Sunday, September 13, 2020

"Wikipedia, We Have A Problem" Blog Vanishes Off The Internet

Rome Viharo was a user of the first version of the Wikipedia Sucks messageboard, he had a blog at Wikipedia, We Have a Problem and now that blog (which had stopped updating sometime in 2019) is dead, with the URL for sale.  We have not heard from Rome Viharo on the new Wikipedia Sucks board, so the assumption is that he has given up, and that's awful. You should never let David "I'm an expert on blockchains now!" Gerard and his crew of STEM dropouts have the final word.

A Short Recitation of The Facts As We Understand Them

You can get a warped picture of Viharo from RationalWiki's page on him, a page he objected to and tried to edit in his own defense in late 2013. It has been rewritten multiple times and the version up now seems to be the most mean-spirited. The capsule history of Rome Viharo on Wikipedia was that he tried to edit the Rupert Sheldrake BLP under the handle Tumbleman (good luck finding the evidence, they cut him out of the revision history) after he joined on April 17, 2013. The skeptical types sitting on Sheldrake's biography (and there was a long edit-war over the article) took a dislike to Viharo quickly, found out his real name, an article was up on RationalWiki by November 2013. According to Craig Weiler's PSI blog (and the Wikimedia Meta-Wiki, which states he did 497 edits in total), Viharo was given the boot in early October. After that he started his blog, giving us such posts as "Do Some People Just Deserve It?" and "A Skeptical Inquiry - This Whole Mess Needs To Be Cleaned Up". He was fighting a two-front war against Wikipedia and RationalWiki (mostly against the latter) because of their stupid page on him. We were never told why he just didn't "lawyer up" and have an attorney write a letter to whichever RationalWiki manchild did legal seven years ago, I suspect he felt he could appeal to their "rationality."

[post under construction.]


Friday, September 11, 2020

Ten Years Gone: Wikipedia Internet Relay Chat Logs for September 11, 2010

 Just to annoy the readers, here are the Wikipedia.en IRC logs for September 11 in 2010.

Session Start: Sat Sep 11 18:16:26 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
03[18:16] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
03[18:16] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at http://bit.ly/OiAr | For a channel operator, ask in #wikimedia-ops, or say !ops followed by your request | No public logging | If you need an admin, just ask. If it's an emergency requiring immediate attention, type !admin followed by the problem'
03[18:16] * Set by Stifle!~stifle@Wikipedia/Stifle on Fri Aug 20 13:01:14
[18:16] <***> Buffer Playback...
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:26:47] I really dont think we should take those 'threats' seriously
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:27:02] why you undo my edit huh u dont like my theory on antonio being a nazi im gona sue ur as with love me
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:27:04] is not a threat
[18:16] <geniice> [22:27:59] {Soap} it's less effort to avoid messing around
[18:16] <Alex_____> [22:28:47] Wow
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:37:29] An automated process is about to commence a mass blanking task affecting approximately ten thousand articles in order to resolve a wide-scale copyright infringement issue
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:37:39] aha
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:37:41] it's Dhlomo
[18:16] <Chzz> [22:37:42] Does anyone know about how "On this day" works?
[18:16] <Chzz> [22:37:49] {Soap} maybe ^
[18:16] <Alex_____> [22:39:28] {Soap}: Why?
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:39:52] biggest copyvio ever
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:40:02] 160000 edits
[18:16] <tombom> [22:40:05] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Citizen_Movement
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:40:15] granted not all of them were copyvios, and probably most werent, but we cant take chances
[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:41:20] {Soap}: where was that at?
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:41:40] well I saw the page earlier, but what I just posted was on the site notice
[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:42:28] on en?
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:42:32] yeah
[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:42:37] or global?
[18:16] <Jeske_Couriano> [22:43:19] GoHawks) en.wp
[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:43:32] oh
[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:43:43] i dont see anything about it...
[18:16] <Jeske_Couriano> [22:46:14] GoHawks) Look at the top of your watchlist
[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:46:36] ohh
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[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:47:49] over 10,000 pages?
[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:48:11] wait
[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:48:16] where did i get that number from..
[18:16] <Jeske_Couriano> [22:49:26] The CCI has 23 subpages
[18:16] <{Soap}> [22:49:38] bbl
[18:16] <Jeske_Couriano> [22:49:42] So ~25K articles
[18:16] <GoHawks> [22:50:50] oh
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [22:55:00] Right , I need 3 planetary astrophyscists
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [22:55:02] ;)
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [22:55:16] I had an idea for something to go on Wiki Campus Radio's podcasty
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [23:13:19] BarkingFish: Any good as a writer?
[18:16] <Arlen22> [23:39:23] Is it possible to transfer ownership of a child account from one account to another.
[18:16] <Arlen22> [23:39:34] like a bot account, for instance.
[18:16] <MrZ-man|lazin> [23:40:42] no, because there's nothing to transfer
[18:16] <geniice> [23:40:50] why would you want to?
[18:16] <MrZ-man|lazin> [23:41:11] software-wise, there really is no concept of "child accounts"
[18:16] <Arlen22> [23:41:43] if you have a bot, it is usually linked to your account.
[18:16] <Herodotus> [23:41:51] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/8988132.stm
[18:16] <MrZ-man|lazin> [23:43:20] only by the operator just saying so on the userpage
[18:16] <Arlen22> [23:43:56] autoblock is affected by this
[18:16] <GoHawks> [23:46:39] if you're blocked and trying to get another account that's sockpuppetry
[18:16] <MrZ-man|lazin> [23:47:41] autoblock just blocks the last IP used by the account, it doesn't directly block user accounts
[18:16] <Arlen22> [23:48:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bot_policy#Bot_accounts
[18:16] <GoHawks> [23:50:33] so you're blocked?
[18:16] <MrZ-man|lazin> [23:52:16] what about it?
[18:16] <Arlen22> [23:52:18] no
[18:16] <Arlen22> [23:52:38] Ok, the article alert bot is changing hands.
[18:16] <Arlen22> [23:52:51] How do you change the owner from one to the other.
[18:16] <GoHawks> [23:53:23] you don't...
[18:16] <DiegoGrez> [23:53:42] hola pianista
[18:16] <darkoneko> [23:53:43] nighty
[18:16] <la_pianista> [23:54:09] hola Diego
[18:16] <la_pianista> [23:54:11] night
[18:16] <la_pianista> [23:54:12] meh. ._.
[18:16] <Arlen22> [23:54:56] whatever.
[18:16] <MrZ-man|lazin> [23:54:59] you get the current owner to give you the password, then change it
[18:16] <Loki> [23:55:08] MrZ-man|lazin: o,o
[18:16] <MrZ-man|lazin> [23:55:10] or just create a new account, which is less work
[18:16] <Loki> [23:55:14] MrZ-man|lazin: whats your username on wiki?
[18:16] <Loki> [23:55:23] waur
[18:16] <Loki> [23:55:25] wait
[18:16] <Loki> [23:55:26] nevermind.
[18:16] <Loki> [00:02:48] GoHawks: i feel bad in away, that blocking has caused a "shit" storm
[18:16] <GoHawks> [00:03:04] ?
[18:16] <Loki> [00:03:22] http://enwp.org/User_talk:Alaaan
[18:16] <GoHawks> [00:03:41] oh
[18:16] <Loki> [00:03:44] http://enwp.org/User_talk:86.178.52.68
[18:16] <Arlen22> [00:06:37] can someone actually get you in trouble?
[18:16] <GoHawks> [00:08:09] ?
[18:16] <Loki> [00:08:22] Arlen22: Legally? No
[18:16] <Loki> [00:08:45] Wikipedia if I am not mistaken, is not technically a public service
[18:16] <Loki> [00:09:05] they are allow to block who ever they want for whatever they want. They don't, as they have policies
[18:16] <Loki> [00:09:23] but the "I am going to sue you unless you unblock me" is very childish,
[18:16] <Loki> [00:09:56] He was blocked for "denying" unblock requests, when he is not an sysop nor a checkuser
[18:16] <Loki> [00:10:48] Ontop of vandlaism type edits on his User account, and one on his IP account
[18:16] <murdox> [00:12:34] I love how starting a little userspace draft creates this huge drv discussion
[18:16] <murdox> [00:12:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:DRV#Gay_Nigger_Association_of_America
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [00:12:56] Loki: If anything hes the one that should be worried,
[18:16] <Loki> [00:13:08] Qcoder00: Thats the thing/
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [00:13:23] After all if it was a 'cop' he'd impersonated he'd be in real  shtting brick trouble
[18:16] <Loki> [00:14:03] Thats the point the admins are trying to make, what he was doing was no diffrent then going in court and telling someone that they couldn't make bail
[18:16] <Loki> [00:14:08] because they are lame.
[18:16] <geniice> [00:14:39] murdox 3 enteries?
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [00:14:40] In any case, I doubt any sensible QC would touch something like this with a bargepole
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [00:15:05] In fact has any checked if the legal firm he's clamings acting on his behalf is genuine?
[18:16] <murdox> [00:15:12] pardon
[18:16] <alyxuk> [00:15:12] i highly recommend everyone uses the same toothpaste as me.
[18:16] <geniice> [00:15:34] murdox there appear to be 3 entries in the DRV
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [00:15:45] Loki: Also he doesn't seem very up on UK legal issues,  A QC is typically a Barrister...
[18:16] <geniice> [00:15:53] Qcoder00 we don't care. he's blatently lying
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [00:15:58] I know that
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [00:16:00] ;)
[18:16] <Qcoder00> [00:16:05] He's only making it worse
[18:16] <Loki> [00:16:16] Qcoder00: I never said he was smart :p but he is using a UK IP
[18:16] <***> Playback Complete.
[18:19] <Qcoder00> Hmm
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[18:19] <Qcoder00> Yeah but you would expect someone in the UK genuinely making legal threats to at least know the difference between a Barrister , a QC, and a Solicitor
[18:19] <Loki> or atleast http://enwp.org/User_talk:86.178.52.68 is
[18:19] <Loki> They are doing a check user
[18:19] <Loki> iirc
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[18:19] <Qcoder00> Where's Ironholds?
[18:19] <Loki> Tho "MuZemike" claims he is using both ip addresses noted, both UK.
[18:19] <Qcoder00> Hmmm BT IP Pool though
[18:19] <Loki> Which is known for proxys
[18:19] <Loki> many open proxies
[18:20] <Qcoder00> Well the traceroute hits a firewall somewhere inside BT's servers
[18:20] <Deskana> Loki: That's a bit of a stretch.
[18:20] <Loki> Deskana: what is?
[18:21] <Deskana> Maybe there are a lot of proxies in the BT ranges, but there's also a hell of a lot more "normal" IPs and users.
[18:21] <Qcoder00> Loki: That said, BT's internet use policy people, can be rather nice to work with,   Complained about spam to them once and the spammer vanished within the hour!!
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[18:22] <Qcoder00> Apparently there's an urban myth, that because BT used to be the GPO Phones in the UK , they still did some hush-hush uber secret govt communications stuff,
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[18:22] <Loki> Yes there are. I was not saying the proxies, outweight the users; but in every country there is one major ISP that proxybots tend to pick, ones with large amount of bw thing so of that nature.
[18:22] <Qcoder00> and thus any 'problem' user got dealt with quickly...
[18:23] <Loki> May be so Qcoder00.
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[18:23] <Loki> I thought BT was still a Crown Org
[18:23] <Qcoder00> No
[18:23] <Qcoder00> Its British Telecomunications Plc
[18:23] <Qcoder00> IIRC
[18:23] <murdox> (23:15:29) (geniice) murdox there appear to be 3 entries in the DRV
[18:23] <murdox> I only count two
[18:23] <Loki> BT Group plc
[18:24] <Qcoder00> Loki: Hmm - Do we know if L.Phillips QC is genuine?
[18:24] <Loki> Qcoder00: What do you mean? who is L.Phillips?
[18:24] <Qcoder00> The indvidual mentioned on the blocked users talk page
[18:25] <Loki> I can check into the domain, but I doubt it
[18:25] <Qcoder00> Loki: You'd have to ask Ironholds, but it was my understanding that 'impersonating' a barrister/solicitor was NOT something you did...
[18:26] <Loki> mailinator.com is a spamspot shite
[18:26] <Loki> site*
[18:26] <Loki> like hushmail
[18:26] <Qcoder00> So why would a 'lawyer' be using it?
[18:27] <Loki> Exactly.
[18:27] <Qcoder00> Also
[18:27] <Loki>  拢10GBP + solicitor's consultation fee of 拢1,000,000,00
[18:27] <Qcoder00> i) A Barrister would not like to be described as a solicitor
[18:27] <Loki> I knew no consulation fee that much.
[18:28] <Qcoder00> ii) The odd fees, besides fees are normally determined partly by the courts...
[18:28] <Qcoder00> iii) Solicitors are not in the UK as far as I know QC's...
[18:28] <Loki> In the US lawyers set the fees.
[18:28] <Loki> scaaam
[18:29] <Qcoder00> iv) Any  good barrister would realise this user doesn't have a leg to stand on...
[18:29] <Qcoder00> Wikipedia is a private site, and can thus set it's own rules on who can use it
[18:29] <Loki> http://bit.ly/bWlBNt Only thing I can find a L. Phillips
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[18:30] <Qcoder00> Loki: And he's not a QC or even seemingly an active lawyer...
[18:30] <Loki> if that is the person in question
[18:31] <Loki> not all laywers on googable.
[18:31] <Qcoder00> Loki: The LSE Prof you found is NOT the L. Philips we want...
[18:32] <Loki> Okay? Like I said. If that is the person in question and not all laywers are googable.
[18:32] <Loki> Therefore, like I said. Scaaam.
[18:32] <Qcoder00> Of course , he could be genuine...
[18:33] <Qcoder00> but given the nature of how the exchange on that talk page arose....
[18:33] <Qcoder00> It's a shame Ironholds isn't here
[18:34] <geniice> hah http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/773907
[18:35] <Qcoder00> ??
[18:35] <geniice> I find it funny
[18:39] <Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roger_Webster&diff=prev&oldid=384196552 - Reasonable edit?
[18:39] <Qcoder00> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&tagfilter=&contribs=user&target=Alaaan&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1
[18:39] <Qcoder00> Hmm
[18:40] <Qcoder00> Is Lupin's recent changes tool widely advertised?
[18:40] <Qcoder00> They also seem remarkably quick in setting up certain templates on thier userspace pages
[18:42] <Qcoder00> Any checkusers in?
[18:42] <alyxuk> at cadets we're getting an army physical training instructor coming in on monday
[18:42] <alyxuk> staff has warned us that it WILL hurt >.>
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[18:43] <Qcoder00> alyxuk: Good luck... XD
[18:43] <alyxuk> .. hm 卢_卢
[18:43] <alyxuk> staff said "nobody will raise an eyebrow if you drop out during the warmup, as long as you give it a go"
[18:43] <alyxuk> and as far as im concerned, as long as i beat the recruits (and someone in their kit), its a success
[18:44] <alyxuk> i dont want ANY recruits thinking theyre better than me
[18:44] <Qcoder00> alyxuk:  Don't overdo it though
[18:44] <alyxuk> and i want to beat someone in their kit to put myself on the same 'level' as a kitted person
[18:44] <alyxuk> ive overdone it before, its fine
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[18:44] <alyxuk> it only gets easier after that ;)
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[18:44] <alyxuk> im gonna take my cycling bottle of water with me
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[18:45] <alyxuk> i love cadets, and im hoping the instructor is a fucking hardass
[18:45] <alyxuk> because thats what motivates me
[18:45] <alyxuk> if i get some instructor who is really nice, i'll get nowhere
[18:45] <Qcoder00> alyxuk:  Not that I know anything about cadet PTI methods,  but you should know your own limits...
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[18:46] <alyxuk> if i have one that says "GET IT FUCKING DONE YOU USELESS BASTARD, COME ON", i work harder :P
[18:46] <alyxuk> it isnt a cadet PTI guy, its an army PTI guy
[18:46] <alyxuk> he does it for the living, with the army
[18:46] <Qcoder00> <me grins evily>
[18:46] <alyxuk> and hes coming in especially for us
[18:46] <Qcoder00> You should know your own limits, and how to tackle the pain barrier...
[18:46] <alyxuk> i know my own limits, but i'll push through them until i beat someone in their kits
[18:46] <alyxuk> i know who will last the longest, Cpl Carlton, hes really fit
[18:47] <alyxuk> my staff sgt is, to quote an adult-instructor, "fat bald and angry".. but i bet i'd be suprised by how fit he really is
[18:47] <alyxuk> he could probably manage it :/
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[18:47] <Qcoder00> However,  even if your push the enevelope, don't be a macho idiot and do yourself an injury....
[18:47] <Qcoder00> *you
[18:47] <alyxuk> heh
[18:47] <alyxuk> i took part in an inspection last thursday, and im known at my Det for having VERY shiny boots, from day 2
[18:48] <alyxuk> and staff came up to me and said, "Wood, who has the shiniest boots, me or you? me, good."
[18:48] <Qcoder00> Because an 'injuried' idiot is one of the things that's really going to get a PTI's temper ....
[18:48] <alyxuk> made me smile :P
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[18:48] <alyxuk> whereas some people (read as: not military people) would take that as criticism (somehow..), i take it as an acknowledgement of my efforts
[18:49] <alyxuk> hes seen my boots, he knows theyre shinier than his, and hes having a bit of a joke about it
[18:49] <alyxuk> we have some right dopey git on the recruit squad right now, hes the dopiest bastards ive ever seen
[18:49] <Qcoder00> alyxuk: I assume you know why UK Commandos were able to do some of thr things they did despite being normal people?
[18:49] <alyxuk> but someone seems to like him for some reason
[18:49] <alyxuk> but i think it'll wear off.
[18:50] <alyxuk> Qcoder00: Go on :P
[18:50] <Qcoder00> All done to training.. (including PTI ) apparently.. ( Re Commandos)
06[18:50] * J_Milburn arrives, reads what alyxuk just read, and laughs
[18:50] <J_Milburn> wrote, not read
[18:50] <Qcoder00> *down
[18:50] <alyxuk> J_Milburn: a good laugh, or a bad laugh? which bit?
[18:50] <J_Milburn> alyxuk: I'm assuming you're in the cadets? If so, a bad laugh.
[18:51] <alyxuk> pff
[18:51] <alyxuk> im not legally able to join the army yet, so of course im a cadet
[18:51] <J_Milburn> Seriously, it's nice that you have a hobby, but God, get yourself a real job
[18:51] <alyxuk> it gives me an experience of being militarised until i can join the army
[18:52] <alyxuk> cadets isnt a job.
[18:52] <J_Milburn> If that's what you want to do with yourself, great, good for you
[18:52] <J_Milburn> But don't expect everyone to be impressed when you brag about it
[18:52] <alyxuk> https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.army.mod.uk/documents/general/SIG100109.pdf << the job i want
[18:52] <alyxuk> J_Milburn: someone is jealous :V
[18:53] <J_Milburn> Hah
[18:53] <MJ94> Who here has written an FA? :)
[18:53] <J_Milburn> You can call me jealous if that makes you feel better
[18:53] <J_Milburn> Me!
[18:53] <alyxuk> calling it how i see it, thats how we do things in yorkshire :P
06[18:54] * J_Milburn is a Cumbria/Lancashire type
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[18:54] <alyxuk> pff, totally different!
[18:54] <Qcoder00> Now, Now, Lets not get into a 'Roses' match here....
[18:54] <alyxuk> ah bet yuh don even av the accent ;)
[18:54] <J_Milburn> :P
[18:54] <alyxuk> yorkshire accent is the best :<
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[18:55] <alyxuk> it was voted the most trust inspiring in.. 2006.. or something :P
[18:55] <Qcoder00> There are at least 14 dialects of 'Northern'
[18:55] <Qcoder00> And there isn't a single Yorkshire either...
[18:55] <Qcoder00> (dialect wise)
[18:55] <BarkingFish> 13 of which are completely incomprehensible
[18:55] <J_Milburn> :p
[18:55] <alyxuk> it allows us to talk in code while in london
[18:55] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish:  Hmm
[18:55] <alyxuk> i like my accent
[18:56] <Qcoder00> But at least it's not Glasgow Scots?
[18:56] <BarkingFish> The only remotely northern accent I get close to understanding is what you call "Geordie"
[18:56] <alyxuk> i can turn up the accent too, becoming fully yorkshire.. or turn it down, to BBC english
[18:56] <la_pianista> At least it isn't Texan.
[18:56] <BarkingFish> that isn't a problem. Yorkshire I find impossible, Scouse (Liverpool) and Mancunian I also find impossible.
[18:56] <alyxuk> those are lame accents though :<
[18:56] <J_Milburn> BarkingFish: Where are you from?
[18:56] <BarkingFish> Iceland
[18:57] <BarkingFish> why?
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[18:57] <J_Milburn> I was expecting some southern nonsense
[18:57] <BarkingFish> Well I am a southerner now, I'm in Milton Keynes
[18:58] <BarkingFish> but I have practically no accent at all.
[18:58] <J_Milburn> MILTON KEYNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[18:58] <Qcoder00> J_Milburn:   Icelandic isn't Southern or Northern.... XD
[18:58] <alyxuk> southerners arent real people :<
[18:58] <Qcoder00> Icelandic is well Norse originally IIRC
[18:58] <J_Milburn> It is
[18:58] <J_Milburn> Closest language to Old Norse that still exists
[18:59] <BarkingFish> Qcoder00, it's northen technically. We're on the rim of the arctic circle
[18:59] <alyxuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mHZgP9vkc
[18:59] <BarkingFish> *northern
[18:59] <J_Milburn> Milton Keynes has always made me laugh
[18:59] <alyxuk> it still makes me laugh
[18:59] <BarkingFish> me too, makes me wonder why the fuck I settled here
[18:59] <alyxuk> (the video)
[18:59] <alyxuk> i love how he seems to INSTANTLY sober up after hes said it the first time
[19:00] <J_Milburn> BarkingFish: Seriously, don't judge Britain on.... That place
[19:00] <BarkingFish> I don't.
[19:00] <BarkingFish> I've lived in a couple of other places, unfortunately all southern.
[19:00] <BarkingFish> Reading, and a place called Little Thetford on the outskirts of Ely, near Cambridge
[19:00] <HawksWin> okay
[19:01] <J_Milburn> I know both of them
[19:01] <HawksWin> anyone know how to make ubuntu power one usb port on demand only?
[19:01] <J_Milburn> How I know Little Thetford, I couldn't honestly say
[19:01] <BarkingFish> Little Thetford is a toilet, basically.
[19:01] <J_Milburn> But Reading is equally dull
[19:01] <BarkingFish> Doesn't even have a shop
[19:01] <J_Milburn> I'm pretty certain I've driven through there at some point
[19:01] <BarkingFish> Reading was boring, and I came to MK to take up a job.
[19:02] <BarkingFish> Which incidentally, I might be moving on from.
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[19:03] <J_Milburn> Get y'sel' up north, lad
[19:03] <BarkingFish> I've applied for a post at the YOI at Woodhill Prison.
[19:03] <BarkingFish> So I'd only have to walk 4 minutes to work, and I'd be home before me slow cooker went ping :)
[19:04] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish: Working in a prison?
[19:04] <BarkingFish> Yeah, Young Offenders side
[19:04] <alyxuk> off to bed
[19:04] <J_Milburn> Hey, if it pays well...
[19:04] <Qcoder00> It's a challanging role, but one that needs dedicated people ...
[19:04] <alyxuk> ive been to thetford :O
[19:04] <J_Milburn> See ya
[19:04] <alyxuk> dunno if it was 'little thetford'
[19:04] <BarkingFish> Thetford isn't bad. Nice forest
[19:05] <Arlen22> is api.php accessible directly from the toolserver?
[19:05] <alyxuk> thetford has an army base
[19:05] <BarkingFish> Little Thetford is a shithole. The biggest attraction is the chicken farm, and that's only in summer when you can smell it up the other end of the village
[19:05] <alyxuk> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=IP26+5EP&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Thetford,+Norfolk+IP26+5EP,+United+Kingdom&ei=LguMTNfqNYmo4AaOyIDjCg&ved=0CBMQ8gEwAA&ll=52.493612,0.701988&spn=0.010648,0.01929&t=h&z=16
[19:05] <Qcoder00> J_Milburn: Part of the problem is that working with offenders doesn't pay well compared to the effort staff put in though, I've heard
[19:05] <alyxuk> only reason i know thetford xD
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[19:05] <la_pianista> bye, folks
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[19:06] <BarkingFish> I'm not doing it for the pay, I'm doing it to expand my skills in welfare.  I've mostly been working with young children, up to about 9 or 10. This will give me more work on the older side, to expand my understanding of Child Welfare outside the care aspects
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[19:07] <BarkingFish> plus, the prison is pretty much right across the road from the housing estate I live on, so I can't go wrong really.
[19:07] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish: Well good luck to you :) It's not a role anybody can do :)
[19:07] <BarkingFish> I'll find that out when (if) I get to interview
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[19:08] <Qcoder00> BarkingFish:  On something else entirly...
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[19:09] <Qcoder00> How many Icelandic Sagas do you know of that are public domain?
[19:09] <Qcoder00> (As in English Translations...)
[19:09] <BarkingFish> most of them will be. The authors have been dead for a significantly long time.
[19:09] <BarkingFish> Oh, in English?
[19:10] <BarkingFish> IHNFI
[19:10] <BarkingFish> your best bet would be to look at www.sagadb.org
[19:11] <Qcoder00> OK
[19:11] <BarkingFish> all the ones on there you find in english will be PD
[19:13] <Qcoder00> Noted :)
[19:13] <Qcoder00> Thanks :)
[19:13] <BarkingFish> yw
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[19:13] <AdamCuerden> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Craigavon_Bridge_decoration_-_Londonderry_%28Derry%29_Coat_of_Arms_-_Perspective_and_other_minor_adjustments_only.jpg
[19:14] <BarkingFish> Let me know and I'll see if I can record a couple for you
[19:14] <AdamCuerden> Part of a series
[19:14] <AdamCuerden> Would you believe we Fair used the coat of arms before this?
[19:16] <BarkingFish> I do like the piece in the license box, AdamCuerden :)  "Credit to adam cuerden somewhere, in whatever way may be convenient" :)
[19:16] <BarkingFish> *may be / is
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[19:19] <AdamCuerden> Heh
[19:19] <AdamCuerden> Aye, well, I would like credit, but I'm pretty much a pragmatist about it.
[19:19] <AdamCuerden> =)
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[19:20] <AdamCuerden> If I do PD, I don't get credit at all.
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[19:20] <AdamCuerden> If I do attribution, then they're just an arsehole if they don't credit
[19:21] <AdamCuerden> If I go the CC route, they have to name the licence and so on.
[19:21] <AdamCuerden> I prefer the minimal possible protection =)
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[19:33] <BarkingFish> Well I used to upload photos and stuff to commons, but since the switch to the CC, I don't anymore.  All my photos are tagged NC, and commons don't like that.
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[19:33] <MJ94> BarkingFish: PM?
[19:34] <BarkingFish> sure
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[19:41] <MJ94> Can I get anyone else's opinion on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Uchiha23/Awards ?
[19:42] <MJ94> Please :)
[19:43] <barts1a> On one hand: They are useless awards, on the other, much larger hand; they are in userspaces
[19:43] <MJ94> Yeah.
[19:43] <MJ94> I go both ways.
[19:44] <barts1a> I think that users should be able to put whatever they want in their userspace, do not delete... for now
[19:44] <BarkingFish> It's userspace. What goes in there isn't normally eligible for deletion unless it's advertising, resume and so on.
[19:44] <BarkingFish> This is none of that. It's the user's personal area, leave it the fuck alone
[19:45] <MJ94> I see your points, but then, Wikipedia is for building an encyclopedia.
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[19:45] <barts1a> BUT USERSPACES ARE NOT FOR THAT PURPOSE!
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[19:45] <MJ94> ...and I just got accused for canvassing when I'm simply asking a question...
[19:45] <MJ94> sorry >_<
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[19:47] <BarkingFish> I quote WP:CANVASS, section 2:1 - Inappropriate notification
[19:47] <BarkingFish> Contacting users off-wiki (by e-mail, for example) to persuade them to join in discussions (unless there is a specific reason not to use talk pages)
[19:47] <yamakiri> I this wikilawering I see?
[19:47] <MJ94> I was asking a question, BarkingFish.
[19:48] <BarkingFish> There is no specific reason not to use the talk pages.
[19:48] <MJ94> I wasn't trying to sway votes.
[19:48] <MJ94> And.
[19:48] <barts1a> but you asked it in the wrong medium
[19:48] <MJ94> I didn't know about this policy.
[19:48] <MJ94> I've already apologized.
[19:48] <MJ94> When I said opinion, I meant not a !vote
[19:48] <MJ94> I meant, in IRC
[19:49] <barts1a> IRC does not include ALL editors
[19:49] <barts1a> talk pages are there for a reason
[19:49] <MJ94> It includes some.
[19:49] <MJ94> Why do we have IRC if not for a means of communication?
[19:49] <barts1a> Please read WP:IRC
[19:50] <BarkingFish> be realistic, if you alert someone via an external medium to go read something, how many of them do you not expect to comment on it?
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[19:51] <MJ94> BarkingFish: there could have been "keeps", also.
[19:51] <MJ94> I wasn't attempting to sway a vote.
[19:51] <MJ94> Anyway, new subject please.
[19:52] <BarkingFish> To be more precise, if you read it, you'll actually see that what you were doing was "Stealth Canvassing" - you didn't need to be swaying the vote, or attempting to...
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[19:52] <BarkingFish> 2:4 of WP:CANVASS: Because it is less transparent than on-wiki notifications, the use of email or other off-wiki communication to notify editors is discouraged unless there is a significant reason for not using talk page notifications
[19:52] <BarkingFish> I'll drop it, but I'd advise you to read the whole of that policy, MJ94 :)
[19:52] <MJ94> >_<
[19:52] <MJ94> I was in the wrong.
[19:53] <MJ94> Sorry, BarkingFish.
[19:53] <BarkingFish> yamakiri, was I wikilawyering?
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[19:53] <MJ94> :(
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[19:53] <BarkingFish> Or was I simply making someone aware of policy?
[19:53] <MJ94> Now I feel bad for canvassing :/
[19:53] <MJ94> BarkingFish: the latter
[19:53] <Alex___> Idgaf.
[19:54] <BarkingFish> Alex___, good for you. I'm very pleased for you.
[19:54] <yamakiri> the way you cite WP:CANVASS lends itself to the definative ^_^
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[19:54] <BarkingFish> yamakiri... In english please??? :)
[19:54] <Alex___> BarkingFish: I was kidding :/
[19:54] <MJ94> BarkingFish: that was english.
[19:54] <Alex___> Lol.
[19:54] <BarkingFish> I know, but I didn't understand it all :)
[19:54] <Alex___> So much argument.
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[19:55] <Alex___> 9/11 CONSPIRACY ARTICLE IS ACTIVE
[19:55] <Alex___> Weird.
[19:55] <barts1a> yamakiri speaks some kind of Yoda-esque dialogue
[19:55] <MJ94> Great. Now I'm going to have people on me for canvassing, BarkingFish
[19:55] <MJ94> BarkingFish: "big vocabulary"
[19:55] <barts1a> Alex, it is still 9/11 in the states
[19:55] <MJ94> erm
[19:55] <MJ94> not BarkingFish
[19:55] <MJ94> barts1a
[19:55] <Alex___> barts1a: Yessir.
[19:56] <barts1a> as such, the nutters are still awake
[19:56] <barts1a> (some never sleep!)
[19:56] <Alex___> Nutters?
[19:56] <BarkingFish> I'd recommend for the future that 9/11 related articles are protected for 24 hours across 9/11, makes it less likely for them to be vandalised
[19:56] <yamakiri> BarkingFish: citing something like that and giving it so much credit as a law of the website seems excessive don't you think
[19:56] <barts1a> er... I meant amarican wikipedians
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[19:57] <MJ94> BarkingFish: I thought that, too
[19:57] <yamakiri> "You're wrong because of Article 4, subsection 9.368 under revision 93.7"
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[19:57] <yamakiri> Lulz!
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[19:57] <Alex___> BarkingFish: They are being vandalized??
[19:57] <BarkingFish> yamakiri, I understand. I was citing policy, maybe in the wrong way. I was just pointing at the relevant section.
[19:57] <yamakiri> It's been almost a year!
[19:57] <BarkingFish> Alex___, they have been in the past on 9/11
[19:57] <Alex___> Oh.
[19:57] <barts1a> it's been 9 years since 9/11 AFAIK
[19:58] <Alex___> Once a racist that was like ten, vandalized the Hubble space telescope Article.
[19:59] <Alex___> It offended me, but I lol'd.
[19:59] <barts1a> anyway; I have 7 new userboxes on my profile page
[19:59] <Alex___> Nice.
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[19:59] <barts1a> bringing the total to.... -does some counting- I lost track at 15
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[20:00] <Alex___> barts1a: AFAIK?
[20:00] <barts1a> As Far As I Know
[20:00] <Alex___> Oh
[20:00] <Alex___> Not barts1a
[20:00] <Alex___> It's 9/11
[20:00] <Alex___> It's a date.
[20:01] <barts1a> that occured in 2001
[20:01] <barts1a> I was referring to the attack itself
[20:01] <barts1a> wikipedia it
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[20:02] <Alex___> I know about the attack ;)
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[20:02] <barts1a> anyway; I have a total of 74 userboxes on my page now
[20:02] <barts1a> hoping to reach 100 by december
[20:02] <Panyd> for shame
[20:02] <Alex___> That 12 year old Zodiac killer is creepy.
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[20:03] <barts1a> Alex: WTF?
[20:03] <Alex___> ?
[20:03] <Alex___> It's creepy.
[20:03] <barts1a> zodiac killer? Explain please
[20:04] <Alex___> Wikipedia my friend.
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[20:05] <yamakiri> barts1a: once upon a time (4 years ago) when I was about to turn 13, I got banned for having too many userboxes
[20:05] <yamakiri> then sockpuppetry, but that's for another day ^_^
[20:05] <barts1a> eh...?
[20:05] <barts1a> it's userspace, you should be able to do what you like as long as you don't advertise
[20:06] <yamakiri> some WP:Myspace stuff
[20:06] <Alex___> barts1a: It was a crazy twelve year old in Japan that copied that Zodiac killer.
[20:06] <Alex___> The*
[20:06] <barts1a> oh...
[20:07] <yamakiri> what kind of 12 year old has the means to kill anyone
[20:07] <Alex___> The crazy kind.
[20:07] <Alex___> Would you like a link?
[20:07] <yamakiri> I was more concerned about having more userboxes than my friends
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[20:07] <barts1a> and how the hell did they hear about the zodiac killer anyway?
[20:08] <Alex___> The zodiac killer is Infamous.
[20:08] <Alex___> .-.
[20:08] <barts1a> not in Aus
[20:08] <barts1a> I hadn't heard of him untill today
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[20:09] <Alex___> Wow.
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[20:10] <Alex___> Would you like a link?
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[20:10] <barts1a> We're on the other side of the world from the US
[20:10] <barts1a> so yes please
[20:11] <Alex___> Ok.
[20:11] <Arlen22> Are there any bot coders here?
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[20:12] <MJ94> Arlen22: State your question, please. :)
[20:13] <Alex___>  barts1a: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer?wasRedirected=true
[20:14] <Arlen22> how do you access api.php
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[20:14] <barts1a> MJ94: I just got your Edit Summaries talk page message; have you noticed that the most recent; if not ALL recent edits without summaries are to my userspace?
[20:14] <Ryulong> I've got a possible problematic edit to a BLP page
[20:15] <Ryulong> can I get a second opinion on it?
[20:15] <MJ94> BarkingFish: Not true/
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[20:15] <BarkingFish> tab.complete.fail
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[20:16] <Alex___> barts1a: You check it out?
[20:17] <barts1a> the zodiac killer; yet
[20:17] <barts1a> *yes
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[20:18] <barts1a> MJ94: my last edit to a page WITHOUT a summary that was NOT my userpage was way back in July (23rd of July 2010)
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[20:18] <Alex___> Yeah if you want to know about the twelve year old copy cat, click on the japanese-like name under "copycas" under the picture.
[20:18] <barts1a> If you don't mind, I'm going to go ahead and remove the message
[20:20] <Alex___> What message?
[20:20] <barts1a> on my talk page
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[20:21] <Alex___> Oh lol
[20:21] <barts1a> you have to increase the limit to 500 on my contribs to find the last one without an edit summary that was not in my userspace/talk page
[20:22] <barts1a> *number of edits displayer
[20:22] <barts1a> **displayed
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[20:22] <OffToHades> right, it's getting late here, so I'm gonna sod off to bed.
[20:22] <OffToHades> See ya
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[20:30] <Alex___> Bye
[20:31] <Alex___> Who's Panzer?
[20:31] <barts1a> no idea
[20:31] <yamakiri> Wasn't that a division of German troops?
[20:32] <Headbomb> yo, can an admin move [[The elder scrolls v]] to [[The Elder Scolls V]]
[20:32] <Headbomb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_elder_scrolls_v
[20:33] <Headbomb> nevermind
[20:33] <Alex___> yamakiri: You are thinking of the tank
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[20:33] <yamakiri> ahh yes
[20:34] <Sunderland06> Well there was the Panzer Corps and that is a divison.
[20:34] <Sunderland06> So yeah.
[20:35] <MJ94> barts1a: Dude.
[20:35] <MJ94> You're wrong
[20:35] <MJ94> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Barts1a
[20:35] <MJ94> See? :P
[20:35] <barts1a> ...
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[20:35] <MJ94> WP:RFA
[20:35] <MJ94> WP:MFD
[20:35] <barts1a> userspace edits have no summary.... they don't NEED a summary
[20:35] <MJ94> Those are project spaces.
[20:36] <MJ94> Not userspaces.
[20:36] <barts1a> ...\
[20:36] <MJ94> User spaces are like.
[20:36] <MJ94> User:MJ94/Blah
[20:36] <MJ94> Not WP:RFA
[20:36] <barts1a> alright, provide a diff that is NOT my user: page with no edit summary
[20:37] <{Soap}> headbomb: why nevermind?
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[20:37] <{Soap}> do you think the page is still WP:CRYSTAL?
[20:37] <MJ94> barts1a: I did.
[20:37] <Headbomb> sources are based on an April 1 press releases
[20:37] <Headbomb> it's an april fool's joke
[20:37] <barts1a> no, that was contribs page
[20:37] <Headbomb> however, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V needs a redirect to [[The Elder Scrolls]]
[20:38] <{Soap}> youre sure it's April Fools?
[20:38] <{Soap}> and The_Elder_Scrolls_V was salted because it had been created many times
[20:38] <shimgray> oh, the capped form is protected?
[20:38] <barts1a> I need a DIFFERANCE link (Diff) of an edit without summary that is NOT in my user: page or userspace within 250 edits of my last edit
[20:38] <Headbomb> shimgray: yup
[20:38] <shimgray> right, that's why they created the lcase form
[20:38] <barts1a> if you can provide that I will put the comment back in
[20:38] <shimgray> makes sense
[20:38] <Headbomb> TES V is coming that much is true
[20:38] <Headbomb> but nothing's known about it
[20:39] <barts1a> Your move MJ94
[20:39] <MJ94> gathering diffs
[20:39] <{Soap}> theres also The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Alinor
[20:39] <{Soap}> which is also salted
[20:40] <Ryulong> hey
[20:40] <MJ94> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Barts1a&diff=prev&oldid=384294527 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Barts1a&diff=prev&oldid=384293876 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Minimac&diff=prev&oldid=384185622
[20:40] <Ryulong> who wants to take a look at a potentially libelous BLP edit
[20:40] <MJ94> There's more.
[20:40] <Headbomb> I'll create a section on TES V in the TES series
[20:41] <Headbomb> that should be enough
[20:41] <barts1a> That RFa edit DOES have a summary
[20:41] <MJ94> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Uchiha23/Awards&diff=prev&oldid=384288396 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Uchiha23/Awards&diff=prev&oldid=384288095
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[20:41] <barts1a> it only does NOT have a summary if it is COMPLETELY blank
[20:41] <barts1a> *unless
[20:41] <shimgray> heh. "This game has been spuriously announced here, here, here, here and here. We still don't know anything about it"
[20:41] <MJ94> barts1a: It's just a friendly suggestion. No need for anger.
[20:42] <barts1a> Those last 2 edit summaries are NOT blank
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[20:42] <MJ94> Technically they are
[20:42] <barts1a> an edit summary needs to be COMPLETELY blank to be counted as no-existant
[20:42] <barts1a> it shows which section was edit
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[20:42] <MJ94> do they say what the intention of your edit?
[20:42] <barts1a> *edited
[20:43] <barts1a> wikipedia users should be smart enough to LOOK at the section and see for themselvs
[20:43] <MJ94> No dude. They simply say what section you edited. Not the summary of your edit.
[20:43] <barts1a> *themselves
[20:43] <MJ94> barts1a: It's considered good practice to include one anyway.
[20:43] <barts1a> they can GET the summary IF THEY NEED TO by LOOKING at the CONTENT of the edit
[20:43] <MJ94> barts1a: It's considered good practice to include one anyway.
[20:43] <barts1a> I DID by pointing the user TO WHAT was edited!
[20:43] <MJ94> barts1a: Again, suggestion. No need for anger. :)
[20:44] <MJ94> barts1a: That's the default.
[20:44] <barts1a> it still counts as a summary
[20:44] <MJ94> ...
[20:44] <barts1a> there are THOUSANDS of other users AND ADMINS that use the same
[20:44] <barts1a> why not say the same to all of them as well?
[20:44] <{Soap}> hm?
[20:45] <{Soap}> whats going on?
[20:45] <MJ94> My edit summary could be HLFJIO'PHG, but it's not a good, helpful summary
[20:45] <MJ94> I'm explaining the importance of useful es's.
[20:45] <MrZ-man|lazin> {Soap}: we're freaking out, I think
[20:45] <barts1a> Not everyone uses a usefull ES
[20:45] <barts1a> *useful
06[20:46] * MJ94 sighs.
[20:46] <MJ94> You don't see my point.
[20:46] <{Soap}> I dont really place much value in the practice of using edit summaries outside mainspace
[20:46] <MJ94> It's helpful, and suggested, is all.
[20:46] <barts1a> AFK
[20:46] <{Soap}> I probably would agree with barts1a on this issue
[20:46] <MJ94> Really?
[20:46] <MJ94> Heh, ok
[20:46] <MJ94> also.
[20:46] <{Soap}> well, think of it this way
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[20:47] <{Soap}> on talk pages pretty much everything is either a new section or a reply
[20:47] <MJ94> mhm
[20:47] <{Soap}> and you can tell from the automatic summary which of those it is
[20:47] <{Soap}> on userpages itcould be anything, but those edits usually arent that important
[20:47] <MJ94> mhm
[20:47] <{Soap}> mainspace edit summaries are important though
[20:47] <barts1a> MJ94;  how is {{Busyweekdays}} a helpful edit summary?
[20:48] <MJ94> I added that template.
[20:48] <barts1a> it doesn't say what what the template does though
[20:48] <barts1a> or why you added it
[20:48] <MJ94> [Sae]: I see,
[20:49] <MJ94> er
[20:49] <MJ94> err
[20:49] <Dragonfly6-7> [[Why I Want to Fuck Ronald Reagan]]
[20:49] <MJ94> [Soap]
[20:49] <barts1a> exactly my point MJ94
[20:49] <MJ94> !link
[20:49] <MJ94> gah
[20:50] <MJ94> oh
[20:50] <MJ94> {Soap}: I see.
[20:50] <MJ94> {Soap}: soap, pm?
[20:50] <{Soap}> ok
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06[20:51] * Peter|laptop waves
[20:51] <Peter|laptop> Anyone home?
[20:51] <MJ94> No.
06[20:51] * barts1a opens, then slams the door
[20:51] <Peter|laptop> Why was their a tie on the door?
[20:52] <{Soap}> is this a riddle?
[20:52] <Sunderland06> Peter|laptop: Because your wifes cheating on you.
06[20:52] * Peter|laptop walks in and see's MJ94 making pullup ups with mom
[20:52] <Peter|laptop> 'OMG
[20:52] <Peter|laptop> to both
[20:52] <{Soap}> oh, right
[20:52] <Sunderland06> Haha.
[20:52] <Sunderland06> :p
[20:52] <{Soap}> that thing that roommates do
[20:52] <Peter|laptop> {Soap}, you don't have much use for that do you?
[20:52] <Peter|laptop> >;)
[20:52] <Peter|laptop> The sex part
[20:53] <{Soap}> right
[20:53] <Peter|laptop> You just will have to much chinese food one day and you will just divide
[20:53] <Peter|laptop> Like ChzZ
[20:53] <Peter|laptop> *Chzz
[20:53] <barts1a> MJ94: Another useless one: This is yours!: +
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[20:54] <barts1a> what did you add?
[20:54] <MJ94> :)
[20:54] <MJ94> :
[20:54] <MJ94> + always means I added a comment. it's over
[20:54] <MJ94> woah
[20:54] <MJ94> a smile and a colon?
[20:54] <Peter|laptop> GAH
[20:54] <Peter|laptop> Where is Brad >:(
[20:54] <Peter|laptop> I need him ><
[20:54] <barts1a> but I didn't know that
[20:55] <barts1a> Instead of + you could have put added comment
[20:55] <barts1a> that way I would KNOW what you added
[20:55] <barts1a> instead of being left to guess
[20:55] <MJ94> Peter|laptop: How are you?
[20:56] <Peter|laptop> Good
[20:56] <Peter|laptop> Why is barts1a yelling at you?
[20:56] <barts1a> he was asking me to use "useful" edit summaries when I just provided 2 cases where he did not so
[20:57] <Crimedog> *sigh*
[20:57] <Peter|laptop> What is it boy?
[20:57] <Peter|laptop> Did jimmy fall down the well! :O
[20:58] <Crimedog> I may be about to
[20:58] <Crimedog> BTW in the show, "Timmy" never actually ever fell down a well
[20:58] <Peter|laptop> Can I call you scruff mcgruff o.o
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[21:00] <Peter|laptop> OMG! McGruff is so cool! He has a blog so he must be cool! http://www.mcgruff.org/blog/2008/10/2243065.php
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[21:03] <Peter|laptop> Wait, what were you sighing about Crimedog?
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[21:06] <Peter|laptop> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/727ef9c0-9969-4f67-bb04-c86c3e35abdd.jpg O_o
[21:07] <barts1a> LOL!
[21:07] <Peter|laptop> How many vaginas do woman have....
[21:07] <Peter|laptop> Geeze, I thought we talked about this in health...
[21:07] <barts1a> hopefully not more that one
[21:08] <Peter|laptop> Chaoticfluffy, x-plain
[21:08] <Peter|laptop> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/f05be453-604e-4393-8ac6-4e539f6d062e.jpg
[21:08] <barts1a> failing in... 3... 2... 1 http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/a9f0dbee-e0b0-47cf-ad4a-3a422bbb9966.jpg
[21:09] <Peter|laptop> I love those type of fails
[21:10] <Peter|laptop> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/5c9b9c8f-361b-4cee-9f35-4973903ad95a.jpg
[21:10] <barts1a> When I said "Nuke it", I didn't mean NUKE it! http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/8e3d8290-e23c-4cb7-aa51-e064ea52c0db.jpg
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[21:11] <Peter|laptop> Vortex :O
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[21:12] <Peter|laptop> http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/028f3745-b8ce-4797-9b4b-8c7624f88f7a.jpg Pedo bear is watching
Session Close: Sat Sep 11 21:13:17 2010
Session Start: Sat Sep 11 21:13:17 2010
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Session Start: Sat Sep 11 21:15:52 2010
Session Ident: #wikipedia-en
03[21:15] * Now talking in #wikipedia-en
03[21:15] * Topic is 'English Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org | Status: Up | Channel guidelines at http://bit.ly/OiAr | For a channel operator, ask in #wikimedia-ops, or say !ops followed by your request | No public logging | If you need an admin, just ask. If it's an emergency requiring immediate attention, type !admin followed by the problem'
03[21:15] * Set by Stifle!~stifle@Wikipedia/Stifle on Fri Aug 20 13:01:14
[21:15] <***> Buffer Playback...
[21:15] <Alex___> [03:13:38] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK2iLnTR9V8
[21:15] <topaz> [03:13:42] you all understand what "per vagina" is intended to mean there, right?
[21:15] <Alex___> [03:13:55] Listen to that with headphones.
[21:15] <Alex___> [03:14:05] And pray you don't have a seizure.
[21:15] <Peter|laptop> [03:14:16] This Moe Lester guy sounds like a cool guy
[21:15] <Peter|laptop> [03:14:17] http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/27085ffa-ee0d-4fef-8ff7-20de3d890411.jpg
[21:15] <barts1a> [03:14:59] I didn't realize this was a game world! http://thatwillbuffout.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/funny-car-photos-its-important-to-keep-score.jpg
[21:15] <Peter|laptop> [03:15:46] lol
[21:15] <***> Playback Complete.
[21:16] <Peter|laptop> http://hackedirl.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/1803cb3c-ac49-4c62-8d6e-c1c6a9fce921.jpg
[21:16] <barts1a> My first reaction on seeing this: WTF? http://thatwillbuffout.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/please_wm.jpg?w=500&h=1125
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[21:17] <Peter|laptop> Reminds me of that guy from fox
[21:17] <Peter|laptop> What's his name
[21:17] <Peter|laptop> He's the total asshat
[21:17] <Peter|laptop> Erm..
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[21:17] <barts1a> Wording fail!
[21:18] <Peter|laptop> Wut?
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06[21:19] * barts1a just counteracted the fail with another fail
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[21:19] <Peter|laptop> http://www.google.com/products?q=zombie+sign&hl=en&aq=f  xD
[21:20] <barts1a> Total immersion 101: http://chzderp.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/9aa5e54f-4a52-4fe3-811a-99845446727a.jpg
[21:21] <Soxred93> derp
[21:22] <barts1a> FINALLY SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT! http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/dcf8ed14-1d56-4953-8495-8ef885d92bde.jpg
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[21:23] <Peter|laptop> hehe
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[21:25] <Peter|laptop> Hey la_pianista
[21:26] <la_pianista> Hey Peter|laptop
[21:27] <MeMuyVandalo> hi Canada, the guy who deleted the main page :P
[21:27] <la_pianista> Again?
[21:27] <la_pianista> Old joke is old.
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[21:27] <la_pianista> Rouge has turned rose.
[21:27] <la_pianista> We need more real red admins.
[21:27] <Canada> MeMuyVandalo: do I know you..?
[21:27] <MeMuyVandalo> nope
[21:28] <MeMuyVandalo> Incidentally I was looking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_stocks#Maxim_for_the_.22what_does_this_button_do.3F.22_award
[21:28] <Canada> oh I know about that...
[21:29] <Canada> MeMuyVandalo: the /actual/ moral of the story is to avoid IRC and WP when partially sedated
[21:29] <Canada> then you'd be able to make rational decisions
[21:30] <Herodotus> Allegedly.
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[21:31] <MeMuyVandalo> :)
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[21:34] <Ironholds> HOLY SHIT
[21:34] <Ironholds> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11274289
[21:34] <la_pianista> TURDS WITH HALOS
[21:35] <geniice> hmm apparently of the 4 DRC ministers we have articles on only three of them actualy exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DRCCabinet
[21:35] <Sunderland06> Ironholds: I'm guessing this saddnes you?
[21:35] <Sunderland06> *saddens
[21:36] <Ironholds> Sunderland06: his judgment in Bancoult? I mean, dear god
[21:36] <Sunderland06> I agree....
[21:36] <Sunderland06> (What the fuck is he talking about?)
[21:36] <Sunderland06> Sorry.
[21:37] <Ironholds> eh?
[21:38] <Sunderland06> I don't know what his judgement in Bancoult is.
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[21:38] <geniice> R (Bancoult) v Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (No 2) aparently
[21:38] <la_pianista> He's just agreeing with you to look *that* much more awesome.
[21:38] <Sunderland06> la_pianista: Precisely. :)
[21:38] <Ironholds> Sunderland06: he held that to remove the Chagossians was unconstitutional, illegal, a violation of the royal prerogative and utterly inappropriate
[21:38] <Ironholds> one of only two house of lords judges with the balls to do so
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[21:39] <Ironholds> he was.. probably the greatest judge we've had in a century
[21:39] <geniice> doubtful
[21:39] <Ironholds> Lord Denning was revolutionary, and incredibly wrong. Bingham was just revolutionary
[21:39] <Ironholds> geniice: okay, okay, Wilberforce as well
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[21:39] <Ironholds> Wilberforce has to be admired
[21:39] <Ironholds> and Reid
[21:40] <Ironholds> Wilberforce, Reid and Bingham. Ooh, and Goff.
[21:40] <Ironholds> Bingham, Godd, Reid, Wilberforce, in that order
[21:40] <Ironholds> *Goff
[21:41] <Ironholds> Bingham for his human rights decisions, Goff for his tort reform, Reid for his vision and Wilberforce for his public law work
[21:41] <geniice> it's been suggested that one of the downsides of the Bloody Sunday Inquiry is that it effectively eliminated much of Saville's time as a judge
[21:41] <Ironholds> eh, I never liked Saville
[21:41] <Ironholds> mind you, I can tell you precisely who the next generation will see as the most prominent and revolutionary lawyer
[21:42] <Ironholds> that is, of their generation
[21:42] <Ironholds> *judge
[21:42] <Ironholds> augh, alcohol is fucking with me
[21:42] <la_pianista> Ironholds : lawyers :: I : pianists
[21:42] <Ironholds> you : suck
[21:42] <la_pianista> I : suck other people than you
06[21:43] * la_pianista wins
[21:43] <la_pianista> Seriously. I now know what it's like for you folks to sit through my speeches on pedaling Baroque music.
[21:43] <Ironholds> la_pianista: well done
06[21:44] * la_pianista bows
[21:44] <geniice> well in terms of impact Eady
[21:44] <Ironholds> it was Goff, of course, who set down the modern law relating to trespass and nuisance
[21:44] <Ironholds> geniice: nope, and the judge I'm thinking of had a far greater impact in a single case
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[21:44] <Ironholds> Wilberforce's work with judicial review is not to be understated
06[21:44] * Peter|laptop huggles Netalarm 
[21:44] <Ironholds> and Reid's clarification, particularly concerning the Limitation Act 1963, was excellent
[21:44] <Ironholds> although limited in scope
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[21:46] <geniice> Eady's neutralisation of the Reynolds defence has had a fairly significant impact on the information in the public domain
[21:46] <Ironholds> of course
[21:46] <Ironholds> but look at Hale's judgment in Stack v Dowden alone
06[21:47] * Peter|laptop raises hand
[21:48] <Peter|laptop> Why the hell did the governments make copyrights last until 2035?
[21:48] <Peter|laptop> *2135
[21:48] <barts1a> I have no idea what you are talking about and am now going to watch the Chaser's APEC stunt again
[21:48] <Ironholds> Peter-C: it didnt
[21:48] <Peter|laptop> O_o
[21:48] <Ironholds> 2135? what the hells?
06[21:49] * Peter|laptop looks at the books "World Changing"
[21:49] <Peter|laptop> It says it ><
[21:49] <Peter|laptop> GAH
[21:49] <Peter|laptop> Fucking Al Gore
[21:49] <Peter|laptop> He fowarded the book!
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[21:50] <geniice> Ironholds unpublished crown copyright work created in 2010
[21:50] <geniice> anything goverment created after 1989 triggers a 125 year copyright if not published
[21:51] <Ironholds> ahh, unpublished, right
[21:51] <geniice> published commercialy
[21:52] <geniice> aparently stuff published uncommericaly still gets the 125 year treatment
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[21:53] <Peter|laptop> You need faster reaction time
[21:54] <Netalarm> lol
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[21:54] <Netalarm> i was watching Bones
[21:54] <Peter|laptop> OMGWTFBBQ! Is the new season on!
[21:55] <Ironholds> no
[21:55] <Netalarm> no idea
[21:55] <Netalarm> my50 chicago --> old reruns
06[21:55] * Netalarm doesn't have cable
[21:55] <Peter|laptop> Me neither
[21:55] <Peter|laptop> But I have Hulu
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06[22:16] * la_pianista stops searching
06[22:16] * la_pianista has found TheAnswer
06[22:16] * la_pianista can die happy, now
[22:16] <TheAnswer> XD
[22:16] <TannerF> but have you found the thing?
[22:16] <TannerF> you know
[22:16] <TannerF> THE thing
[22:16] <la_pianista> The thing a thing?
[22:17] <la_pianista> Who needs the thing when you have the *answer*?
[22:17] <TannerF> not just any thing, but *the* thing
[22:17] <la_pianista> The answer will reveal where the thing is.
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[22:17] <la_pianista> The answer will reveal everything.
[22:17] <la_pianista> Even things that do not wish to be revealed.
[22:17] <TheAnswer> ^^
[22:17] <TannerF> including where Canada is?
06[22:17] * la_pianista pulls up her collar protectively
[22:17] <la_pianista> Even that.
[22:17] <Canada> ?
[22:18] <TannerF> We're just having some pun
[22:18] <la_pianista> Some punny pun.
[22:18] <la_pianista> Never mind you.
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[22:18] <la_pianista> As we all very well know, and as TheAnswer has told us, Canada is wayyy in Southeast Asia.
[22:18] <la_pianista> Obviously.
[22:18] <la_pianista> (wb ANowlin)
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[22:19] <Peter-C> la_pianista check ur PM's >:(
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[22:20] <TannerF> i ate too much tonight
06[22:21] * Peter-C pumps TannerF's stomach
[22:21] <Peter-C> I need a c-section here!
[22:21] <TannerF> umm
[22:21] <Peter-C> Nurse la_pianista pointy object!
[22:21] <TannerF> i'm a male
[22:22] <Peter-C> Yes but we need to get the food out of you
[22:22] <TannerF> and contradictary to what IShadowed_ says i'm NOT having a kid
[22:22] <la_pianista> Just stick a finger in the back of your mouth, Tanner.
[22:22] <TannerF> i dont need to lose weight
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[22:22] <TannerF> i need to gain
[22:22] <Peter-C> Canada can I have your opnion?
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[22:23] <Canada> ???
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[22:24] <Peter-C> MuZemike your a doctor!
[22:24] <Peter-C> Should I give TannerF a c-section
[22:24] <IShadowed_> you're*
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[22:24] <Peter-C> He ate yo much
[22:24] <TannerF> he is?
[22:24] <Peter-C> IShadowed_ STFU murse
[22:24] <Peter-C> (yes murse)
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[22:24] <MuZemike> I'm not in a good mood right now
[22:24] <IShadowed_> murse isn't a word?
[22:24] <TannerF> um
[22:24] <Peter-C> Male nurse
[22:24] <TannerF> ishadowed is a female?
[22:24] <Peter-C> Oh yea xD
[22:24] <IShadowed_> Classy.
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[22:25] <MuZemike> I got shitheads intentionally getting around semi-protection on my talk page to specifically issue death threats, and idk what the fuck to do.
[22:25] <Dusti|DND> I need someone who's familiar with the reviewer flag
03[22:25] * Dusti|DND is now known as Dusti
[22:25] <Peter-C> Dude, you're the admin
[22:25] <Peter-C> We come to you with this shit
[22:25] <TannerF> and checkuser
[22:25] <Peter-C> You should know what to do
[22:25] <MuZemike> We're an open encyclopedia; we can only do so much.
[22:25] <Peter-C> Be a responsible adult
[22:25] <Peter-C> Get a adult!
[22:25] <MuZemike> What, full-protect my talk page?
[22:26] <Netalarm> just ignore...?
[22:26] <Ironholds> Peter-C, remember how you wanted me to stop being rude to you because you're a butthurt, blubbering little pussy?
[22:26] <Netalarm> no big deal
[22:26] <Dusti> MuZemike, create another talk page
[22:26] <Ironholds> step 1; please shut the fuck up right now
[22:26] <Peter-C> TannerF fetch a responsible adult!
[22:26] <Dusti> for uncomfirmed users
[22:26] <Dusti> and fully protect your general talk page
[22:26] <MuZemike> I already done that
[22:26] <Dusti> Then start blocking indef
[22:26] <Dusti> there's not much more you can do
[22:26] <Netalarm> Do we have an edit filter for death threats?
[22:26] <TannerF> MuZemike: you could checkuser and contact their ISP
[22:26] <Betacommand> MuZemike: what are they doing? rangeblocks not an option?
[22:26] <MuZemike> Nope
[22:26] <Netalarm> hmm
[22:27] <TannerF> ugh
[22:27] <TannerF> i lost almost all of my channels
[22:27] <TannerF> over half of them
[22:27] <TannerF> >:(
[22:27] <MuZemike> Perhaps this is how people get driven off the encyclopedia, when vandals like this get smart enough.
[22:27] <Netalarm> or when the community doesnt allow change to adapt
[22:28] <TannerF> was that nope to an edit filter, or rangeblock?
[22:28] <Netalarm> both prolly
[22:29] <TannerF> emailing the ISP may be an option
[22:30] <Netalarm> .....
[22:30] <TannerF> i said may
[22:30] <Netalarm> death threats...?
[22:30] <Netalarm> i'd say DoS attacks, port scanning
[22:30] <Netalarm> not one-time threats
06[22:31] * la_pianista does a drive-by comfort
[22:31] <Peter-C> Yikes :S - https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MuZemike&action=historysubmit&diff=384290718&oldid=384286799
06[22:31] * la_pianista reads the log and comforts MuZemike
06[22:31] * la_pianista flies off
[22:32] <MuZemike> I can't stop this guy, even with CU
[22:33] <ipatrol_> edit filters?
[22:33] <TannerF> Netalarm: know regex?
[22:34] <Netalarm> TannerF, yes
[22:34] <ipatrol_> also, check the IPs you're getting
[22:34] <ipatrol_> university, open proxies
[22:35] <ipatrol_> if he's using a botnet for vandalism, I can only say he has quite the nerve
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[22:39] <Peter-C> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI
[22:39] <Peter-C> christian rock x10 cooler xD
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[22:41] <IShadowed_> ew christian rock
[22:41] <IShadowed_> ew benny hinn
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[22:42] <Peter-C> lol
[22:42] <ipatrol_> lol
[22:44] <ipatrol_> |#| |#| -> ,.,.,,._{.,..~.
[22:44] <killiondude> :-|
[22:44] <Peter-C> MOAR
[22:44] <Peter-C> CAUSE
[22:44] <Peter-C> MOAR
[22:44] <ipatrol_> :-(
[22:44] <Peter-C> http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/MOAR.jpg
[22:44] <ipatrol_> 9/11/10
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[22:45] <la_pianista> Christian rock is an insult to rock.
[22:46] <Peter-C> agreed
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[22:47] <IShadowed_> Christian rock is an insult, end of story.
06[22:47] * ipatrol_ throws a rock at la_pianista
[22:47] <la_pianista> So thou hast not sinned?
06[22:48] * ipatrol_ throws a bigger one
06[22:48] * la_pianista throws a BOULDER
06[22:48] * ipatrol_ throws a NUKE
06[22:49] * Peter-C throws hypno toad
[22:50] <Peter-C> la_pianista is about to throw a fit o.o
06[22:50] * la_pianista throws a fit.
[22:50] <la_pianista> Ouch.
[22:50] <la_pianista> That looked like it hit you pretty hard.
06[22:50] * ipatrol_ throws Programming Perl, thrd edition (with recipies section)
06[22:50] * Peter-C throws bikini chicks at la_pianista
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[22:51] <Sunderland06> Hmm, she must be busy with the bikini chicks.
[22:51] <Peter-C> http://opensat.cc/ open source sat software o.o
[22:51] <Peter-C> and how to make a sat
[22:52] <Peter-C> http://opensat.cc/download/DIYSatellite_en.pdf
03[22:57] * pianista|brb is now known as la_pianista
[22:57] <la_pianista> Wait, Peter-C.
[22:57] <la_pianista> I don't understand...
[22:57] <la_pianista> Throwing bikini chicks at me will have no effect.
[22:57] <la_pianista> Since I am *obviously* one of them...
06[22:57] * la_pianista struts
[22:58] <TannerF> unless...
[22:58] <la_pianista> Unless...
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[22:58] <la_pianista> Unless I am TannerF in disguise.
[22:58] <TannerF> ong toad
[22:58] <TannerF> omg
[22:59] <la_pianista> omg
[22:59] <TannerF> on the outside of my window
[22:59] <TannerF> its sitting there
[22:59] <TannerF> omg it ate a cricket
[22:59] <TannerF> the chirping is gone :D
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[23:00] <la_pianista> And so a Wikipedian catches a rare glimpse of nature...
[23:00] <la_pianista> From his natural habitat, in front of his computer, on IRC.
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[23:01] <TannerF> i have 7 computers in my bedroom
[23:01] <la_pianista> I have two pianos and a keyboard in my house.
[23:01] <la_pianista> So.
[23:01] <la_pianista> Someone has a life.
[23:01] <la_pianista> :p
[23:01] <la_pianista> I don't know who that person is, though.
[23:01] <Betacommand> search servers just crashed
[23:01] <la_pianista> Don't go looking at me.
[23:01] <TannerF> i have... a trumpet?
06[23:02] * Andrensath looks at la_pianista suspiciously.
06[23:02] * la_pianista returns Andrensath's glance with an elegantly raised eyebrow
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[23:04] <la_pianista> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zGx98fuR4I
[23:04] <la_pianista> BOOM
[23:04] <la_pianista> Everyone with ten fingers just got burnnnned.
[23:06] <killiondude> I have 3
[23:06] <la_pianista> Oh.
[23:06] <la_pianista> Well...
[23:06] <la_pianista> Then you're exempt.
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[23:06] <killiondude> the only plus about having 3 fingers
[23:06] <killiondude> o/
[23:07] <la_pianista> Hell, you might the best pianist alive, Killiondude.
[23:07] <la_pianista> Considering how fast you can type.
[23:07] <killiondude> Heh.
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Tuesday, July 21, 2020

Things Found Online: San Diego State U. College Republican Party Facebook

San Diego State University has student versions of the Elephant and Donkey parties (Republicans and Democrats for the non-Americans reading this). These clubs are supposed to work under the SDSU Associated Students umbrella, and the College Democrats do. The College Republicans were removed for some infraction (possibly monetary) at some time before 2010, but they can still use college spaces. They've also dropped out of the California College Republicans meta-association over things revealed by the former leader of the SDSU-GOP Madison Marks-Noble about now ex-CCR head Ariana Rowlands called the Chico State Republicans President Sarah Morcott a "bitch." Rowlands wanted Marks-Noble to resign; the SDSU-GOP left the CCR instead. It should be understood that under Marks-Noble's leadership the club was infiltrated by the Identity Evropa white supremacist group, and that they were also part of UCSD's College Republican outfit as well. Identity Evropa changed their name to the "American Identity Movement" after they were exposed by Unicorn Riot; one of Identity Evropa's leaders is Patrick Casey, a SDSU graduate. Today the SDSU College Republicans are being run by Oliver Krvaric, the son of San Diego Republican Party chief Tony Krvaric*, and he's gone all-in with the Trump buzzwords of "Nationalist" and "America First", which explains these two screenshots from February:



When you are claiming that hate speech doesn't exist and speaking well of Enoch Powell's "Rivers of Blood" speech (while claiming that "mass immigration" ravaged a declining British Empire), you might be a crypto-Nazi. Their Twitter account (https://twitter.com/SDSUCR) is laden with little bombs from  Right-wing YouTube ranters and others. The garish "vaporwave"- style of the header was changed over to this faux-English mansion library, but nothing has really changed.


The eagle logo looks a lot like the cover of Nevada Fighter by Michael Nesmith and the First National Band, but otherwise "meh."

As a final note, when May rolled around and students graduated "virtually" into a COVID-wrecked economy, SDSU-GOP published a letter to Trump asking to end H1B visas, and Oliver Krvaric was there on Tucker Carlson to explain his "points." He also appeared on KUSI-TV in San Diego County to also pontificate. Both of these videos come from Tony Krvaric's YouTube account.





Yes, we are probably going to get more of that Duncan D. Hunter-style action in the future, just watch.


* Tony may have control of the SD-GOP but he is not loved by certain people in the party - there was a major push by a lady in North County to get anybody to replace Krvaric in 2013; she had a Facebook page and was making calls, all because of how poorly things had gone in recent elections. Even the revelation that he was "Strider" of "Fairlight", leader of a Scandinavian warez-cracking group for Commodore 64 games in the 1980s, hasn't taken him down (yes, the father of an immigrant-bashing son is himself an immigrant, a Swede of Croatian descent.) The facts ought to be fascinating, when they come to light.

Friday, May 22, 2020

Son of "Wikipedia Tags and Eastern European Politics"

A few years ago this blog looked at those Wikipedia "tag" boxes where admins decided that articles were not up to snuff for a Wikipedia article....which is a laugh if you have read random Wikipedia pages. As the opening examples for this installment, here is the tag over the stub for August von Kageneck, a German aristocrat and Wehrmacht panzer commander in WWII who later had a long career in journalism.


And his brother, the Luftwaffe fighter pilot and Count who was shot down in North Africa and died in a military hospital in Naples during January of 1942. He had 67 kills, many on the Eastern Front.



Above is his Bf.109E-7 fighter, a Messerschmitt subvariant that was getting long on the tooth by 1941 but common in the Mediterranean; note the white "North Africa" band near the tail. Many "Battle of Britain" E models would up in the puppet air forces of the dismembered states of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, along with fascist Bulgaria and Hungary. Most of the surviving E models after 1941 ended up as fighter trainers in Germany or converted to fighter-bombers attacking shipping in the English Channel or bombing battlefront targets inside the USSR. (Drawing from website "Wings Palette".)



As a "related" article to the August von Kageneck bio, the Sturmgeschütz III piece also has a tag dating back to the end of 2013. For those not in the know, a StüG was an assault gun/tank killer built on a turretless Panzer III hull - a casement with square hatches in the roof and tank periscopes protected the crew, while the cannon was mounted on a mantlet. They were a stopgap solution for catching up to Soviet tank numbers, which they never truly did.

Not even ham radio is safe....

Even nerdy topics like amateur radio bands suffer from these tags, as can be seem in the article on the 40 meter shortwave band:


And you can see here, that box has been sitting there for eight years because whoever asked those questions gave up and dropped out of Wikipedia, lots of 'bots in the revision history. Also many of the people writing about 7 Megahertz don't seem to have actually listened to the band - thanks to mainland Chinese "border blaster" shortwave transmitters, the top end of the band is useless late at night unless you are using Morse code or single-sideband if you live on the West Coast. The Chinese transmissions can be heard clearly in Utah if the ions are right.

Scambaiting also suffers on Wikipedia



These are the people who troll Internet popup scams with telephone numbers to call, robocallers that connect to boiler rooms, and other telephone scams (power shutoff, the grandparent or 'relative in trouble' scam, numerous other grifts). Most of the scammers are working in Mumbai (Bombay) boiler rooms, or are one-man scams in Lagos, Nigeria* - the utility shutoff, IRS back taxes, and 'relative in trouble' scammers are American boiler rooms, though I've heard of grandparent scam calls coming from Mexico to hoodwink elderly Hispanic people. They want Moneygram payments, gift card numbers, money orders, and other low-rent methods of sending cash that doesn't involve checks or traceable money. Notice that I've linked to videos from Hoax Hotel, a YouTuber who has been doing edited videos of calls to scammers for five years. Wikipedia will not mention him at all - they like Kitbogaa streamer who does all of his scambaiting live. This means the videos (even the slightly edited ones) can go on for an hour or two, because Kitboga uses a voice changer and a mixing board to control the call in bizarre ways, and if it's a computer scam, he has a fake shell operating system as a "sandbox" while streaming/recording everything on another machine. Hoax Hotel cuts these down to 10 or 20 minute videos, which means that unlike Kitboga he is being penalized by the YouTube algorithem's love for long videos (longer videos, more chances to stick ads in them.) There are far more scambaiters than both of these guys, and before scambaiting there were the telemarketer harassers like Jim Florentine, Tom Mabe, many others. I could mention prank callers like Brad "RBCP" Carter of the Phone Losers of America, Captain Janks (the poser who calls into national news stations so he can say "Howard Stern's penis" after a few minutes of fake responses), the unfortunately recently-deceased Carlito (a friend of RBCP's), Longmont Potion Castle, John Legend, numerous others, but I consider prank calls to be another form of "telephone art."


Above: the short-lived "Nicole Mayhem" channel, who used scripts and auto-dialing to jam up IRS scammers (fake IRS agents demanding back taxes by telephone) in India. "She" only operated in 2017.


Back to Ukraine and Russia.....

If you know the history of Russia and Ukraine from 1850 onward, then Wikipedia's articles can be darkly hilarious. The bio of Symon Petliura, head of the short-lived sovereign Ukrainian People's Republic (1918-21), hems and haws about his responsibility over the various pogroms carried out in his territory during the Russian Civil War, and won't name the 1919 pogrom in Proskuriv that UPR troops  carried out. Certainly Petliura spoke against pogroms in 1919, and they weren't UPR official policy, but I will be damned if they didn't keep happening, within the UPR forces, the Ukrainian warlords, the Polish Army, and even within the Red Army. Up to 50,000 Jewish people were killed and the majority of killings ("two-thirds" claims Chirstopher Gilley in that opendemocracy.net article) are laid at Petliura's feet. In fact, Symon Petliura's murder in broad daylight on a street in Paris in 1926 was a direct result of these pogroms - the gunman, Sholem Schwartzbard lost relatives in these extrajudicial killings, and the French court was unwilling to convict him.

The Ukrainian Insurgent Army article is shot through with obviously fought-over editing and a 2013 tag under the "Reconciliation" section - weirdly they have a ranks chart but no drawings of what UPA men looked like in uniform. I found the art below on Pinterest:



A company commander, circa 1943. Notice that the uniform looks German-like with the ribbed patch pockets on the chest, the long boots, the "Sam Brown" belt with the shoulder strap and the location of the pistol holster on the belt. This was taken from a Ukrainian book on the exploits of the UPA.



The drawing says this is what they looked like in 1943-44, but I've seen shoulder straps on UPA uniforms from earlier in the war, 1941-42. The UPA used a dual-rank system of regular army ranks mixed with positions like "battalion commander", "squad leader", "regional commander", etc. It does get the green uniform color right and the use of the Ukrainian trident, an insignia still in use with no modification by Ukrainian armed forces today. The only difference between that trident and the one used by nationalist militias in the Donbass in the last seven years is a sword as the middle spike of the trident, an insignia seen in Ukraine during the war.



The style of insignia Wikipedia has, which is of the positional ranks. The black square on the left is the insignia of the Supreme Commander, with a German-style oak leaf. The yellow ranks are for subordinate ranks, so "sub-company commander" and "sub-battalion commander."

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The West Russian Volunteer Army article is open that Ussuri Cossack warlord Bermondt-Avalov's forces were backed by Germany through the "Black Reichswehr" in 1918-19, and that  there were a large-ish contingent of Freikorps goons/last-ditch soldiers within the "Bermontians", of whom every member wore a cloth white Russian Orthodox cross stitched to the left upper-arm of their uniform, including Bermondt-Avalov himself:


That is a partial screenshot from Wikipedia itself. Nary a word that the Latvians despised him and his army and that they forced him and the Freikorps out of the country after less than two years. They will mention that he became a convinced Nazi (though the love was not shared by Hitler) and that he fled to the United States and died there in 1974. Speaking of the Black Reichswehr.....


......that article is allegedly borked as well. Notice that this tag, like many in this article, is years old and yet no effort has been made to clean things up so that the tag can be removed. Art Madrid is still mayor of La Mesa, CA., even after my article on that gap between Wikipedia and reality.


The worst gun article on Wikipedia, maybe.....



Meanwhile the article on the 1870 Belgian Comblain rifle is a masterpiece of barely explaining how the gun works (it's a single-shot rifle with a falling block, so the back of the firing chamber flips up after loading) and how it was used in the late 19th century "War of the Pacific" between Chile and the combined forces of Bolivia and Peru. They also "link mention" how the 1882 version of the weapon was used for a period during World War I by the Belgians. You are better off with this YouTube video. Notice that it has no tag, though it is screaming for a rewrite.


This will never end....

As with all the IRC chat records I have posted on this site, the number of tags on the English-language is vast and most tags seem to be 7 to 10 years old. Wikipedia needs a paid editorial staff to turn this made-for-free goulash into a real encyclopedia, but that's not happening. We will be come back with more examples at a later date.

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* The one-man operations also exist in Eastern Europe and Canada, it depends on the scam. I mentioned the Nigerians because Hoax Hotel had hours of fun with those guys early on with his channel.