro/stubtagtab3.js]], it can add any possible stup template by loading the WPSTUBS list
[17:45] <ipatrol> *stub
[17:45] <Brian_S> Then you are Pickbothmanlol :
[17:45] <Brian_S> )
[17:45] <Proto> Wikipedia is Communism
[17:45] <Proto>
[17:45] <Brian_S> So is your mother
[17:45] <Brian_S> :P
[17:45] <Brian_S> j/k
[17:45] * Willking|Busy is now known as Willking1979
[17:46] <Brian_S> old joke is old :(
[17:46] <Ottava> long cat is long
[17:47] <JamieS93> cute kitteh is cute
[17:47] <Proto>
[17:47] <Proto> IT ARE FACT.
[17:47] <Ottava> no u
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[17:47] Clones detected from unaffiliated/leonardbloom/x-1853287: 8 Leonard^Bloom vonRanke
[17:47] <Ottava> OMG Hi Leondard : )
[17:47] <Ottava> Leonard*
[17:47] <Ottava> blah
[17:47] <Ottava> I havent seen you around in a while
[17:47] <Leonard^Bloom> I'm around all the time :P
[17:48] <JamieS93> He seems to have epic connection issues, though.
[17:48] <Leonard^Bloom> under a different nick
[17:48] <JamieS93> ^
[17:48] <Ottava> oh
[17:48] <Ottava> Which name?
[17:48] <Leonard^Bloom> JamieS93: you know it :)
[17:48] * vonRanke (~wsaryn@unaffiliated/leonardbloom/x-1853287) Quit (Disconnected by services )
[17:48] <JamieS93> vonranke
[17:48] * Leonard^Bloom is now known as vonRanke
[17:48] <Ottava> I havent seen that name around either : (
[17:48] <Ottava> and I knew it too : (
[17:48] <JamieS93> And a series of other nicks I think
[17:49] <vonRanke> JamieS93: I use only L^B, Saryn, and vonRanke
[17:49] <JamieS93> Hmm.
[17:49] <JamieS93> I thought I saw at least another in there, i must be wrong
[17:49] <Ottava> brb
[17:50] <Proto> On Wikipedia "any user can change any entry, and if enough users agree with them, it becomes true."
[17:50] * Keegan (~chatzilla@wikimedia/Keegan) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds )
[17:52] <Qcoder00> Proto: Thats not strictly ture
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[17:53] <TenPoundHammer> Any admins around?
[17:53] <[Soap]> yes
[17:53] <[Soap]> TPH
[17:53] <Proto> Soap is a shit admin.
[17:53] <[Soap]> you should really learn who the admins are
[17:53] * Proto awaits the prize
[17:53] <TenPoundHammer> -delete plz
[17:54] <TenPoundHammer> And move too, if you want.
[17:54] <[Soap]> oh JamieS93 left the second before you wrote that
[17:54] <[Soap]> haha
[17:54] <TenPoundHammer> Anyone else in?
[17:55] <TenPoundHammer> ¿Habla inglés?
[17:55] <ipatrol> Watching a show on a polygamist former Jewish rabbi
[17:56] * TenPoundHammer prods Rjd0060 with a Pocky
[17:57] * TenPoundHammer feels like he's talking to a wall
[17:58] * Chzz_ is catching up with Lost, s5 - and is thoroughly confused. But I expect the butler did it.
[17:58] * Anturiaethwr (~mickele@ Quit (Remote host closed the connection )
[17:58] * qemqemqem ( Quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds )
[17:59] * darkoneko (~darkoneko@wikipedia/darkoneko) Quit (Quit: your lunch is non notable ? eat wikipedios )
[17:59] * TenPoundHammer taps his foot impatiently
[18:00] <Proto> die
[18:00] <Proto> my
[18:00] <Proto> hair
[18:00] <[Soap]> you could use the ! word if youre prepared for other admins to tell you that it was unnecessary
[18:00] <[Soap]> you know it always works
[18:01] <[Soap]> why cant you just go to the other article and edit it there?
[18:01] <TenPoundHammer> because the redirect has more than one edit, so I cna't just overwrite it
[18:01] <Proto> brb givin grawp a sock.
[18:02] <TenPoundHammer> I didn't realize it at first, but "You Never Even Called Me by My Name" is a rather vicious parody
[18:03] <Chzz_> TenPoundHammer what redir do you want obliterated?
[18:04] <TenPoundHammer>
[18:05] <Chzz_> TenPoundHammer done
[18:06] <TenPoundHammer> thanks
[18:06] * TenPoundHammer downloads that song while he's at it
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[18:08] Clones detected from wikipedia/Amorymeltzer: 8 McJohn McJack
[18:08] * Proto (~44ddcca7@gateway/web/freenode/x-uyvpjhhmwzuukysu) Quit (Quit: Page closed )
[18:09] <[Soap]> chzz has a secret admin account
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[18:10] <Chzz_> [Soap] just the one? pfft
[18:10] * [Coffee] is now known as coffee
[18:10] <TenPoundHammer> hehe
[18:11] <Chzz_> [Soap] The SysOp, CU and OS aren't secret. But I admit to keeping the Founder one under wraps
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[18:12] <TenPoundHammer> you're allowed to do that?
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[18:14] <The_Thing> I detest sites that limit the size of passwords...
[18:15] <OffToHades> evening guys. Anyone know what the prefix is for the scots gaelic version of wikipedia please?
[18:15] <TenPoundHammer> I think
[18:15] <Herodotus> I detest people who complain about such limitations!
[18:15] <TenPoundHammer> yep
[18:15] * Jamesofur|food is now known as Jamesofur
[18:15] <TenPoundHammer> OffToHades, ^
[18:15] <OffToHades> nope, sco is scots written as scots dialect, tph.
[18:16] <TenPoundHammer> ah
[18:16] <TenPoundHammer> there's more than one form of scottish?
[18:16] <OffToHades> yep
[18:16] <TenPoundHammer> bleah
[18:17] <OffToHades> hm...
[18:17] <[Soap]> well it isnt ga, sga, sge, sgi, sgo, or sgu
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[18:17] <TenPoundHammer> Or is it the bagel?
[18:18] <[Soap]> I know Ive been on it before
[18:18] <[Soap]> gla
[18:18] <[Soap]>
[18:18] * Gracenotes (~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes) Quit (Remote host closed the connection )
[18:19] <[Soap]> wait no
[18:19] <[Soap]>
[18:19] <TenPoundHammer> Wow. That's one of the weirdest looking languages. o.o
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[18:20] <TenPoundHammer> That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!
[18:20] <OffToHades> thanks Soap.
[18:21] <OffToHades> Rjd0060 just pointed me to Special:SiteMatrix, apparently works from any project
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[18:22] <MisterWiki> hi TenPoundHammer
[18:22] <TenPoundHammer> hi
[18:22] <TenPoundHammer> I swear, they put crack in fudgesicles.
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[18:23] <TenPoundHammer> Or at least this brand.
[18:23] <FT2> afternoon
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[18:23] <OffToHades> TenPoundHammer: Its a trap, to make you buy more.
[18:23] <[Soap]> hi Sarandioti
[18:24] <TenPoundHammer> IT'S A TRAP!
[18:24] <OffToHades> Your fudgsicle cracks, hits the deck and you have to go get another box.
[18:24] <TenPoundHammer> hehe
[18:24] <Optium> fudgsicle?lol
[18:24] * Marybelle is now known as Natalie
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[18:25] <TenPoundHammer> yeah
[18:29] <TenPoundHammer> Heh. I saw some Dragon Ball Z valentine cards at the St. Vincent's.
[18:30] <JSleeping> if anyone is interested ->
[18:30] <JSleeping> :)
[18:30] <TenPoundHammer> there were not OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!! of the cards, sadly.
[18:30] * Optium (~554a6984@gateway/web/freenode/x-uyfjbnuxjdbcriuq) Quit (Quit: Page closed )
[18:31] * Chzz_ is now known as Cathy_
[18:31] <JSleeping> This is something interesting ->'t_Seem_Right :)
[18:32] <TenPoundHammer> heh
[18:32] * JSleeping is now known as Jyothis
[18:33] <TenPoundHammer> Jyothis, you could've just used the !adm-- oops
[18:33] * Cathy_ is now known as Chzz
[18:34] <OffToHades> TPH: that was so close it almost caused a breeze in here...
[18:34] <TenPoundHammer> hehe
[18:34] <TenPoundHammer> are there any admins in here?
[18:34] <MisterWiki> Jyothis. Where do I request bot approval on the ml wiki?
[18:34] <Chzz> no
[18:34] <Chzz> pfft
[18:34] <MisterWiki> Or whichever wiki you are sysop?
[18:35] <Jyothis> hold on,
[18:35] <MisterWiki> k
[18:35] * TenPoundHammer prods Rjd0060, stwalkerster, etc. with sticks
[18:36] <stwalkerster> huh?
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> You adminz, stwalkerster?
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> I need deleted plz.
[18:36] <Jyothis> Check that link
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> Simple G6.
[18:36] <stwalkerster> rather inactive, but still
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> just a quick G6, stwalkerster
[18:36] <MisterWiki> Jyothis: Replied on -stewards.
[18:36] <stwalkerster> Waiting for
[18:36] <TenPoundHammer> if people could just figure out that you can overwrite a redirect, that'd help massively.
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[18:38] * TenPoundHammer taps his foot
[18:38] <Herodotus> You can't fix stupid®
[18:38] <MisterWiki> ®
[18:38] <MisterWiki> XD
[18:38] <TenPoundHammer> gracias
[18:38] * MisterWiki registers ®
[18:38] <TenPoundHammer> hehe
[18:39] <[Soap]> probably taken
[18:39] <TenPoundHammer> too late
[18:39] <[Soap]> isnti s a song?
[18:39] <TenPoundHammer> yeah
[18:39] <TenPoundHammer> but someone else  took the name for something else without knowing it was a song
[18:39] <MisterWiki> Lol. The first result of google is the userpage of TPH
[18:39] <MisterWiki>
[18:39] * Killiondude (~Killer@wikimedia/Killiondude) has joined #wikipedia-en
[18:39] <MisterWiki> And yes, it's taken.
[18:39] <MisterWiki> Hey killiondude®
[18:40] <TenPoundHammer> Sixth result is my ED article!
[18:40] * coffee (~blongy@wikipedia/Coffee) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds )
[18:40] <MisterWiki> you do have a ED article?
[18:40] <MisterWiki> O_0
[18:40] <TenPoundHammer> yeah
[18:40] * Optium (~554a6984@gateway/web/freenode/x-hhielrdtnaglqebi) has joined #wikipedia-en
[18:41] <TenPoundHammer> actually, I wrote it myself to see if they'd catch on. They haven't.
[18:41] * Optium (~554a6984@gateway/web/freenode/x-hhielrdtnaglqebi) Quit (Client Quit )
[18:41] <Killiondude> hi
[18:42] <MisterWiki> I'll create an article about me :p
[18:42] <TenPoundHammer> I'm tempted to start throwing stuff at my own ED article, telling of how I used to troll when I was 14
[18:42] * Ryanposs (~chatzilla@wikipedia/Ryan-Postlethwaite) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds )
[18:42] <TenPoundHammer> Just keep throwing stuff in the article and see how long it takes before they catch on , if at all.
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[18:42] <MisterWiki> lol
[18:43] <TenPoundHammer> think I should do that?
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[18:44] * [Coffee] is now known as coffee
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[18:47] <Chzz> TenPoundHammer out yourself as "David Icke" on ED
[18:47] <TenPoundHammer> who?
[18:47] * OffToHades (~OffToHade@unaffiliated/offtohades) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds )
[18:47] * ipatrol (~ipatrol60@wikimedia/Ipatrol) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds )
[18:48] <Chzz> Oh, if only we had some kind of global internet-based database where we could look up these kinds of thing
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[18:49] <TenPoundHammer> heh
[18:49] <TenPoundHammer> on the second thought, maybe I shouldn't bait ED. Doing so would result in them getting my last name.
[18:49] <TenPoundHammer> Which is a bad thing when you have a weird name like mine.
[18:49] <TenPoundHammer> There aren't that many Bobby Peacocks in the world.
[18:50] <OffToHades> mate, it can't be much more weird than a name most of your work colleagues can't pronounce without buggering up...
[18:51] <OffToHades> And I wouldn't say Bobby Peacock is an unusual or weird name.
[18:53] <MisterWiki> OffToHades: Remember the song I've requested you to remix?
[18:54] <OffToHades> yep
[18:54] <MisterWiki> There you can listen to it for the rythm.
[18:54] <MisterWiki> Or samples, or whatever ;)
[18:55] <[Soap]> there could be someone in here right now who'd put you on ED
[18:55] <OffToHades> thanks
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[18:55] <[Soap]> hi Pickbothmanlol
[18:55] <Pickbothmanlol> hai
[18:56] <MisterWiki> Me, [Soap] ?
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[18:56] <[Soap]> was talking to TenPound
[18:56] <Pickbothmanlol> How's the ten year block?
[18:56] <MisterWiki> boring
[18:56] <TenPoundHammer> ten year block?
[18:56] <Pickbothmanlol> yeah
[18:56] <TenPoundHammer> for what?
[18:56] <Pickbothmanlol> he got blocked for ten years via ANI
[18:57] <Killiondude> Not entirely true.
[18:57] <Pickbothmanlol> I forgot the reason.
[18:57] <Killiondude> Mostly for calling a jewish administrator a nazi.
[18:57] <MisterWiki> A jewish admin?
[18:57] <Killiondude> Yes.
[18:57] <MisterWiki> I generalized.
[18:57] <Pickbothmanlol> But the swastika is a symbol of peace.
[18:57] <Killiondude> The person who was trying to help you was Jewish.
[18:58] <MisterWiki> Someone took the words against himself.
[18:58] <Pickbothmanlol> Horray, I am in Simple's MediaWiki:Titleblacklist‎
[18:58] <MisterWiki> But I don't care now, I'm blocked and I can't do anything against it until may, I think.
[18:59] <MisterWiki> You are happy of being blocked?
[18:59] <OffToHades> it is entirely your own fault, MW.  People try and try and try till they're blue in the face to help you, and you *still* fuck it up.
[19:00] <OffToHades> I don't know why we fucking bother.
[19:00] <Pickbothmanlol> AGF?
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[19:00] * MissAlyx ( Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer )
[19:00] <OffToHades> Pick, fuck good faith.
[19:00] <Killiondude> You tried to take down Commons.
[19:00] <Killiondude> We're not going to assume good faith.
[19:00] <OffToHades> We've helped him out of shit before,
[19:00] <MisterWiki> I know it is my fault.
[19:00] <Pickbothmanlol> That was awesome.
[19:00] <Killiondude> Or fail.
[19:00] <MisterWiki> And I'm entirely embarrased about it.
[19:00] <MisterWiki> Not like Pickboth.
[19:01] <OffToHades> embarrassed???? calling a jewish admin a nazi???? You should be shot.
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[19:01] <Pickbothmanlol> ^
[19:01] <Pickbothmanlol> I feel bad for the admin.
[19:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Natalie
[19:01] <Pickbothmanlol> oh no
[19:01] <MisterWiki> I didn't knew he was jewish at all.
[19:02] * cyprian ( Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds )
[19:02] <MisterWiki> And I would like to apologize to him.
[19:02] * Rjd0060 plays Jeopardy music
[19:02] * Natalie sets mode: +b *!~44ddcca7*@*
[19:02] <Killiondude> OffToHades: It's a little overboard to say that somebody should be shot.
[19:02] <Natalie> There we go.
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 19:02:32 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 19:02:32 2010
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Session Start: Sun Feb 14 19:38:53 2010
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[19:38] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
[19:38] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at | If you need a channel operator, say !op followed by your request, or join #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | For urgent assistance or help, type !admin followed by your request. | IRC community meeting on Feb. 24: '
[19:38] * Set by Rjd0060!~Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060 on Thu Feb 11 15:44:00
[19:38] #wikipedia-en url is
[19:38] -ChanServ- [#wikipedia-fr] Canal en UTF-8. La diffusion publique de journaux de ce canal est interdite. Merci de lire et de contribuer à la bonne humeur du canal. Bonne journée !
[19:40] <irregardless>
[19:40] <Killiondude> Haha.
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[19:43] <irregardless>
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[19:44] <Jyothis> @adminsëdia_made_me_fat
[19:44] * derp blows a booger on Killiondude
[19:44] <Chzz> Killiondude, brace yourself; probably sit down, hold your sides; make sure no glass objects are near, and then watch this;
[19:46] * qemqemqem ( Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds )
[19:46] <Chzz> Scorchio!
[19:47] <ipatrol> I had been working on a wikimedia API framework, but then I found Wikitools for that
[19:47] <Qcoder00> BTW Anyone thats interested, I am planning on doing something intresting in #Wikia-fiction at some point
[19:47] <Qcoder00> ;)
[19:47] <ipatrol> Wikitools is more usable than pywikipedia
[19:47] <Qcoder00> I can't say what yet ,
[19:48] <Chzz> O_O
[19:49] <ipatrol> I'll turn my project into an extension toolkit
[19:49] <Chzz> Butross Butross-Gali
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[19:49] <derp> ipatrol, i have a wikipedia tool for iphone / ipod touch
[19:50] <derp> I maintain it as a private relase.
[19:50] <Chzz> Killiondude, did u c that vid?#
[19:50] <ipatrol> I was talking about
[19:50] <Killiondude> Yeah, it was muy funny.
[19:50] <Killiondude> :-)
[19:50] <Chzz> :)
[19:50] * derp snuggles with Killiondude.
[19:51] <Killiondude> hey fail
[19:51] <derp> ipatrol, it's valentine's day
[19:51] <derp> go bone your wife.
[19:51] <ipatrol> It's more low-level, but it's much better for being imported into other scripts
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[19:51] <Qcoder00> Ok anyone her got an interest in sci-fi ?
[19:51] <Chzz> s' Scorchio!   It was an ongoing was on every episode, for the whole season. the weather was always "scorchio", and they always closed w/ the Butross Butross-Gali thing
[19:51] <Chzz> Qcoder00 I can't do that, Dave
[19:51] <Jyothis> did anyone handleëdia_made_me_fat ?
[19:51] <ipatrol> derp: I just hate the sappy love notes that come up on valentine's day
[19:52] <derp> well
[19:52] <Qcoder00> Chzz:  2001 :)
[19:52] <ipatrol> Other than that, I bought some choclate-covered strawberries for us
[19:52] <Matthewedwards> what with these red "page notice" links on each article I edit/
[19:52] <derp> it's a good idea to bone your wife, spoil her on a day.
[19:52] <Matthewedwards> ?
[19:52] <Qcoder00> And one of the better Sci- Fi films made :)
[19:52] <derp> so go ahead, bone her.
[19:52] <ipatrol> I heard that choclate is more effective than foreplay
[19:52] <Chzz> that's what *she* sai...yeah, well
[19:52] * lar (~wikipedia@wikimedia/lar) Quit (Quit: What is profound to you may not be profound to a Praying Mantis )
[19:53] <Killiondude> Jyothis: done.
[19:54] * TenPoundHammer watches AFHV
[19:54] <Jyothis> Thanks Killiondude
[19:54] <Killiondude> No problem.
[19:54] <Jyothis> :)
[19:54] * derp huggles TenPoundHammer tightly.
[19:54] <ipatrol> Wikitools is by Mr-Z-Man and bjweeks
[19:55] <Jyothis> I am not sure if anyone counts this as a problem ->
[19:56] * closedmouth (~ass@wikipedia/closedmouth) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds )
[19:57] * closedmouth (~ass@wikipedia/closedmouth) has joined #wikipedia-en
[19:57] <Jyothis> @admins
[19:58] <Chzz> Jyothis u know about UAA?
[19:58] <Jyothis> User access admin? :)
[20:00] <Jyothis> Chzz if I have to report each of them there, I may end up being the heaviest user of that ;)
[20:00] <Chzz> Use All Artichokes
[20:00] * TenPoundHammer ( Quit (Quit: It's hammer time! )
[20:00] <Jyothis> lol Chzz :)
[20:01] <Jyothis> one more ->
[20:01] <Killiondude> closedmouth did that already!
[20:01] <Jyothis> ok
[20:01] <Killiondude> :-D
[20:01] <Chzz> Killiondude, 2quick
[20:01] <Chzz> :;
[20:01] <Chzz> scorchio
[20:01] <Killiondude> He's in some sekrit bot channel that picks up on those.
[20:02] * juliancolton (~JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer )
[20:02] * juliancolton (~JC@wikimedia/Juliancolton) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:02] <Jyothis> Killiondude, there is one bot run by me in #swmbtbot that reports all new user creations across wikis
[20:04] * DanielB (~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:06] * McJack (~McJohn@wikipedia/Amorymeltzer) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:06] <Killiondude> /nick McQuack
[20:06] <Ottava> McQuack?
[20:07] <Ottava> Sounds like a new duck sandwich for McDonalds
[20:07] <stwalkerster> heh, my thoughts exactly
[20:07] <Qcoder00> Ottava: And there's something wrong in eating duck?
[20:07] <Ottava> No
[20:07] <Ottava> But there is something amusing in a McQuack sandwich
[20:09] * McJohn (~McJohn@wikipedia/Amorymeltzer) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds )
[20:09] * McJack is now known as McJohn
[20:10] <Killiondude> stwalkerster!!!!!!!1111
[20:12] <Rjd0060> 111
[20:12] <Ottava> 222?
[20:12] <irregardless> 333.
[20:12] <stwalkerster> 333
[20:12] <Ottava> 444
[20:12] <Chzz> That's numberwang
[20:12] <stwalkerster> heh
[20:12] <Ottava> your mom is numberwang!
[20:14] * Killiondude is now known as killiondude
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[20:15] Clones detected from wikipedia/Amorymeltzer: 8 McJohn McJack
[20:16] * McJack (~McJohn@wikipedia/Amorymeltzer) Quit (Client Quit )
[20:18] * McJohn (~McJohn@wikipedia/Amorymeltzer) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds )
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[20:19] * The_Thing (~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be) Quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds )
[20:21] * dungodung is now known as dungodung|sleep
[20:22] * Lollipop is now known as [Soap]
[20:27] <Jyothis> @admins ->
[20:27] <killiondude> thx
[20:27] <Rjd0060> Firebombed.
[20:28] <Jyothis>
[20:28] <Jyothis> one more
[20:28] <Rjd0060> assassinated
[20:28] * DanielB (~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel) Quit (Quit: Leaving )
[20:28] <Jyothis> thanks
[20:28] <Jyothis> :)
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[20:31] * derp huggles Rjd0060 tightly.
[20:31] <Rjd0060> thanks
[20:31] <Rjd0060> or something
[20:32] <Tim1357> Who is this derp?
[20:32] <killiondude> I don't think you're very thankful.
[20:32] <Tim1357> the /whois isn't really helpful. :)
[20:32] <derp> [[User:Fail]]
[20:32] <derp> on and meta
[20:32] <pakaran> cool
[20:32] <Tim1357> Oh, i thought that was a joke!
[20:32] <Rjd0060> Wikipedia/wikimedia/etc. cloaks always have the username :)
[20:32] <killiondude> an admin on wikimaniawiki
[20:32] <Ottava> Cream is derp
[20:32] <pakaran> wikimaniawiki...
[20:32] <derp> hurrrr hurrrr hurrrr hurrrr derp
[20:32] <pakaran> no wonder our portmanetau names confuse the media
[20:33] <derp> pakaran, i'm admin on a bidding wiki
[20:33] <Rjd0060> The winning one.
[20:33] <Rjd0060> :)
[20:33] <pakaran> nice.
[20:34] * derp has plans to take more pics pretty soon.
[20:34] * Stroppolo (~Stroppolo@Wikipedia/Stroppolo) Quit (Quit: Stroppolo )
[20:34] <killiondude> pix
[20:34] <Jyothis> picks
[20:34] <Jyothis> :)
[20:35] * Ottava yawns
[20:35] * Ottava votes for Jyothis for a third time
[20:35] <Ottava> ;/
[20:35] * Jyothis puts a fly into Ottava's mouth :)
[20:35] <derp> Rjd0060, do you like bagels?
[20:35] * Ottava casts a no this time for that : P
[20:35] <Jyothis> lol Ottava, I dont think they could counts it ;)
[20:35] <Rjd0060> I do
[20:36] <derp> what kind is your favorite
[20:36] <Ottava> Rjd0060 probably likes poppy seed
[20:36] <Ottava> ;/
[20:36] <Rjd0060> Are you a real Canadian?  Isn't it favourite?
[20:36] <Ottava> Favoraboot
[20:36] <Rjd0060> I don't know though, plain? :P
[20:36] <Ottava> ;/
[20:36] <derp> meh
[20:36] <derp> :P
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[20:37] * derp sends Rjd0060 some montreal style bagels with poppy seeds.
[20:37] <Ottava> Derp, wut is this aw aboot?
[20:37] <killiondude> abooot.
[20:37] <Jyothis> will this be considered offensive? ->
[20:37] <Ottava> yes
[20:37] <Ottava> to people who can't feel : (
[20:37] <Rjd0060> Not offensive
[20:37] <Jyothis> okies :)
[20:38] <derp> nay<
[20:38] * derp goes gay on Rjd0060
[20:38] <Rjd0060> Rjd0060 doesn't.
[20:39] * Lara|Love (~Lara@wikimedia/Jennavecia) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds )
[20:41] <Ottava> Rjd0060 doesn't like love?
[20:42] <Rjd0060> Not with other males, no.
[20:42] * Rjd0060 is leaving
[20:42] <Ottava> what about with muffins?
[20:42] <Ottava> >.>
[20:42] <Ottava> Muffins <3
[20:44] * derp throws muffins at Rjd0060
[20:44] * derp throws muffins at Ottava
[20:44] <Ottava> omai
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[20:45] * Blurpeace (~Blurpeace@wikimedia/Blurpeace) Quit (Disconnected by services )
[20:45] * Blurredpeace is now known as Blurpeace
[20:46] * Ottava steals all of derp's maple syrup
[20:46] <Ottava> Now you are screwed!
[20:47] <killiondude> his milkshake brings all the trash to the yard
[20:47] <Ottava> ;/
[20:47] * Ottava gives killiondude a muffin
[20:49] * Matthewedwards (~chatzilla@wikipedia/Matthewedwards) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] )
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[20:51] <pakaran> damn right; it's better than YOURS.
[20:53] * Az1568 is now known as otrs
[20:54] <Jyothis> One more guys
[20:55] * Betacommand (~Betacomma@unaffiliated/betacommand) has joined #wikipedia-en
[20:55] <Jyothis> @adioms
[20:56] <Jyothis> @admins
[20:56] <Jyothis> grr
[20:56] <quanticle> !admin ^
[20:56] <Jyothis> Please handle them
[20:56] <Jyothis> thanks quanticle
[20:56] <Jyothis> :)
[20:57] <pakaran> yes?
[20:57] <quanticle> Look at Jyothis' links.
[20:57] <closedmouth> please check if they're already blocked before posting
[20:57] <pakaran> indeed, handling noww
[20:57] <pakaran> and blocked
[20:57] <pakaran> ...
[20:57] <pakaran> for 5 minutes
[20:58] <pakaran> Jyothis, firstly, [[WP:UAA]].
[20:58] <pakaran> it tends to get handled reasonably fast
[20:58] <Ottava> brb
[20:58] <pakaran> secondly, when the user isn't editing (which this one didn't get the chance to) I'm nott sure the watchword was needed
[20:58] * coffee punts quanticle
[20:58] <quanticle> Hey coffee
[20:59] <coffee> you pingzored me
[20:59] <quanticle> I've been off because work got busy.
[20:59] * irregardless 
[20:59] <coffee> O_O
[20:59] * coffee punts irregardless
[20:59] * irregardless coffee
[20:59] <quanticle> coffee: Well, I thought it was required.
[20:59] * coffee .
[21:00] * Jyothis stops tracking user creations log.. :)
[21:00] * quanticle drinks coffee
[21:00] <pakaran> Jyothis, it's not a problem - just I don't see any reason not to use UAA.
[21:01] * irregardless ends you and all you love
[21:01] <pakaran> Especially given that with uck in the name, there's a bott who probably already put it there.
[21:01] * coffee directs Jyothis to #wikipedia-en-alerts
[21:01] <Brian_S> Jyothis, remember my channel logs English blocks
[21:01] <Brian_S> :)
[21:01] <pakaran> coffee, thanks, didn't know about that one.
[21:02] <coffee> np
[21:02] <coffee> Jyothis: those accounts had already showed up at #wikipedia-en-alerts
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[21:02] * Jyothis hands over that responsibility then and types the fine print out :)
[21:03] * derp huggles coffee tightly.
[21:03] <coffee> [19:52:29] <BetacommandBot4> !alert New user [[Special:Block/Fucku2]] (containing bad phrase "")
[21:03] <coffee> derp: herp a derp
[21:04] <pakaran> coffee, i think we're biting at this point, to be honest.
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[21:04] * coffee bites a sammich
[21:04] <coffee> pakaran: I was just attempting to inform Jyothis that he could sit in #wikipedia-en-alerts
[21:04] <pakaran> sorry.
[21:05] * coffee bites pakaran
[21:05] * pakaran sniffles and sits in the corner.
[21:05] * Netalarm looks at coffee and hides under his covers
[21:05] <coffee> Boo!
[21:06] * Netalarm retreats even further and calls for help
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 21:07:37 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 21:07:37 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[21:07] * Disconnected
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 21:07:43 2010

Session Start: Sun Feb 14 21:10:04 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[21:10] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
[21:10] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at | If you need a channel operator, say !op followed by your request, or join #wikimedia-ops | No public logging | For urgent assistance or help, type !admin followed by your request. | IRC community meeting on Feb. 24: '
[21:10] * Set by Rjd0060!~Rjd0060@wikimedia/Rjd0060 on Thu Feb 11 15:44:00
[21:10] [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support:
[21:10] #wikipedia-en url is
[21:10] <Jyothis> Netalarm, just ring your alarm :)
[21:11] <Netalarm> O.o
[21:11] * quanticle sips coffee
[21:11] <Netalarm> Nice idea~
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[21:12] * Netalarm takes out his rusty old air siren and looks at it
[21:12] <Netalarm> nah, havent used it in a long long time
[21:13] * fastily (~fastily@ Quit (Client Quit )
[21:14] <coffee> heh what irony someone I welcomed back a few months ago, I end up blocking now
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[21:14] <coffee>
[21:14] <Jyothis> coffee, thats destiny :)
[21:15] <Jyothis> "one who start shall end it"
[21:16] * DEMO` (~demo` has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:16] * DEMO` is now known as AFRICANMAN
[21:16] <AFRICANMAN> Hello.
[21:16] <AFRICANMAN> black man here.
[21:17] <closedmouth> hey what is up
[21:17] <AFRICANMAN> My wife's clitoris.
[21:17] <AFRICANMAN> How about you?
[21:17] <ipatrol> op?
[21:17] <Brian_S> !op
[21:18] * lol is now known as derp
[21:18] <Brian_S> That's Blackman^
[21:18] <killiondude> I need more evidence.
[21:18] * ChanServ sets mode: +o DanielB
[21:18] * AFRICANMAN (~demo` has left #wikipedia-en
[21:18] <DanielB> that works.
[21:18] * derp huggles DanielB tightly.
[21:18] * ChanServ sets mode: -o DanielB
[21:18] <Jyothis> lol Daedalus969
[21:18] <Jyothis> oops
[21:18] <Jyothis> DanielB
[21:18] <DanielB> im far too slow typing ban commands
[21:18] * AFRICANMAN (~demo` has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:18] <AFRICANMAN> Remember ipatrol, my cock is ready to take you on anytime.
[21:18] * AFRICANMAN (~demo` has left #wikipedia-en
[21:19] <Jyothis> lol, please block him :)
[21:19] <DanielB> yep
[21:19] * ChanServ sets mode: +o DanielB
[21:19] * DanielB sets mode: +b %*!*
[21:19] * ChanServ sets mode: -o DanielB
[21:20] <DanielB> I think that will work. I am an IRC novice relative to most ops
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[21:20] <quanticle> Man, I am so glad that I'm not an op anymore and that people like DanielB get to deal with the crap for me.
[21:20] * TParis00ap ( Quit (Client Quit )
[21:20] * derp huggles quanticle tightly.
[21:20] <closedmouth> eyyo, i'm a black man with an african drum in my chest that beats to the opposite of the right let me know when i got a breath left
[21:21] <quanticle> closedmouth: Is that a song lyric?
[21:21] <Jyothis> that must be a rap song :)
[21:22] <[Soap]> hmm
[21:22] <[Soap]>  we got a guy with swastikas in his sig
[21:22] <[Soap]> he says he's a Buddhist and it's a symbol of peace
[21:22] <[Soap]> which it is
[21:22] <[Soap]> but I suspect he's being deliberately provocative
[21:23] <pakaran> he shows a fair bit of WP knowledge for a real newbie
[21:23] <pakaran> like his use of edit summaries
[21:23] <[Soap]>
[21:24] <pakaran> (also, how is one of 'buddhist descent' as he says in his signature?0
[21:24] <pakaran> my family have been christians for hundreds of years, but i wouldn't call myself of 'christian descent'.
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[21:25] <pakaran> yeah...
[21:25] <pakaran> and who makes their first edit an AFD?
[21:25] <pakaran>
[21:25] <[Soap]> betchu Main Edge and the fake anti-Nazi are socks
[21:26] <[Soap]> they were created 1 hour apart
[21:26] <pakaran> are we close to having cause for an SPI, though?
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[21:28] * Christian75_ ( Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.8/20100202165920] )
[21:29] <quanticle> [Soap]: Actually the Swastika was a Hindu symbol long before it was a Buddhist symbol.  If you go to India today, you'll still see swastikas all over the place.
[21:29] <[Soap]> I know
[21:29] <[Soap]> Im not dumb
[21:30] <[Soap]> but even people who've lived their whole lives in India and never met Westerners irl generally know of the other meaning of the symbol and that Westerners are often sensitive about it
[21:31] <Digicrime> can somebody help me?
[21:31] * The_Thing (~nnscript@wikipedia/The-Thing-That-Should-Not-Be) has joined #wikipedia-en
[21:32] <Digicrime> with editing?
[21:32] <Digicrime> anyone?
[21:33] * Chzz is now known as Not_Chzz_honest
[21:33] * DanielB (~Daniel@wikimedia/Daniel) Quit (Quit: Leaving )
[21:33] * Jyothis is now known as [J^J]
[21:34] <Digicrime> anyone???
[21:36] <[J^J]> whats wring Digicrime?
[21:37] * Tiptoety|away is now known as Tiptoety
[21:37] <Digicrime> when i edit that box that has like bold, itaclizcieze, nowiki, find box, insert picture, etc. doesn't appear
Session Close: Sun Feb 14 21:37:44 2010

Friday, January 17, 2020

Not-Wikipedia: Ham Radio Racists and Loons of the 75 Meter Band

One of the elements of amateur ("ham") radio that isn't really known outside the hobby is that there are certain frequencies that are considered unusable, not because of electromagnetic issues, but because of the ham operators that use it. Over at the Wikipedia Sucks! forum I began a thread on the 147.435 megahertz repeater in Los Angeles that blurred into a discussion of what goes on in the so-called "75 meter band" (3810 kHz-4000 kHz), which is the top portion of the 80 meter band, which begins at 3.500 kilohertz. I don't want to make this more technical than it needs to be, but 75 meters is the part of the band that mid-level ("General class") amateur operators can use for voice communication, most commonly through AM mode or lower sideband, though you can do Morse code throughout all the shortwave bands. What has happened to 75 meters since the 1990s is a degeneration into Citizens' Band (11 meters) style behavior, with jamming, operating without stating FCC-given station call letters, cursing, and the occasional racial epithet. Some of this stuff has to be heard to be believed.

3840 kHz is the ruins of a former Art Bell hangout (I think) that existed at 3845. This is where William Crowell holds court with a number of less-than-stellar operators, all of them Amateur Extras, which means (in America) that they are the top level of amateur radio - they passed all three of the multiple choice tests and they have years of experience. Crowell himself was an Advanced operator (a grandfathered-in sub-Amateur Extra level) when former FCC ham radio overseer Riley Hollingsworth locked Crowell's license in 2007 between his old callsign N6AYJ and the vanity callsign W6WBJ, hoping that he would go away after causing years of issues at the Art Bell frequency. Did I mention that Crowell is an ex-lawyer? So he should know that using the W6WBJ callsign for a decade and counting while jamming the three-nights-a-week Western Amateur Radio Friendship Association (WARFA) net all because Moody T. Law (WQ6I) is involved with WARFA (and Law had been an on-air associate of Art Bell for a number of years) - that such behavior would look pretty awful in a court of law. If Mr. Law were to resign from WARFA, the jamming on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays might end....or not, Crowell has nowhere else to go, he has spent a decade-plus jamming this one ham radio net.

Crowell talks to a number of people on 3840, many of them with long histories of similar behavior...

(post under construction.)

Tuesday, December 31, 2019

More IRC stuff: New Years' Day 2012

Here to annoy Reddit's r/WikiInAction, more #wikipedia-en IRC logs.

Session Start: Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 2012
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
[00:00] <darkfalls> TParis: The article is sourced. Just not inline.
[00:00] <Gfoley4> turn to ESPN right now if you want to see something really cool
[00:00] <Pancetta> WOOOO
[00:00] <Pancetta> OWOOOo
[00:00] <Pancetta> WOOOOOOO
[00:01] <TParis> darkfalls: WP:V calls for inline citations.  It's not a strong oppose, but the other articles contribute to the oppose.
[00:02] <darkfalls> TParis: I don't believe the material can be considered something "challenged or likely to be challenged"
 06[00:03] * darkfalls shrugs
[00:03] <kylu> ...and my neighbors are going nuts with the guns and fireworks
[00:04] <lucasoutloud> I wish I had a giant glitter cannon that left a 50 yard trail.
[00:05] <TParis> darkfalls: Honestly, I've got other gripes.  That article doesn't pass [[WP:GNG]] either.
[00:05] <TParis> One of the refs appears to be trivial coverage.
[00:06] <darkfalls> his book is notable
[00:07] <TParis> Notability isnt inherited...
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[00:07] <TParis> Were a lot of his books notable?
[00:08] <darkfalls> TParis: [[WP:ARTIST]] #4
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[00:08] <TParis> Umm, not sure how #4 applies
[00:09] <darkfalls> his work has significant critical attention
[00:09] <TParis> c maybe?
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[00:10] <TParis> Alright, so why haven't those refs been included by an editor seeking an RFA?  That seems basic to me.
[00:10] <Gfoley4> TParis: might want to clear up what article you're talking about. "Road Trip" is a disamb
[00:10] <darkfalls> probably an example of anglo bias tbh, lack of english sources etc.
[00:11] <TParis> Gfoley4: Wow, the capitization of the "t" makes a difference.  Ehh, that doesnt seem right to me
[00:12] <darkfalls> TParis: Yeah I realised that yesterday
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[00:12] <darkfalls> I was like wtf, when I saw two different articles that had the same title
[00:13] <TParis> darkfalls: Is that yesterday as in a few minutes ago cause it's midnight on the east coast or yesterday as in like 24 hours ago?
[00:13] <CRRaysHead90> happy new year east coasters!
[00:14] <darkfalls> yesterday meaning any time within 48 hrs of now
[00:14] <darkfalls> considering it's probably the 30th when it happened
[00:14] <darkfalls> ;)
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[00:14] <foks> It was new year on the east coast 17hours ago!
[00:14] <foks> #australia
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[00:15] <CRRaysHead90> East coast north america*
[00:15] <LauraHale> America =/= World
[00:16] <CRRaysHead90> never said it did
[00:16] <LauraHale> Always define so the rest of the world knows what you're talking about with out thinking you're one of those idiots from the USA who assumes the world will revolve around you. :)
[00:16] <foks> whoa whoa
[00:16] <foks> he just said happy new year!
[00:17] <foks> chillax :3
[00:18] <Gfoley4> Rather ironic that there is a music show going on in California celebrating the new year - even though it would be 2012 for 3 hours there
[00:18] <Bsadowski1> I wonder what edit was first made in 2012 on Wikipedia.
[00:18] <TParis> Well we already know what the first article was
[00:19] <CRRaysHead90> I don't think the world revolves around us, LauraHale, I'm just used to talking to people in my continent so don't usually have to specify
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[00:19] <CRRaysHead90> chill :)
[00:19] <LauraHale> On IRC, never safe to make that assumption unless you're in a place that is specifically for Americans. :)
[00:19] <TParis>
[00:19] <TParis> First article of 2012
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[00:20] <darkfalls> ewww
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[00:22] <darkfalls> Shirik: troll.
[00:22] <Shirik> :(
[00:22] <Shirik> what
[00:22] <darkfalls> You made me click that oppose.
[00:22] <Shirik> ha
[00:22] <darkfalls> dirty troll.
[00:23] <Shirik> it's Gfoley4's fault
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[00:23] <Shirik> it was his rationale, but he refused to use it, so I did instead
[00:23] <Gfoley4> haha
[00:23] <Gfoley4> fair enough
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[00:41] <unfo> hi all.  I think it'd be nice if {{cite news}} would take a "type=" parameter, which could be "letter", "editorial", "Celebrity Sightings column", or similar.  Does this seem sensible to you too?
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[00:44] <Thorncrag> unfo: Seems reasonable, I would post your suggestion to so that it can be discussed
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[00:48] <unfo> Thorncrag:  Makes sense.  Thank you.
[00:48] <unfo> Dear all:  {{Citation}} already has a "type=" parameter, which sometimes maps to {{citation/core}}'s "TitleType=" parameter.  But for periodical articles, it does not map to anything in {{citation/core}}.  Is anyone here already familiar with the ultra-complicated guts of {{citation/core}} and might be able to take a look please?
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[00:49] <Gfoley4> yeah, I doubt you'd find much response on IRC tbh. Probably best to post at that link
[00:50] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> bleh I went home my phone is lagging 20 minutes between texts so i have no idea where any of my friends at, and my nightclub job is an block from home :(
[00:52] <Gfoley4> that would be a bummer
[00:52] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> and I'm broke and some of the places where friends are at I have to pay or I'm not sure because 20 minutes between texts :?
[00:52] <matthewrbowker> That is strange
[00:52] <Silvester> Gfoley4, 7 minutes :D
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[00:53] <Gfoley4> ;d
[00:53] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> matthewrbowker i think it's because everyone is texting or calling in new years eve in miami that phone lines are overloaded
[00:54] <unfo> Aranda|zzzzzzzzz:  The SMS problem sounds very frustrating.  But why go clubbing in the first place?  Does it really bring you long-lasting happiness?  :)
[00:54] <Silvester> unfo, he works there
[00:54] <log> Two hours!
[00:55] <Silvester> 5 minutes :D
[00:55] <unfo> Silvester:  if he works there, I would've thought he can speak with his colleagues by phone.  Unless the club is too loud.
[00:55] <lucasoutloud> MY BODY IS READY
[00:55] <log> lucasoutloud: tmi
[00:55] <lucasoutloud> log: Do you not know of that meme?
[00:55] <Gfoley4> log is also ready
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[00:56] <SigmaWP> To log?
[00:56] <Silvester> 3 minutes :D
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[00:57] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> anywhere between a 13 to 24 minute log for texts phone calls working fine but who will pick up a phone call in a night club :/
[00:57] <Silvester> 2 minutes :D
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[00:58] <unfo> Why do clubs play such loud music anyway?
[00:59] <SigmaWP> log: Go to sleep.
[00:59] <lucasoutloud> ONE MINUTE
[00:59] <lucasoutloud> MY BODY IS READDDDDY
[00:59] <log> SigmaWP: Why?
[00:59] <SigmaWP> You ought to be sleeping now.
[00:59] <Ironholds> so should I
[00:59] <SigmaWP> o.O
[00:59] <SigmaWP> Ironholds: It's like 5 AM in the UK
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[01:00] <Bsadowski1> w00t
[01:00] <Bsadowski1> It's 2012 for me!
[01:00] <Bsadowski1> \o/
[01:00] <lucasoutloud> NEW YEAR AWW SHIT
[01:00] <Silvester> happy fucking new year!
[01:00] <log> SigmaWP: It's only 10 PM.
[01:00] <Bsadowski1> That's what I said earlier
[01:00] <log> But thanks for your concern.
[01:00] <SigmaWP> log: Ah, on vacation.
[01:00] <Bsadowski1> Happy fucking New Year!
[01:00] <Aranda|zzzzzzzzz> I also came home to change I poured alcohol over my Lacote cashmere sweater :'(
[01:00] <log> Bsadowski1: Behave, please.
[01:01] <Silvester> hah
[01:01] <SigmaWP> log: School starts in two days (PST). Are you sure you'll adjust time zones in time?
[01:01] <Ironholds> SigmaWP: yup
[01:01] <log> SigmaWP: Stalker.
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[01:02] <SigmaWP> log: No, everyone knows that UTC-8 = 10 PM
[01:02] <log> That's not what I meant. ;P
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[01:02] <Cloveapple> I just entered the new year, so happy new year all
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[01:02] <log> I'm going to be suffering from a ton of jet lag, yes.
[01:03] <Bsadowski1> It doesn't feel like 2012 for me.
[01:03] <Bsadowski1> :(
[01:04] <Cloveapple> maybe you're still stuck in 2011 Bsadowski1
[01:04] <TParis> Yay, it's 2012 here
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[01:05] <Silvester> probably not
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[01:05] <TParis> negative :P
[01:06] <Silvester> so Wisconsin or Illinois...
[01:06] <SigmaWP> Illinois coal balls :D :D :D
[01:07] <Pancetta> ILLANOY!
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[01:07] <Ironholds> ugh
[01:08] <Ironholds> you know what I hate these days?
[01:08] <Gfoley4> da bears
[01:08] <log> England
[01:08] <Ironholds> no, I'm fine with both of those
[01:08] <Cloveapple> what's wrong Ironholds ?
[01:08] <Silvester> apples
[01:08] <Ironholds> I hate that when I see someone being nice to new users, I notice
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[01:10] <Cloveapple> you didn't know that all new users are vandals bent on destroying WP?
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[01:10] <Ryulong> ( ´_ゝ`)
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[01:10] <Ironholds> Cloveapple: more "people being nice should be run-of-the-mill"
[01:10] <Silvester> log, ^
[01:10] <Cloveapple> I agree
[01:10] <Ayan_> I'm a nice wikipedia helper.
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[01:11] <Earwig> Sigh.
[01:11] <Shirik> !ops
[01:11] <Shirik> I lose
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[01:11] <log> Hi.
[01:11] <Silvester> log, kick Shirik for abusing the stalkword
[01:11] <IShadowed> yes
[01:11] <IShadowed> kick him, kick him now
[01:11] <Ironholds> and kick Silvester for rabble-rousing. and then kick yourself for abusing your ops powers.
[01:11] <log> Ironholds: <3
[01:11] <Ironholds> I used to be an op. then I took an arrow in the knee.
[01:12] <IShadowed> ..
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[01:12] <Gumruch> Hello, can any sysop create protected and
[01:12] <IShadowed> to, you bastard
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[01:12] <IShadowed> it's TO the knee
[01:12] <Shirik> Gumruch: What do you need?
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[01:12] <Silvester> IShadowed, he used to care, but then he took an arrow to the knee.
[01:12] <Ryulong> I had someone fail to assume good faith of me because I proposed that a film's article be moved because the title features a full stop at the end that no one seems to have noticed in the 4 years that it's been out
[01:12] <IShadowed> much better
[01:12] <kylu>
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[01:13] <Gumruch> Shirik: sorry; protected Category:2012 deaths and delete unproper Category:Deaths in 2012
[01:13] <Gumruch> Shirik: there are already 2 articles in it and many interwikis
[01:13] <Shirik> sure
[01:14] <log> People died already? That's depressing.
[01:14] <Shirik> how about I just unprotect it?
[01:14] <Shirik> and you can do it
[01:14] <Gumruch> Shirik: ok, thanks
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[01:16] <Shirik> meh, I just created it with basic text
[01:16] <Shirik> you can make it look not sucky
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[01:16] <Sp33dyphil> hey SigmaWP
[01:17] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Hi
[01:17] <Gumruch> Shirik: done, thanks for cooperation, bye
[01:17] <SigmaWP> Gumruch: See ya
[01:17] <SigmaWP> And happy holidays
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[01:19] <Ryulong> I also believe I should not be reprimanded by someone who cannot spell "vandalism" properly
[01:20] <matthewrbowker> ^
[01:21] <Ryulong> sources
[01:22] <Ryulong> damn it wrong 2nd URL
[01:22] <Ryulong>
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[01:23] <Ryulong> wtf is his deal
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[01:27] <darkfalls> kylu: that poor dweeb :(
[01:28] <kylu> when more chumps quote skyrim than have quoted it, it's time for the fucking meme to die.
[01:28] <Ryulong> *played
[01:28] <kylu> that too, but I was more thinking "quote" versus "heard it" really.
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[01:29] <kylu> anyway, g'ni, happy new year, w/e
[01:31] <darkfalls> night kylu
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[01:36] <Ryulong> Japan had an earthquake about an hour ago
[01:37] <Silvester> yes old news
[01:40] <Shirik> yeah got a USGS alert about it a while ago, took a screenshot and sent a text to my parents saying "what a great way to start off the new year"
[01:40] <log> Ironholds: oh, right, saw your e-mail
[01:40] <Ironholds> log: too late! :P
[01:40] <Shirik> I debated making a 2012 end-of-the-world joke, but figured I shouldn't go there quite yet
[01:40] <log> the chunk ID apparently doesn't exist anymore
[01:40] <log> :P
[01:40] <Ironholds> I did it because you weren't around ;p
[01:40] <Ryulong> I wish I got alerts from the geological survey
[01:41] <Shirik> you can...
[01:41] <log> sorry, I'm on vacation
[01:41] <Ironholds> log: that's okay!
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[01:41] <log> a bit busy
[01:41] <Ironholds> ugh. sleeeep.
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[01:41] <SigmaWP> Took a while
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[01:41] <Shirik>
[01:41] <SigmaWP> He will be waking up in 2 or 3 hours anyway
[01:41] <SigmaWP> I'm off
[01:41] <SigmaWP> Wait...
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[01:41] <Ryulong> also
[01:41] <SigmaWP> Bye
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[01:41] <Shirik> Ryulong, don't you live in Japan?
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[01:42] <Ryulong> no
[01:42] <Shirik> You have that crazy chime chime thingy right?
[01:42] <Shirik> oh
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[01:42] <Ryulong> I'm in Miami trick
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[01:42] <Ryulong> I mean palm beach
[01:42] <darkfalls> Ryulong doesn't live, he exists.
[01:42] <Ryulong> an old woman died in a house fire in Kagoshima Prefecture
[01:43] <Shirik> Japan has the coolest sounding alert. In the US we have that evil sounding EAS SAME tone, and in Japan it's like "oh that sounds beautiful OH WAIT HIT THE DECK"
[01:43] <Ryulong> and there was an arson in Tochigi, but no one died
[01:43] <Ryulong> *84 year old woman
[01:44] <Shirik>
[01:44] <Shirik> love that sound
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[01:47] <unfo> Ryulong:  a good friend of just moved back to Japan.  I don't have his new phone number, although it may be on his university's math faculty site.  All I have is his email.  Do you think it's important that I contact him and check if he's OK?
[01:47] <unfo> *a good friend of mine
[01:47] <unfo> Shirik:
[01:47] <unfo> ^
[01:48] <Ryulong> it's only a 7.0
[01:48] <Shirik> it was also pretty deep
[01:48] <IShadowed> TWSS
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[01:48] <foks> And about 150miles away
[01:49] <Shirik> the alert I got said 348 km deep 31.416N 138.155E, 241 km (150 miles) SW (220 degrees) of Hachijo-jima, Izu Islands, Japan
[01:52] <foks> where are you again?
[01:52] <Shirik> me?
[01:53] <Shirik> unfo said it was his friend living out there
[01:53] <Shirik> I just live on the west coast
[01:54] <foks> Ah.
[01:54] <foks> West Coast US, I assume.
[01:54] <foks> And not the West Coast I live on.
[01:55] <Silvester> I was going to go to bed, but then I took-- a look outside and saw how windy it was
[01:55] <foks> :P
[01:56] <Silvester> but really
[01:56] <foks> Annoyingly there's no wind here.
[01:56] <Silvester> it's really windy
[01:56] <foks> At least it's not too bad heat-wise
[01:56] <Silvester> NWS says up to 75 mph gusts
[01:56] <Shirik> that's fun
[01:56] <foks> heh
[01:56] <foks> Scotland was getting that a few weeks back
[01:56] <foks> Tales of woe
[01:56] <Shirik> I live in an area where it's windy all the time, but 75 is still pretty crazy
[01:56] <Silvester> plus
[01:57] <Silvester> my house is really high
[01:57] <Shirik> actually when it's not really windy we start getting weather alerts, lol
[01:57] <Silvester> like, probably the highest area in town
[01:57] <Silvester> so it gets really windy
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[01:57] <Shirik> "air stagnation advisory"
[01:58] <Shirik> 75 is pretty intense though
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[01:59] <unfo> Ryulong:  Shirik:  ah.  I see there's nothing major to worry about.
[01:59] <unfo> "Buildings in the Tokyo area shook but there were no immediate reports of damage or injuries.  Express trains in northern and central Japan were suspended temporarily for safety checks but later resumed."
[01:59] <unfo> --
[01:59] <unfo> Thank you.
[02:00] <Shirik> Their trains actually stop automatically, it's pretty cool
[02:00] <Shirik> J-Wave automatically terminates the trains
[02:00] <log> Gfoley4
[02:00] <Shirik> sorry not J-Wave
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[02:00] <Shirik> whatever that chime thingy is
[02:01] <Shirik> this thing:
[02:01] <Shirik> J-Alert that's it
[02:01] <Gfoley4> oh, trains
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[02:03] <Shirik> Japanese have all the technology I wish we had :(
[02:04] <Silvester> they also have creepy things i'm glad we don't have
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[02:19] <TheCuriousGnome> Where in Wikipedia can I get assistance in translation? I need help translating a short piece of text in Arabic.
[02:20] <Shirik> there's a template for that
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[02:20] <Shirik>
[02:21] <The359> Wait, according to that, the J-Alert automatically turns on all televisions and radios and tunes them to one station in the affected area
[02:21] <The359> Really?
[02:22] <Shirik> I don't live there, I know significantly less about J-Alert than I do about EAS, but I think it just pops up over the broadcast
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[02:22] <The359> If tsunami warnings are issued, the Emergency Warning Broadcast system breaks into the signal and automatically turns on all radios and televisions in the warned areas tuned to NHK at the time the system is activated, so that the warnings are received properly.
[02:22] <The359> That sentence is odd
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[02:23] <Pancetta> EAS!!!!
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[02:23] <LauraHale> I thought they said no tsunami warnings for that 7.0
[02:23] <Shirik> there aren't
[02:23] <Shirik> we're just talking about the alert system they use
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[02:25] <Shirik> I mean I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult. EAS can turn on radios.
[02:25] <Shirik> though I guess for some definition they're already "on"
[02:25] <Silvester> Shirik, It can?
[02:25] <Shirik> sure
[02:26] <Silvester> not if the physical switch is turned off though
[02:26] <Shirik> that tone at the beginning of a message is actually digitally encoded information a radio can use to determine if it should turn on and play the alert
[02:26] <Shirik> well yeah
[02:26] <Shirik> basically the radio is just listening silently
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[02:26] <Silvester> so...
[02:26] <The359> So if the EAS goes off and my car radio is off, it'll turn it on?
[02:27] <Shirik> no, only radios that know how to interpret it
[02:27] <Silvester> How is a radio listening if it's off?
[02:27] <zscout370> Shirik, for the EAS, the broadcast is replaced with a vocal alert and on the TV, a banner.
[02:27] <Pancetta> It's scary as hell too
[02:27] <Gfoley4> so, Imma stop stalking "alert"
[02:27] <Shirik> zscout370: Not sure what that was in response to
[02:28] <Shirik> Silvester: OK take my weather radio for example, when I turn it off, it actually is still sitting there listening to the channel for any EAS activation
[02:28] <Shirik> if it receives one, it decodes it, and if it matches my settings, it turns on and plays the alert
[02:28] <zscout370> Shirik, responding to your comment on how the EAS comes up during a broadcast at 01:22 (according to my timestamp)
[02:28] <Silvester> zscout370, My cable provider breaks into channels with some creepy old man voice saying "PLEASE TUNE TO CABLE CHANNEL TWENTY-TWO FOR MORE EMERGENCY ALERT INFORMATION"
[02:28] <Pancetta> Can radios turn themselves on upon receiving the SAME header? I thought that was only NOAA Weather Radio-type devices.
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[02:28] <Pancetta> And even then, the device has to be physically turned on.
[02:28] <Silvester> Shirik, Well, I knew that.
[02:28] <Silvester> But not like a normal radio
[02:28] <Shirik> right
[02:28] <Shirik> sorry, that's all I meant
[02:28] <zscout370> Silvester, ours just displays the warnings and hear a strange voice. For the radio, they switch to a TV broadcast.
[02:29] <Shirik> zscout370: I was referring to J-Alert there
[02:29] <zscout370> ah
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[02:30] <Silvester> zscout370, They also switched over to digital, not just over the air digital, but totally digital cable too, I think the EAS has something to do with it
[02:30] <Silvester> But now they CHARGE you for the cable box you have to use.
[02:30] <Silvester> And you have to use their boxes
[02:30] <Shirik> wasn't that a nationwide thing?
[02:30] <Silvester> Shirik, OTA was
[02:30] <Silvester> but actual cable wasn't
[02:31] <zscout370> Silvester, I don't have a box in my home and when I am at school, I just leach off of the school's system.
[02:31] <Silvester>
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[02:31] <Silvester> "There is no cost for our customers. Mediacom will provide free digital adapters for any customer who requires this equipment in order to receive digital signals." so why do I see a charge for 6 converter boxes
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[02:33] <Silvester> mediacom is just a horrible company
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[02:33] <zscout370> Cox at home, I believe Suddenlink when at school
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[02:36] <Shirik> fun
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[02:37] <barts1a> always is
[02:37] <Silvester> and we set a record for snowfall
[02:38] <Silvester> a record low
[02:38] <barts1a> Meh; australia had the usual zero
[02:38] <Silvester> with a grand total of .8 inches since October
[02:38] <Silvester> eh, that's not a record low
[02:38] <Silvester> but it's low
[02:39] <foks> We have no idea where you are
[02:39] <Silvester> normally we have somewhere around 10 inches by now
[02:39] <zscout370> surprised Arkansas did not get snow so far
[02:39] <Silvester> iowa
[02:39] <Pancetta> lowa
[02:39] <Pancetta> lndana
[02:39] <Pancetta> lndiana*
[02:39] <SigmaWP> Indiana-ian coal balls :D
[02:39] <SigmaWP> Silvester: What state are you in?
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[02:39] <Silvester> oh, Pancetta = harej
[02:40] <barts1a> SigmaWP: How goes the hear-tear... I mean FA writing?
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[02:40] <barts1a> *hair
[02:40] <Pancetta> oh, Silvester = pilif12p
[02:40] <Silvester> i was worried that you were some creepy person stalking me
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[02:40] <barts1a> ...
[02:40] <Pancetta> You didn't see what I did there. Instead of typing capital-i, I did lowercase-L.
[02:40] <barts1a> Man, conversations derail quicker
[02:41] <Silvester> i noticed
[02:41] <barts1a> *quickly
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[02:41] <SigmaWP> Silvester: If you live in Herrin, Illinois, please fetch a coal ball from the local coal seams and take a picture of it
[02:41] <Silvester> this font makes it easy to notice
[02:41] <Silvester> I has the things across the top
[02:41] <SigmaWP> Silvester: And if you know how, you can apply the liquid-peel technique to analyse its contents
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[02:41] <TheCuriousGnome> Where in Wikipedia can I get assistance in translation? I need help translating a short piece of text in Arabic.
[02:41] <Silvester> l has something going to the left on the top, and right on the bottom
[02:42] <tashir> does anyone know where to get the numeric data for the enwp line on ?
[02:42] <zscout370> TheCuriousGnome,
[02:42] <tashir> monthly, preferably?
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[02:45] <barts1a> Could someone please block for a little while for repeatedly and knowing edit warring against consensus on [[Michael (album)]]?
[02:46] <Ryulong> no
[02:46] <Ryulong> ( `ー´)
[02:46] <SigmaWP> ^
[02:47] <Ryulong> ( `ー´) the world
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[02:49] <foks> the iPod's Japanese keyboard has loads of japanese emoticons on it.
[02:49] <foks> awesome
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[02:50] <barts1a> Do you think the reverts to studio were good faith as well?
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[02:55] <unfo> Thorncrag:  Gfoley4:  I just posted at .  Thanks for your advice and have a good night.
[02:55] <Gfoley4> ok, cool
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[02:58] <barts1a> *consensus
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[03:01] <log> Happy New Year, West Coast USA!
[03:01] <matthewrbowker> barts1a: No, but I walked in mid-conversation so I don't know what to say
[03:01] <SigmaWP> Oh, it's already time
[03:01] <SigmaWP> Heh
[03:01] <SigmaWP> Didn't notice, was too busy
[03:03] <foks> Happy new year, seattle, los angeles, san diego, and all the other less important cities i've forgotten about
[03:03] <barts1a> It's 4:04 PM where I am
[03:03] <barts1a> on January 1 2012
[03:03] <foks> Yes, same
[03:03] <foks> Since we're, y'know, in the same city
[03:03] <barts1a> oh yeah...
[03:04] <foks> :P
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[03:09] <LtNOWIS> Hmm. Looks like the opposition party won in Jamaica.
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[03:10] <OlEnglish> happy new year everyone
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[03:11] <OlEnglish> (PST)
[03:11] <barts1a> ah... it's finally apoco-year in PST
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[03:11] <OlEnglish> hehe
[03:11] <OlEnglish> :)
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[03:28] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: Hi
[03:29] <SigmaWP> Hi
[03:29] <wctaiwan> Hello.
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[03:31] <SigmaWP> Pine: Hi
[03:31] <Pine> Hi Sigma, happy new year
[03:31] <SigmaWP> :D
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[03:32] <Pine> Want a slice of cake, Sigma?
[03:33] <SigmaWP> Yay!
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[03:34] <Pine> LauraHale, want a slice?
[03:34] <LauraHale> Sure. :)
[03:34] <LauraHale> I like cake. :D
[03:35] <matthewrbowker> Wikicake :)
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[03:36] <LauraHale> :D
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[03:36] <LauraHale> Hello Seven of Nine. :D
[03:36] <wctaiwan> poisoning editors in the park...
[03:36] <wctaiwan> we'll murder them all amid laughter and merriment, 'cept for the few we give to arbcom to experiment...
[03:37] <Pine> wctaiwan we need to retain editors, not poison them
[03:37] <matthewrbowker> wctaiwan: that's ... dark
[03:37] <wctaiwan> matthewrbowker: It's "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park" by [[Tom Lehrer]]
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[03:38] <matthewrbowker> wctaiwan: Interesting ...
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[03:41] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: I got a toolserver acc :D
[03:41] <wctaiwan> congratulations
[03:41] <barts1a> great... what does it do?
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[03:41] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: Noooooooo...
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[03:41] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: That mean you got your bot working?
[03:42] <wctaiwan> it was working a few days back
[03:42] <wctaiwan> I saw it at work :P
[03:42] <matthewrbowker> Yay
[03:42] <SigmaWP> :D
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[03:43] <SigmaWP> :(
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[03:44] <Betacommand> Pine: arbcom has no control over the toolserver
[03:44] <Pine> barts1a, check if Sigma replaced all your watchlist icons with Soviet flags.
[03:44] <matthewrbowker> Betacommand: They can block the bots :P
[03:44] <barts1a> Pine: no such misfortune
[03:45] <Betacommand> matthewrbowker: But I can still use the database..........
[03:45] <barts1a> and WP:BEANS
[03:45] <matthewrbowker> True...
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[03:45] <Betacommand> select * from user where user_name = 'matthewrbowker';
[03:45] <wctaiwan> drop user;
[03:45] <SigmaWP> ah, never bothered to learn sql
[03:46] <wctaiwan> drop table user; ***
[03:46] <Betacommand> wctaiwan: dont want to drop all users
[03:46] <wctaiwan> but I do :P
[03:46] <SigmaWP> drop user where?
[03:46] <SigmaWP> Off the edge of a cliff? :P
[03:46] <wctaiwan> it'd take the current database if you don't specify, SigmaWP
[03:46] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: In SQL-talk, drop == delete
[03:46] <wctaiwan> ^
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[03:47] <wctaiwan>
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[03:47] <matthewrbowker> *whale
[03:47] <wctaiwan> a wale?
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[03:47] <SigmaWP> :O
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[03:48] <barts1a> I win
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[03:48] <Betacommand> I win
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[03:48] <barts1a> I think now
[03:48] <barts1a> *not
[03:49] <Betacommand> barts1a: too late
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[03:53] <matthewrbowker> d'aww
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[03:56] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: How do you think [[Portal:Computer_programming]] is doing?
[03:56] <wctaiwan> I don't really look at Portal: at all.
[03:56] <wctaiwan> it's also hideous and unreadable :/
[03:56] <SigmaWP> :(
[03:56] <wctaiwan> I assume you want honest opinions.
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[03:57] <SigmaWP> OK
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[03:57] <SigmaWP> Trying to get it to FP
[03:57] <wctaiwan> um
[03:57] <wctaiwan> no, not saying you should remove it
[03:57] <wctaiwan> but blue links on black backgrounds?
[03:57] <wctaiwan> :?
[03:57] <wctaiwan> :/
[03:57] <SigmaWP> Gray goes with everything
[03:57] <matthewrbowker> Dude, blue on black is terrible :(
[03:58] <SigmaWP> matthewrbowker: Should I wrap all the links in a span?
[03:58] <wctaiwan> You can't change link styles without directly changing the stylesheet anyway.
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[03:58] <wctaiwan> just... maintain the wikipedia look
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[03:59] <SigmaWP> Hm... if only divs took !important
[03:59] <wctaiwan> a little customisation à la main page is fine, but don't try to create an HTML world of your own.
[03:59] <foks> Eww, no, go with a grey background
[03:59] <foks> a light grey
[03:59] <matthewrbowker> ^
[03:59] <wctaiwan> foks: what's wrong with white?
[03:59] <matthewrbowker> Yeah, that's pretty bad
[03:59] <matthewrbowker> wctaiwan: Portals want their own feel ... unfortunatly
[03:59] <wctaiwan> :|
[04:00] <wctaiwan> at least don't make it ugly
[04:00] <foks> White isn't really portally
[04:00] <wctaiwan> also, that logo you have for Apple Inc. isn't current, and I'm not sure MS still uses the one you chose.
[04:00] <wctaiwan> "portally"
[04:00] <wctaiwan> OK :P
[04:00] <foks> [[Portal:English football]] is one I got to FPo years ago
[04:00] <SigmaWP> wctaiwan: I didn't choose that
[04:01] <foks> Hell, the Microsoft portal looks nice
[04:01] <SigmaWP> foks: Fortunately, my userpage has many shades of gray :D
[04:01] <wctaiwan> It looks inoffensive.
[04:01] <wctaiwan> your face is many shades of grey.
[04:02] <foks> My English football one is red
[04:02] <foks> but like, red with light red
[04:03] <matthewrbowker> foks: That doesn't look bad
[04:03] <matthewrbowker> SigmaWP: At least make the links grey
[04:03] <foks> you can't do that
[04:03] <SigmaWP> Right
[04:03] <matthewrbowker> ?? It's disabled in stylesheets?
[04:03] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP: look at their logos. No slanted M on blue there.
[04:04] <wctaiwan> matthewrbowker: you can't change stylesheets.
[04:04] <wctaiwan> (except your own)
[04:04] <matthewrbowker> ah
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[04:04] <foks> There really is no need to change the link colour
[04:04] <SigmaWP> Someone put {{Boxheader|border=#7878790|titlebackground=#bbb|titleforeground=#000|title{{{title|Foobar}}}|border=lightgray|background=#edf1f1|foreground=black}} in a sandbox
[04:04] <foks> just make the background paler
[04:04] <wctaiwan> you cannot set selectors (? can't remember the right term) without stylesheets since style="" only affects the style of an element, not an element in a certain state.
[04:04] <SigmaWP> foks: ^
[04:04] <foks> why don't you
[04:04] <SigmaWP> because you can't see what is on my preview screen
[04:05] <wctaiwan> also, design is making something readable and pleasant to look at.
[04:05] <wctaiwan> the wow factor really doesn't matter at all on wikipedia :/
[04:05] <foks> wctaiwan, does with portals :(
[04:05] <SigmaWP> Mhmm
[04:06] <SigmaWP> It's one of the featured portal criteria
[04:06] <wctaiwan> *sigh*
[04:06] <foks> speaking of I should probably update my FPo
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[04:06] <foks> wctaiwan, sorry
[04:06] <wctaiwan> use light-* colours then, please.
[04:06] <SigmaWP> foks: After you help me
[04:06] <SigmaWP> OK
[04:06] <wctaiwan> foks: nothing to be sorry about :P
[04:06] <SigmaWP> How about gray?
[04:06] <wctaiwan> sure.
[04:06] <wctaiwan> just put readability above distinctiveness
[04:06] <matthewrbowker> ^
[04:06] <wctaiwan> and _please_ don't use #00FF00 on #000000 :P
[04:07] <wctaiwan> (for that matrix look)
[04:07] <SigmaWP> >_>
[04:07] <foks> lmao
[04:07] <foks> text: #000000
[04:07] <matthewrbowker> Ew ew ew ew ew :(
[04:07] <wctaiwan> example:
[04:07] <foks> Background: #DDDDDD
[04:07] <foks> There.
[04:07] <foks> Or perhaps E3E3E3
[04:07] <Aranda56> one of the worst new years eve ever, i need to safe up money really bad I didn't go anywhere other than my boring ass nightclub job, some bar, and another nightclub job in which i got the hookup though everyone i knew was in vip and I couldn't get a band so i was mostly alone :'(
[04:07] <foks> Or maybe you like green!
[04:07] <wctaiwan> your preciseness is interesting, foks :P
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[04:08] <foks> And maybe go with an E1E1FE
[04:08] <SigmaWP> ok
[04:08] <foks> I like colours.
[04:08] <foks> :3
[04:08] <foks> Sorry.
[04:08] <foks> * E1FEE1
[04:08] <SigmaWP> foks: Wait, which background? titlebox or main box?
[04:08] <wctaiwan> I'm sort of proud I can sort of picture colours based on their hex codes :P
[04:08] <foks> Main box
[04:08] <wctaiwan> that one you just named is a really, really pale green
[04:08] <foks> For the titles, white text on ... maybe 339733
[04:09] <Aranda56> and i was embarrassed to go with friends to other places because I don't want to be seen with having absolutely no money in my pockets, and in my bank accounts very depressing
[04:09] <foks> Maybe a bit stronger green
[04:09] <Aranda56> :(
[04:09] <foks> 33B133
[04:10] <SigmaWP> Nice
[04:10] <wctaiwan> (oh also, in general, I find that if you're going to have a large patch of the same colour, make it dull: either dark or light, don't go for liveliness)
[04:10] <foks> mhm
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[04:10] <wctaiwan> (this is in contrast with text where you can use brighter colours without making it in-your-face)
[04:10] <foks> <- this site is nice
[04:10] <wctaiwan> amateur web dev since I was a sixth grader :P
[04:11] <foks> Shows you colours that go well
[04:11] <SigmaWP> Ooh
[04:11] <wctaiwan>
[04:12] <SigmaWP> foks: And the main text is black, right?
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[04:12] <foks> Almost always the best idea is black
[04:12] <foks> Unless of course your background is too dark
[04:12] <foks> Then white
[04:13] <SigmaWP> Very nice
[04:13] <foks> Remember to make it accessible to those with colour blindness
[04:13] <foks> and/or those with bad sight
[04:13] <Aranda56> but I did see Lil Wayne DJing :p
[04:13] <Aranda56> color?
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[04:14] <foks> lmao
[04:14] <foks> Lil Wayne.
[04:14] <foks> I don't even remember what he looks like.
[04:14] <Aranda56> yea Lil Wayne being a DJ :p
[04:15] <Aranda56> foks he had a few top 10 hits last year :p
[04:15] <foks> In the States I reckon
[04:15] <foks> no sign of him in the UK
[04:15] <foks> unless he worked with usher or something (again)
[04:16] <Aranda56> foks he works with everyone and their mothers in the states :p
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[04:17] <foks> lmao
[04:19] <matthewrbowker> It's true
[04:19] <Aranda56> his last album reached top 10 in UK and Australia so
[04:20] <Aranda56> {{toolong}}
[04:20] <Aranda56> it has probably over 200 or so songs listed
[04:21] <matthewrbowker> {{split}} ?
[04:23] <wctaiwan> foks: your tumblr blog didn't last did it? :(
[04:24] <foks> ?
[04:24] <matthewrbowker> O.o Foks has a thumblr?
[04:24] <foks> I have four
[04:24] <foks> :D
[04:24] <wctaiwan> I thought you started a generic "blog"
[04:24] <foks> wctaiwan, oh, right
[04:24] <foks> no, I gave up.
[04:24] <foks> :D
[04:24] <foks> It's now a splash page.
[04:24] <wctaiwan> yes, thus my comment :P
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[04:25] <wctaiwan> wonder if they'd let you keep that if they find out
[04:25] <foks> ahh.
[04:25] <Aranda56> foks 168 charted singles by lil wayne, not including all these songs below, probably 400 or so appearances :/
[04:25] <foks> Uh?
[04:25] <wctaiwan> nice design though, I tried the colour-on-hover idea a few years back but not nearly as well done as yours.
[04:25] <foks> wctaiwan, oh, is that like illegal D:
[04:25] <foks> :P
[04:25] <foks> Thank you!
[04:25] <foks> Aranda56, lmao
[04:25] <foks> busy man
[04:26] <wctaiwan> It's probably not illegal but I don't know whether tumblr wants people to use them as a general web host.
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[04:26] <foks> wctaiwan, oh, I guess not.
[04:27] <foks> I meant "illegal" as in against TOS
[04:27] <foks> not against the law
[04:27] <foks> :P
[04:27] <wctaiwan> figured :P never read their TOS properly really >.>
[04:27] <Ryulong>
[04:27] <Ryulong> lovely
[04:27] <SigmaWP> Commons has everything
[04:27] <foks> Why am I looking at giraffes fucking?
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[04:28] <foks> lol
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[04:31] <wctaiwan> foks: did you have flickr in mind when you made your logo?
[04:31] <wctaiwan> or is it subconscious
[04:32] <foks> flickr?
[04:32] <foks> Oh, the JF thing
[04:32] <foks> No, I didn't
[04:33] <foks> I think it's just the colours that look like it.
[04:33] <wctaiwan> so it's subconscious (flickr is the only company I know that uses the two colours like that)
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[04:34] <Pine> Happy new year, Phil
[04:35] <Sp33dyphil> Happy New Year to you to, Pine
[04:35] <Sp33dyphil> NY resolution?
[04:35] <Aranda56> happy new year to everyone :D
[04:36] <Sp33dyphil> 2012 is a year of scaling back, for me it seems
[04:36] <Pine> I resolve to give more barnstars this year.
[04:36] <Sp33dyphil> yay!
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[04:37] <Sp33dyphil> looks like my talk page banner works!
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[04:37] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP: are you still working on the portal?
[04:37] <Sp33dyphil> so fucking boring
[04:38] <Sp33dyphil> SigmaWP still on?
[04:38] <SigmaWP> Yep
[04:38] <SigmaWP> Yep
[04:38] <wctaiwan> consider the colour difference between different displays
[04:38] <wctaiwan> the light green looks a bit too dark (hospital coat colour :P) and the dark green a bit too light on my end
[04:38] <wctaiwan> though I highly suspect it's due to display variation, not by design
[04:39] <Aranda56> zzzz time
[04:39] <wctaiwan> nn
[04:39] <Aranda56> night
[04:39] <SigmaWP> hm
[04:39] <SigmaWP> Aranda56: Bye
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[04:39] <Pine> wctaiwan are you done with poisoning things now? ;)
[04:39] <Sp33dyphil> why green? I don't associate programming with green :P
[04:39] <wctaiwan> always ready for more, why?
[04:39] <wctaiwan> Sp33dyphil: old computer terminals
[04:40] <Sp33dyphil> Pine: you do GAN reviews?
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[04:41] <Sp33dyphil> wctaiwan : ^
[04:41] <wctaiwan> No.
[04:41] <Pine> Phil, barely
[04:41] <Pine> why?
[04:41] <Sp33dyphil> [[Russian submarine K-114 Tula]]
[04:41] <Sp33dyphil> created 3 days ago
[04:42] <SigmaWP> He wants the world record
[04:42] <Sp33dyphil> Pine: what do you think?
[04:42] <Sp33dyphil> want to pile up WikiCUp points
[04:43] <SigmaWP> That too
[04:43] <SigmaWP> Sp33dyphil: Your GAs are no match for my featured portals
[04:43] <Pine> Phil that looks good at first glance
[04:43] <Pine> I'm a bit involved in FPCs right now
[04:43] <wctaiwan> (why couldn't the line drawing be made smaller and linked instead of collapsed?)
[04:43] <Sp33dyphil> Pine: don't ask why it's so short
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[04:44] <Pine> Phil I didn't
[04:44] <Sp33dyphil> yeah I know
[04:44] <wctaiwan> collapsing anything that isn't a nav template just feels odd.
[04:44] <SigmaWP> I can't find any DYKs about computer programming
[04:45] <Sp33dyphil> hahahaha :P
[04:45] <SigmaWP> So now I'm digging up everything that's tangentially related to computers in general :D
[04:45] <Sp33dyphil> hehehehe
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[04:47] <wctaiwan> SigmaWP: DYK C designed to allow low-level access to system resources while maintaining code portability across different platforms?
[04:47] <wctaiwan> C was designed*
[04:47] <SigmaWP> Was that in DYK?
[04:47] <wctaiwan> IDK :P
[04:48] <wctaiwan> though I found that pretty interesting when I first heard about it
[04:49] <SigmaWP> Where do I link "platforms"?
[04:49] <wctaiwan> that isn't a DYK, just to be clear.
[04:49] <wctaiwan> I just wrote that on the spot.
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[04:49] <SigmaWP> Oh
[04:50] <SigmaWP> Oh well, nobody's going to look
[04:50] <wctaiwan> (though the fact does come from [[C (programming language]])
[04:50] <wctaiwan> ... some rigour there.
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[04:50] <SigmaWP>
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[04:52] <wctaiwan> I'm off, good luck SigmaWP
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[04:53] <SigmaWP> Bye
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[05:00] <FoeNyx> happy new year Hawaii
[05:08] <SigmaWP> Bye
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[05:15] <darkaway> wtf happened here
[05:15] <darkaway>
[05:15] <darkaway>
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[05:16] <darkfalls> same freakin article ..
[05:17] <foks> oh, haha
[05:17] <foks> The other one uses the "fi" thing
[05:17] <foks> ԨŠ<- that
[05:17] <LauraHale>  <-- I love tags like that.
[05:19] <foks> This Abijhay chap is rather stubborn too
[05:21] <darkfalls> foks: Dude, you deleted the wrong one.
[05:21] <darkfalls> lol.
[05:21] <foks> whut
[05:22] <foks> No I never!
[05:22] <darkfalls> wait fml.
[05:22] <foks> :(
[05:22] <darkfalls> what
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[05:22] <darkfalls> wtf.
[05:22] <foks> u such liar.
[05:22] <foks> :3
[05:22] <foks> Definitely got the right one. Had to check.
[05:22] <foks> All that Thrice must kill brain cells!
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[05:25] <foks> onoez ;c
[05:25] <darkfalls> foks: example:
[05:27] <foks> lolz!
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[05:39] <Sp33dyphil> can someone explain why there was a decrease in population in ?
[05:41] <foks> emigration?
[05:41] <foks> half the former USSR lives in the UK it seems :p
[05:41] <gde33> Sp33dyphil:
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[05:42] <gde33> Drug use, alcoholism and sexually transmitted diseases
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[05:59] <Lubaf> Maternity wards are likes Reverse Thunderdomes: Two people enter, three people leave!
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 12[06:01] -mrmist- [Global Notice] - With this hour we welcome the New Year for American Samoa- Pago Pago, Niue (Alofi), Midway Islands, Jarvis Isl., Kingman Reef and Palmyra Atoll and that brings most of the populated world into 2012.  I hope everyone enjoys a Happy New Year and thank you all for flying freenode!
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[06:01] <Sp33dyphil> yay!
[06:01] <CRRaysHead90> flying freenode HA!
[06:01] <Sp33dyphil> now everyone's on this side of 2011/2012
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[06:02] <Lubaf> I'm not.
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[06:02] <Lubaf> I'm still in 2010.
[06:02] <CRRaysHead90> lolz
[06:03] <Sp33dyphil> awww
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[06:03] <Sp33dyphil> *the
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[07:02] <lapompo> <-- No mention of what company makes them...
[07:02] <lapompo> As in, no package.
[07:02] <Lubaf> Happy 1202, everybody!
[07:02] <Lubaf> How's everybody enjoying the middle ages?
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[07:03] <lapompo> Stop wishing everyone a happy new year. It's not happy for me. It's an insult.
[07:03] <wctaiwan> "The product was introduced by McVitie and Price in 1927"
[07:03] <wctaiwan> wouldn't that be enough?
[07:03] <lapompo> Never heard of that company, and I've seen Jaffa Cakes by various companies.
[07:04] <wctaiwan> (also, I found the cake-biscuit dispute hilarious)
[07:04] <wctaiwan> I'd assume it's some sort of a (generic?) trademark and they're the original maker.
[07:04] <lapompo> How can there be a generic trademark?
[07:04] <wctaiwan> if you can find a source on that many manufacturers make them, feel free to add it.
[07:05] <wctaiwan> "A generic trademark, also known as a genericized trademark or proprietary eponym, is a trademark or brand name that has become the colloquial or generic description for, or synonymous with, a general class of product or service, rather than as an indicator of source or affiliation ("secondary meaning") as intended by the trademark's holder."
[07:05] <wctaiwan> in short, something used to be a trademark but is now generic
[07:05] <lapompo> It's weird how being too popular is bad.
[07:05] <wctaiwan> e.g. Kleenex and Xerox in the US
[07:05] <lapompo> Are you saying that Kleenex has lost the right to the name?
[07:05] <wctaiwan> I think so.
[07:06] <lapompo> Just because idiots call any towel that?
[07:06] <lapompo> That's insane.
[07:06] <wctaiwan> oh wait, no, they still have rights to it.
[07:06] <lapompo> Americans seem to speak in trademarks.
[07:06] <lapompo> More often than the real words.
[07:07] <lapompo> I need a Band-Aid ASAP, and get me some Kleenex and a few glasses of Kool-Aid!
[07:07] <lapompo> Later, we'll have Jell-O and Oreos!
[07:07] <lapompo> :/
[07:08] <wctaiwan> It's not just the americans, I'd think.
[07:09] <wctaiwan> (looks like neither Kleenex or Xerox has actually ceased being trademarks. Better examples: aspirin, thermos, zipper)
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[07:14] <wctaiwan> Damn you, now I want to try a Jaffa Cake :(
[07:15] <lapompo> Hmm...
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[07:15] <lapompo> Thermos...
[07:15] <lapompo> Those you mentioned sound generic and natural.
[07:15] <wctaiwan> they used to be trademarks.
[07:16] <wctaiwan> I don't even know how to describe the latter two in a couple of words without invoking the names.
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[08:29] <TParis> Good morning gents
[08:30] <TParis> Do we add {{blp}} to an article about a group of people?
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[08:38] <Harmonia_Amanda> happy new year !
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[08:39] <Lubaf> "I had the invitees sign a NDA contrac" "A non-disclosure agreement for a *wedding*?" "No, a No Displays of Affection contract."
[08:40] <Lubaf> Harmonia_Amanda: Happy 2010!
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[08:40] <Harmonia_Amanda> :)
 06[08:40] * TParis hates to break it to Lubaf that he has been in a coma for 2 years and it's actually 2012
[08:40] <Lubaf> TParis: You mean the years don't go backward?
[08:41] <TParis> Only if you've got a Delorean and your Doc Brown
[08:41] <TParis> you're*
[08:42] <Harmonia_Amanda> can I ask for help ? I am a french wikipedian. I had interviewed Glen Cook, but I am not able to re-write what he said. Could you help me ?
[08:42] <Harmonia_Amanda> sorry for my bad english
[08:42] <Lubaf> How do you mean "re-write"?
[08:42] <TParis> Harmonia_Amanda: On the English Wikipedia, we don't allow interviews by Wikipedians to be used as sources in articles.
[08:42] <Lubaf> Translate, or rephrase?
[08:43] <Lubaf> And, what TParis said.
[08:43] <Harmonia_Amanda> TBloemink: I know it is for the french wikinews
[08:43] <Harmonia_Amanda> not for wikipedia
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[08:43] <Lubaf> Translate? Try on #wikipedia-fr, presumably.
[08:43] <Harmonia_Amanda>
[08:44] <Harmonia_Amanda> Lubaf: no, i miss words
[08:44] <Harmonia_Amanda>
[08:45] <Harmonia_Amanda> sorry, I speak very bad :s
[08:45] <Harmonia_Amanda> do you understand ?
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[08:46] <Harmonia_Amanda> I miss passages in the interview, because I do not understand what he says
[08:46] <TParis> Amanda: How long is the conversation?
[08:47] <Harmonia_Amanda> Can you help me to retranscribe?
[08:47] <Harmonia_Amanda> TParis: one hour
[08:47] <TParis> Ouch
[08:48] <Harmonia_Amanda> but we have write a lot
[08:48] <TParis> Yeah, I just dont have an hour to work on this is all.
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[08:48] <Harmonia_Amanda> It is just necessary to complete
[08:48] <Harmonia_Amanda> maybe another day ?
[08:48] <TParis> If it was like 15-20 minutes I could've done that.
[08:48] <TParis> Well you could try asking in #wikipedia-en-help
[08:49] <Harmonia_Amanda> ok
[08:49] <Harmonia_Amanda> thanks
[08:49] <TParis> Amanda: They might say that it's only for the English Wikipedia though and not Wikinews.
[08:50] <Harmonia_Amanda> :s
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[08:50] <Harmonia_Amanda> I know, but, no one help me for wikinews :s
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[08:51] <TBloemink> hmm, I was pinged
[08:52] <TParis> I think it was a mistake
[08:52] <TParis> Amanda: You could also try #wikinews
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[08:53] <Harmonia_Amanda> thank you
[08:54] <TParis> np
[08:54] <foomandoonian> Does anyone know why active Wikipedians plateaued in 2007 so suddenly?
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Session Start: Sun Jan 01 23:09:26 2012
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
 03[23:09] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
 03[23:09] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: | Status: Up ( | Channel guidelines: | Channel operator: Ask in #wikimedia-ops or say !ops <request...> | For urgent admin help, say !admin <request...> | No public logging | Cloak requests: '
 03[23:09] * Set by Fluffernutter!~Fluffernu@wikipedia/Fluffernutter on Fri Dec 23 22:26:49
[23:09] #wikipedia-en url is
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[23:13] <Pilif12p> sonia, nooooo that was the kerosene not water
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[23:14] <Peter-C> D:
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[23:14] <sonia> o_O
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[23:14] <Pilif12p> Oh well.
[23:14] <Ironholds> this channel is weird
[23:15] <sonia> Ironholds: you can't say Peter-C being doused in kerosene is necessarily a bad thing
[23:15] <Peter-C> :
[23:15] <Peter-C> :(
[23:15] <Ironholds> sonia: it's an AWFUL thing!
[23:15] <Pilif12p> sonia, "FOR SCIENCE!"
[23:15] <Ironholds> jesus, woman, have you no soul?
[23:15] <Ironholds> no spirit? no appreciation of the sanctity of human life?
[23:15] <Pilif12p> Ironholds, she has a soil, i don't think she's a ginger.
[23:15] <Ironholds> no awareness of how incredibly goddamn expensive kerosene is these days? He's not worth the expense - just shoot him and be done with it.
[23:15] <Pilif12p> soul too
[23:16] <Ironholds> Pilif12p: there are non-gingers who also lack souls
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[23:16] <Ironholds> derp: I'm not sexy. Still, 1/2 aint bad
 08[23:17] <derp> you're sexy and you know it.
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[23:18] <Ironholds> other than the ex, no woman has lasted for more than 3 weeks in my company
 08[23:18] <derp> ie Fluffernutter?
[23:18] <Ironholds> this kinda implies that my sexiness is not sufficient to make up for the gaping, sucking wound on reality between my ears
[23:18] <Ironholds> no, the woman I broke up with on new years eve ;p
[23:18] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter lasted two weeks
 08[23:19] <derp> ouch, cheap :P
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[23:20] <Fluffernutter> wait what?
[23:20] <Fluffernutter> you broke up with her?
[23:20] <Ironholds> of course not!
[23:20] <Ironholds> she broke up with me
[23:20] <Fluffernutter> that's...unfortunate. I'm sorry to hear it :/
[23:20] <Ironholds> oh, it's no problem, it was mutual
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[23:20] <Ironholds> we had a little talk, and she told me I was getting fucking dumped
 08[23:20] <derp> did you leave her preggers?
[23:20] <Ironholds> see? Mutual.
[23:21] <sonia> derp, what
[23:21] <Ironholds> derp:
 08[23:21] <derp> sonia is preggers.
[23:21] <Peter-C> :O
[23:21] <Ironholds> derp: she's not BIG enough to be pregnant
[23:21] <sonia> ...I hope not.
[23:21] <Ironholds> the only way sonia could become pregnant is if she developed a fucking TARDIS for a womb
[23:21] <sonia> hah.
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[23:21] <Ironholds> otherwise it'd hit month six or seven and it'd be like a reenaction of the chestburster scene from Alien.
[23:22] <Peter-C> everyone touch sonia's belly
[23:22] <Ironholds> Fluffernutter: eh, it's alright. I kinda asked for it by being me.
[23:22] <sonia> Ironholds: my mother is four-five, and somehow she had me
[23:22] <Ironholds> Peter-C: I have...a PROPHECY
[23:22] <Ironholds> the prophecy...the says..
[23:22] <Peter-C> Oh lawd
[23:22] <Ironholds> that as soon as you're old enough that you can't hide behind "he's 15 and really immature", you are going on a register somewhere.
[23:23] <Peter-C> *16
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[23:23] <Ironholds> you're 16? fucking HELL.
[23:23] <Ironholds> humanity is doomed. that's it. game over. do not pass go again, do not correct 200 dollars, Peter-C has taken those 200 dollars and at them and then posted pictures of the poo-dollars on flickr.
[23:23] <Ironholds> *collect
[23:23] <Ironholds> *ate
[23:23] <Ironholds> fuck you, 4:23 am
[23:24] <harej> <4:23 am> hey man fuck you
[23:24] <Ironholds> dude, 4:23 should fucking love me
[23:24] <Ironholds> I'm the only person keeping him company
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[23:24] <Peter-C> O_o
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[23:25] <sonia> ...
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[23:27] <Guerillero> Permits suck
[23:27] <Peter-C> D:
[23:28] <Guerillero> I was so happy when I got my Cinderella license
[23:29] <Guerillero> how many learner hours do you need Peter-C
[23:30] <Ironholds> Guerillero: cinderwah?
[23:30] <Ironholds> lemme guess; a license you can't use after midnight? :P
[23:30] <Guerillero> yep
[23:30] <Guerillero> under 18s have that license in most states
[23:31] <Ironholds> I didn't when I was under 18.
[23:32] <Guerillero> in my state (pennsylvania) it was permit at 16
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[23:32] <Guerillero> then you could take your test at 16.5 at the earliest
[23:33] <Pilif12p> other states are crazy
[23:33] <Pilif12p> you can get your permit in iowa when you're 14
[23:33] <Pilif12p> and license when you're 16
[23:33] <Pilif12p> full license 17
[23:34] <Guerillero> and if you had no citations, tickets, or crashes you can get your full license after a year
[23:34] <Guerillero> with parental permission
[23:34] <Guerillero> 16 is a good age for permits
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[23:36] <Peter-C>
[23:36] <Peter-C> ^That video is a GREAT description of what Wikipedia is, why don't we showboat it more?
[23:36] <gde33> Peter-C: the world is divided in wikipedians and unwikipedians
[23:37] <Peter-C> O_o
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[23:40] <PiRSquared17> Is fetchcomms here?
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[23:56] <Gfoley4> Guest92713: no
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[23:57] <PiRSquared17> ok
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