At first I was just going to write about the still-online but no-longer-updating 100 Reasons NOT to go to Graduate School(last post: August, 2018), but there are so many others from the glory years of blogging (2004-2020).
Confession of a College Professor (2013-2020)
This was a blog of musings by a conservative college professor ("Professor Doom") who taught Mathematics and was stuck doing a lot of remedial classes. He got cancer and died of it sometime in 2019 or 2020, and a friend uploaded the final posts. Prof Doom gave us such bangers as "Why Remedial Students Should Leave College" and "New Campus Commissar: Departmental Academic Diversity Officer" and a series on college myths. This is the same Professor Doom that publishedWhy Johnny Can't Read, Write, or Do 'Rithmetic Even With a College Degree in 2014. I haven't read the book, but any fan of Charles Sykes' ProfScam (1988) might nod in agreement.
Inside Boston University (2013-2020)
I've mentioned Ray Carney on this blog before, but this is is his possibly-defunct blog about working at Boston University, the private college in the town of the same name in Massachusetts. Pretty much Carney (being a decent film theorist and film historian) is butting heads with the grubby masters of the Film & Video Department at BU, who are conning their young charges into seeing themselves as the next Steven Spielberg or Martin Scorsese, while Carney is a skeptic concerning the artistic merits of film because it is such a young art form, and one that is shot through with market demands. Also the Film Department is passing off lower-level courses as graduate level ones to out-of-town students, a claim that deserves investigation from whomever accredits colleges on the East Coast.
The Rate Your Students (2005-2010) and College Misery (2010-2016) saga
Rate Your Studentsbegan as a Bush II-era (pre-crash) mockery of the schlocky Rate My Professors website (founded 1999) with anonymous professors ranting about how crappy their students were academically (all the standard BS of grade grubbing, begging for extra credit, other undergrad social diseases the non-Golden Children probably remember if they did time in an American U.) Over time they started ripping the shit buildings, shit administrations, and general second-handedness of life in most non-Ivy schools.
By 2010, Rate Your Students petered out, and a new blog run by some readers popped up the same year. College Misery picked up the slack, printing anonymized emails about the crap students, the crap buildings, the nincompoop leadership, etc. During 2014 the blog went through some backroom drama, and reader Beaker Ben ran the Academic Water Cooler (which you can only see on archive.org, unfortunately) for that 11 month period. I still don't know why College Misery closed down, and really the best of it should be published as a book. Also, Yaro IS the Christ.
Bonus: Thomas Frank Savagely Rip the American University
In the pages of The Baffler magazine back in 2013, founding editor Thomas Frank decided to look at US colleges and things were pretty ugly. "Academy Fight Song" rips all of it, even the textbook scam:
An educational publisher wrote to me a few months back; they wanted to reprint an essay of mine that they had seen on the Internet, where it is available for free. The textbook in which they wanted to include it, they said, would be “inexpensively priced,” and authors were therefore being asked to keep their reprint fees to a minimum. The low, low price that students were to pay for this textbook: $75.95. “Approximately.”
I was astounded, but it took just a few minutes of research to realize that $76 was, in fact, altruistic by the standards of this industry. Paying $250 for a textbook is more like it nowadays; according to one economist, textbook prices have increased 812 percent over the past thirty-five years, outstripping not only inflation (by a mile) but every other commodity—home prices, health care—that we usually consider to be spiraling out of control.
The explanation is simple. The textbook publishers use every trick known to the marketing mind to obsolete their products year after year, thus closing off the possibility of second-hand sales. What’s more, textbook publishing is a highly concentrated industry—an oligopoly—which means they can drive prices pretty much as high as they feel like driving them. Meanwhile, the professors who assign the textbooks and who might do something about the problem don’t have to pay for them.
In the Spring of 2014, Frank talked to Radio Open Source, and the 18-minute interview is fascinating for all the outsiders who might read these words. For the insiders, those who have spent time in the American University in the last 25 years, cringe and have 'Nam flashbacks.
The reader looks at the post title and asks themselves "Who is Mike Huben?" Huben was the founder/editor of Critiques of Libertarianism, a website that had been around since the mid-1990s. The original version of the website was a simple all-text-and-hyperlinks affair, as were most sites in the Netscape Navigator era of the Internet; a few years ago Huben switched over to a Wiki-style site at another address....and then it all imploded. The site went blank a few years ago, and then went down. The original (now badly link-rotted) also vanished, though you can get to it via archive.org.
So why care about Huben? The guy knows his stuff; he was arguing with 'tarians and O-ists (what they were calling Libertarians and Objectivists in the '90s) on Usenet newsgroups back when The Internet was brand-new. He had actually written one of the first FAQs on the subject ("A Non-Libertarian FAQ", link here.) My understanding is that Mike Huben moved to Costa Rica (?) within the last decade and started a new life, which I think meant that he gave up doing math for a paycheck, and the English-language Internet stopped being so damn interesting.
As long as you are here, please check out Ayn Rand Contra Human Nature, which started off as a book of the same title by Greg S. Nyquist in 2001. I know I first found the blog via Huben's website, which I forgot to mention was a giant collection of links on top of being a series of critiques of Libertarian ideas; they had an entire section on Rand and Objectivism (her take on Libertarianism). It was here I first read the name "Murray Rothbard" in conjunction with his satirical play "Mozart Was a Red", which took pot-shots at Ayn Rand's group of fan-collaborators, "The Collective" which he was a part of for a period, alongside Allan "The Undertaker" Greenspan. In fact, the Rand stuff was the most interesting part of Critiques of Libertarianism; that woman was an utter nut. The ARCHN blog hammers that home if you read the posts from 2006 to 2014. Pass it along to friends who have fallen into the Rand rabbit-hole. And if anybody who reads this knows Mike Huben, please pass along that I would love to interview him on the subject, because of all the overlap with the early years of Wikipedia (he might have argued with Wales and Sanger in ancient times.)
Encyclopedia Dramatica has the basics on Snowolf; he's an Italian guy in Trieste who is a domain squatter, last we heard. An example of his dickery in English:
....In December 2014, three Wikipediocracy users set up a "#Wikipediocracy" channel on Freenode. They
were discussing unrelated items when showed up and destroyed the channel.
Capture:
• metasonix (misspelling intentional)
• Stierlitz I blame weird keyboard angles.
• metasonix Two-way radio ceased to be "magic" by the 1970s, really.
• comets (~xchat@wikimedia/Cometstyles) has joined
• Stierlitz Transistors made it too commonplace.
• Stierlitz Hello, comets.
• QueenOfFrance (~snowolf@wikimedia/Snowolf) has joined
• QueenOfFrance (~snowolf@wikimedia/Snowolf) has left ("We are leaving you peasants.")
• metasonix Ha ha, Wikipedians are showing up.....
• Snowolf (~quassel@wikimedia/Snowolf) has joined
• metasonix "Queenoffrance" is Maurizio "Snowolf" Lussetti.....
• ChanServ gives channel operator status to Snowolf
• metasonix Welcome back, Maurizio. I'm curious why you spent so much time trying to squat
domain names.
• Snowolf sets ban on *!~metasonix@*.sonic.net
• Snowolf has kicked metasonix from #wikipediocracy (Kindergarten is elsewhere!)
• Snowolf removes channel operator status from Snowolf
• ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) has joined
• services. gives channel operator status to ChanServ
• Stierlitz The hell?
• Stierlitz What is your deal, Snowolf?
• Snowolf hmm?
• comets o/
• comets ur chan snowy?:P
• Stierlitz He gave Metasonix the boot for no reason.
• Snowolf Actually, I've removed him for attempting to out me:)
And now to annoy the readers more, here is what these goobers were doing on what must have been Thanksgiving in 2009.
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[17:15] <eptalon> Fleetflame: I think I do.
[17:16] <Fleetflame> eptalon: never mind, thanks anyway
[17:17] <eptalon> Fleetflame: what would you need that for?
[17:17] <Fleetflame> eptalon: a report
[17:17] <eptalon> Fleetflame: you said you already got the pdf?
[17:57] <Schroeder> do I want to write my paper for Islamic History that's due Wednesday, or play NetHack and listen to Wolfmother and Shostakovich?
[17:57] <PeterSymonds> Fleetflame, yeah yeah. ;p
[17:58] <Fleetflame> :D
[17:58] <ceranthor> Fleetflame, have you told 'em yet?
[17:58] <ceranthor> On .help?
[17:58] <Fleetflame> huh?
[17:58] <ceranthor> nvm
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[17:58] <ceranthor> Wrong person I guess.
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[18:02] <Schroeder> hey, is anyone interested in a chess-by-email group?
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[18:06] <Fleetflame> Schroeder: tried it, doesn't work
[18:59] <BarkingFish> derenrich, When palm kernel oil is cold, it hardens, hence peanut butter being quite thick
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[19:00] <derenrich> BarkingFish: what else could I add then?
[19:00] <derenrich> i want more dimension
[19:00] <derenrich> in my soup
[19:00] <BarkingFish> But when it's heated, it loses it's bonding properties, liquifies and you wind up with a mess of peanuts at the bottom, and PKO floating on top
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[22:32] <DarkAudit> a bad precedent is about to be set in [[Brian Joseph Stone]]
[22:33] <DarkAudit> CSDs are being declined because the service medals awarded just for showing up are being considered an "assertion of notability"
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[22:34] <Sky2042_afk> Checking out the medals, they aren't compellingly asserting notability.
[22:35] <harej> you're all dumbasses
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[22:35] <Sky2042_afk> Bye harej.
[22:35] <DarkAudit> That would lead to several hundred thousand articles on service members who do no more than their job, but cannot be considered for CSD
[22:36] <Schroeder> DarkAudit: speedy deletion is vandalism anyway
[22:36] * Sky2042_afk sighs.
[22:36] <Schroeder> anything that exists is a valid and proper subject for an article
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[22:36] <Sky2042_afk> Schroeder: No. And no.
[22:36] <Sky2042_afk> DarkAudit: Indeed.
[22:36] <Schroeder> actually, yes and yes
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I've been following The Baffler since the Clinton years, though the magazine itself started off as a college hobby of Thomas Frank and Keith White in 1988. Issues started off sporadic and then went yearly by the early 1990s (after Frank had burned through grad school and graduated in 1990) and it chugged along as a yearly or bi-annual until a fire ravaged their Chicago offices in early May, 2001. Their archives were partially destroyed, and they started a literal "fire sale" of semi-smoke-damaged books and issues (I have some stuff from that). For the rest of the Aughts it mostly because a yearly again. In 2010 they moved to Cambridge, Massachusetts, and for a period were involved with the MIT Press, then became a non-profit foundation and are publishing as a bi-monthly. Since that MIT period, the website has been open for viewing....until late September this year, when the site got the "three views for a month" disease you see with the New York Times. So it's now, "pays ya money, sees our crap" when they don't even have the greatest series of stories they ever published, "I, Faker" by Paul Maliszewski. It only exists on archive.org, and I don't want to lose the blog copypasting it here.
Can we just admit that the Internet in the 2020s just sucks ass?
Above: David Graeber debates literal gay vampire Peter Thiel on technofutures and technofailure in 2014.
This was presented by The Baffler. Graeber is now deceased, and Peter Thiel is still bitter about college.
I could give you the Cryptkeeper opening of "Hullo, Boils and Ghouls" but we're all adults here, so let's begin The List.....
Above: Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed (1969). One of Peter Cushing's later outings as Baron von Frankenstein for Hammer Pictures of the UK, here he is trying to cure a scientist of his insanity using really outre methods and making another Modern Promethus on the side. Cushing keeps his pimp hand strong, slapping around the kid who later played young Winston Churchill (Simon Ward) for "disobeying him". The Hammer Frankenstein movies had to be grist for Mel Brooks' mill alongside the Universal classics when he and his writers concocted Young Frankenstein in 1974.
Below: One of the worst movies ever made, Monster A-Go-Go (1965) started like as an early Bill Rebane movie, Terror at Half Day, about a mutated astronaut in the wilds outside Chicago. That early '60s film ran out of money and sat in storage until Herschell Gordon Lewis (creator of the "splatter genre" of horror, who gave us The Gore Gore Girls and Blood Freak) came calling looking for a movie he could use as part of a double bill. Rebane sold him the film (and it is contested if it was 50 percent done, 80 percent done, or what) and Lewis finished and edited the picture in a rush (lots of missing sound effects, musical cues, and a guy makes a telephone noise (!) at one point), so what you see is not Rebane's vision (if he had one, this was the guy who gave us The Giant Spider Invasion, after all). Bonus: the Mystery Science Theater version.
A goofy, low-budget romp, Shriek of the Mutilated (1974) was made by the same husband and wife team that gave us 1977's Snuff, one of the movies the British "video nasties" law was probably aimed at before the Italian giallo flick Cannibal Holocaust (1980) appeared in tape rental stores, which outclassed it for faked and real gore (they kill a sea turtle on camera in Cannibal Holocaust, yuck.) In Shriek, director Michael Findlay has East Coast college students drive out to an rural island which has a Yeti somehow, and the weirdness piles on from there. After Michael's death in a brutal helicopter accident, his widow Roberta Findlay had a career making budget films and doing cinematography for porn movies, among other behind-the-camera jobs. This one is on Tubi, so the link is here. Trailer is below.
Above: War of the Gargantuas (1966), a "quasi-sequel" (Wikipedia's words) to 1965's Frankenstein vs. Baragon. The two Gargantuas are the cellular descendants of the heart of the Frankenstein monster, sent to Japan by long-distance U-boat (those "Monsun" boats are the reality inside the fiction), but it went to Hiroshima, got nuked, and grew into a child version of the monster. All of that lunacy was covered in Frankenstein vs. Baragon; now there are two of them, gigantic, and fighting each other. Nick Adams tries to be an American scientist in Japan instead of a nightclub singer or secret agent. The Criterion Collection sees this as worthwhile schlock, and so you should too. I guess.
Below: Thanks to Mystery Science Theater 3000, years of the Internet (IMDb, blogs, etc.), the documentary Hotel Torgo, a stage musical version, and a stage version with large puppets, we know the plot of Manos: The "Hands" of Fate (1966), we know about Hal Warren the director, the weird dubbing issues because no set sound recordings were made for reference, John "Torgo" Reynolds' constant pot smoking, just a sea of stuff. But we still don't know Who or What "Manos" really was or is, and if The Master truly was "The Black and Red Moses of Soul" as Tom Servo riffed.
Bonus: The Mystery Science Theater version.
In 1964, a small, almost hand-made film hit UK theaters, It Happened Here, that asked "what would things have been like in a Nazi-occupied Britain?" Pretty much an alternate history mirror to Peter Watkins' 1966 film The War Game (which predicted the outcome of a limited nuclear war on Britain in the forthcoming future), Kevin Brownlow and Andrew Mollo focus on a single character, an Northern Irish nurse who gets sucked into a paramilitary emergency medical organization in 1944 because the English village she was living in was shot to pieces in an "anti-partisan action" and she has to go to London. From their insignia, the uniformed and armed nurse organization seems to be a branch of a victorious British Union of Fascists. Things have gotten very Vichy in this Britain, while a British branch of Aktion T4 is quietly operating. This is a horror film, whatever they say. Link to Archive dot org copy here.
Below: Peter Cushing at it again, with John Carradine along for the ride in 1977's Shock Waves, aka "The Underwater Zombie Nazi Movie In The Video Rental Store." Enough said.
Above: The infamous-in-its-time documentary Manson (1973) by Robert Hendrickson. I found it through this angry review on an "obscure movies" website years ago and it is less historical narrative of The Manson Family and the Tate-LaBianca murders that a glimpse into the worldview of the members of the group who were still at large in 1972-73. In a odd way it reminds me of Final V. U., the Captain Trips CD collection of live recordings of the last version of the Velvet Underground, when the only original member of the band left was Mo Tucker, and along with Doug Yule and his brother Billy, they put together a lineup for a bunch of concerts in America and Holland. We are witnessing the aftermath of a thing in both mediums, and while the Velvets have no illusions that what they are doing is probably short-term, the Mansonites are still lost in True Belief. For better information on Manson et. al., check out CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties (2019 )by Tom O'Neil and Dan Pipenbring.
[00:27] <geniice> This allows people to promenade along the sea front
[00:27] <geniice> "promenade" in cold blood?
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[20:59] <qpt`> [06:44:21] hi
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:44:23] oh hi KB1JWQ
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:44:25] how are you doing
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:44:55] KB1JWQ stop /msging me please
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:44:57] you rapist
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:44:57] lol
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:45:01] so anyone awake
[20:59] <killiondude> [06:45:22] Simmer down.
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:45:29] hi killiondude
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:45:30] what's up bro
[20:59] <killiondude> [06:45:36] gas prices.
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:45:41] yeah serious no fake
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:45:50] so i was reading the nigger page on wikipedia
[20:59] <qpt`> [06:45:54] you ever see it? here's hte direct link
[20:59] <FoeNyx> [07:07:13] killiondude> « i just want to know why articles like "death" exists ! It's quite offensive » said one my undead troll friend :p </halloween>
[20:59] <killiondude> [07:07:26] :-P
[20:59] <yao_ziyuan> [08:31:24] in a word such as 'place', i think there is a very short schwa between [p] and [l]. is it?
[20:59] <closedmouth> [08:42:49] probably depends on the accent
[20:59] <richardcavell> [09:13:11] yeah depends on the accent
[20:59] <richardcavell> [09:13:15] the way I pronounce it, it doesn't
[20:59] <richardcavell> [09:13:29] the l begins before the p is finished
[20:59] <geniice> [10:39:50] I see TVtropes is having money issues
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:07:00] Basicly, I'd like to bring it up to the same standard as other user namspace templates..
[20:59] <TuxFighter> [16:07:03] is the zh wiki available from china ?
[20:59] <geniice> [16:08:34] basicaly yes
[20:59] <geniice> [16:08:39] some pages are not
[20:59] <TuxFighter> [16:10:59] k that good because I want to translate
[20:59] <TuxFighter> [16:11:10] but its an unpolitical article
[20:59] <Matthewedwards> [16:11:16] Qcoder, I'm writing from my phone right now, so bear with me...
[20:59] <TuxFighter> [16:11:21] so there won´t be any problemes
[20:59] <ME|BUSY> [16:16:07] qcoder, you should put a blue exclamation mark image in it
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:16:30] ME|BUSY: Well I wasn't sure how
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:16:49] if someone can re-word and put in the right pictures - feel-free :)
[20:59] <ME|BUSY> [16:17:47] But check out image help pages and image use pages. They say thats an image with a few issues is better than none at all
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:18:06] True
[20:59] <ME|BUSY> [16:18:17] Gimp and shoop can correct most issues anyway
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:18:30] The intent of template is to help generate 'better' photos, not discourage people from uploading at all :)
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:19:26] I wanted a way to leave an uploader a note that an image had issues, but didn't want to leave something like {{Poor Quality}} on the image itself...
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:19:49] .. which might lead to a 'useful' image being FFD'd without the user knowing :(
[20:59] <ME|BUSY> [16:22:10] well thats was another thing. It seems a bit bitey, esp if I was an ameature photographer and haven't put my photos out in the public eye b4
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:23:10] Hmm
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:23:19] How to word it so it isn't BITEy
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:23:20] ?
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:23:24] Any suggestions
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:23:43] I had mind the sort of tags you used to get on stuff from the Photo lab...
[20:59] <ME|BUSY> [16:23:46] Does wikiversity or whatever it is have photo tutorials? You could link to them
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:23:52] I don't know
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:24:10] But that's what i had mind with the ... Please consider reading ...
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:24:19] (I didn't know where to link it to though...
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:24:21] )
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:26:21] I won't use the template until it's ready though
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:26:37] But would appreciate someone other than me rewording it :)
[20:59] <ME|BUSY> [16:26:59] Leave me a note on my talkpage, Ill look when I get home to a compute
[20:59] <ME|BUSY> [16:27:50] I think the graphics lab has tutorials, too
[20:59] <Qcoder00> [16:29:04] Your talk page being?
[20:59] <Lubaf> [16:29:21] Well, then. I've had two Square Root Of Minus Garfield strips accepted.
[20:59] <ME|BUSY> [16:30:08] Sorry, didn't realise I has switched to a different nick
[20:59] <Blarumyrran> [17:49:10] Hello. Why are, in many biographic articles, year numbers and ages used intermittently for events in the person's life? It makes the text horrible to read.
[20:59] <RandomTime> [17:53:22] that sounds like something that should be standard
[20:59] <Blarumyrran> [17:54:32] It should be standard that they're used intermittently, or it should be standardized into either ages or year numbers?
[20:59] <variable> [18:53:47] what is that extension that generates a map
[20:59] <variable> [18:53:55] of what wikipedia pages you read?
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[21:41] <insane_kangaroo> [01:40:57] I'm an open carrier, and the last part should be removed or needs citation and was curious what I should do?
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[21:42] <insane_kangaroo> "It is important to note, a carry permit will only exempt a person from this federal law in the State that physically issued the permit." <-- I've never known any case law for this, also there is the issue of "reciprocal" agreements between states.
